Memory and its relation to Physical space - Part 2, page 5

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Posted: 3 years ago
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V ke ek dialogue ne sabko pareshaan kiya hai...

Ki "mujhe us kamre main Sai ke saath ghootan hoti hai"


Purely from an architectural point of view...

A post on why this is not so wrong to feel.


SaiRat have consummated the marriage in the room (the shed was a creative liberty). They have planned and thought of the baby in that room... have spent several loving moments of togetherness in that room (that's what we got to see from the flashbacks)


So now having lost the baby, the feeling of incompleteness is taking over.

With this in mind, what V says is not entirely wrong.


In Architecture, we are taught to create spaces that people associate themselves with. It is a physical space tied to human emotions.

If you ask yourselves what's your favorite place in the house, everyone has a particular corner, a piece of furniture, a time of day with a good memory associated to it. we reminisce about it. That's our comfort zone. When we shift houses, that stays with us for long.


An architect makes a house, the people living in it make it a home.


Similarly, if you are asked to remember fond memories of childhood, there are usually some moments spent in grandparents house, exploring the house, playing hide and seek with the cousins, in the courtyards and gardens. Again a physical space with an associated memory.


On the other hand, wrongly designed spaces give bad feelings, or spaces tied to bad memory.

A badly lit area feels insecure to walk around. We are always on alert mode when passing through that area which is also time dependent because it may be perfectly alright during the day.

Tight spaces, dingy spaces feel claustrophobic.

That's the whole connection of space to memory.


If its with another individual or group of individuals its called collective memory in social sciences.

Think of a music fest attended with friends, a vacation with family and friends...

Or memories for people who suffered migration, war and hate. (Think partition or Auschwitz)

A particular building in your town that served as a landmark and something that you miss when its demolished.


One of my Professors had said once... that if you design a house for an artist and if another person with no interest in arts feels comfortable living in that house, has no complaints.... then your design has failed.


In this sense, V feeling awkward and hurt to be in that room is understandable to me. Because he wants to remember only good memories about the baby and enjoying that journey with Sai (which he mentioned to Ninad). but with the loss and no possibility of it reoccurring in future.... V is broken. he doesn't know how to deal with it and feels guilty. Part of it was addressed in the conversation but it should have been explored more. Like his guilt should be shown more. About not being able to protect Sai and the baby when he could have.


Another reference is V has already said this to Sai. He feels ghootan around her. In post landmine accident. But at that time, he was feeling suffocated in the relationship. It was getting too overbearing for him. But that resolved as soon as Sai confessed.


This time the possibility of not having a child ever is not going to be resolved as of now. So the feeling of frustration is not going away .. ever. Even if they get pregnant later on and Sai delivers a healthy baby... or surrogacy or adoption... This will always be a loss.


They have shown that this home means a lot to V. Which is why he has never thought of leaving the house with Sai (even though the FD wants it).. for him to have a bad memory in that house one after another is reason enough for a break down.


Infact the makers failed at this again. Instead of V, Sai should have been the one to say I cannot live in this room... After Jagtap tried to assault her in their bedroom and on their conjugal bed. But as always Sai ka pain is brushed off and we get only V.. that too as an afterthought. The dialogue seemed to me to be placed to pacify audience and sympathize with V. And to fit the narrative of the future track.

Up until the confession, Sai had not considered the room as her own, she even said to him "Ye aapka kamra hai, aapne mujhe bas thode din ke liye rehne diya hai". Which is why except few instances even Aaba's photoframe is in her cupboard. It is only now that she has placed it above her study table.


I am happy though that he confessed this to Ninad, if not Sai.... definitely better than P or anyone else.

Sometimes, it is better to share your feelings to an impartial person... Ninad knows both of them, cares for both of them and has been comforting to both. (I feel the slight wave he gave to Sai when leaving is a hint to this, Sai had asked him to talk to V since he is not talking to her). V has always been shown as a person who holds it within himself... even his love which he took so much time to express... in that sense, Sai's loss is bigger than him. But how will he console and support her when he himself has not come to terms with it? and being with her in that room with all those toys and objects around him, its difficult for him.


P.S... this is not a post to approve of V's behaviour to Sai or a justification of it... It is my understanding of why he felt so. To me, V has always been impulsive and emotionally weak in comparison to Sai. She might be young but she is emotionally mature.

Sam knew this.... hence he asked her to take care of everyone and V.


Also, Sam took a vaada from Sai not from V.... because he knows she can deal with this. To V his guilt is limited to not being able to save Sam. For Sai, her guilt is overpowered by the need to be strong and stoic and face everything because that's the dying promise she gave to Sam.

I have said this earlier, will say it again.... Sai is the alpha of the relationship.


P.P.S - there's another aspect called Material memory.... memories associated with physical objects ... something that can be seen in memorial museums. There's a very moving book by an author called Aanchal Malhotra called "Remnants of Separation" on 1947 partition and the objects the refugees carried with them when they crossed the border. She has taken interviews from the last surviving generation who experienced this and have kept those objects still with them.

Its poignant and its heartbreaking. If anyone is interested.... please give it a read.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Very beautifully written ❤️

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Posted: 3 years ago
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An excerpt from the book "Remnants of Separation"


Edit: My fav story and the passage.

This woman has travelled to Lahore where she meets a shopkeeper born and brought up in Jalandhar Punjab. Author uses names prevalent at the time. As a homage again to preserve the memory of how they spelt it then.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Such a meaningful interpretation of this dialogue. Brilliant post moor👏👏👏👏.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Beautifully written..

Agree with your each word..

Sai's pain and trauma is never addressed.. First rape and child loss due to mental stress.. Too much to take for any human..

I always this show should end because it's too triggering for all age level..they are keep on showing evil winning against goodness..

Rono also paid for his deed by living a lonely life.. Here they have written off Sai's chances of conceiving..

All the potential tracks are gone..

Though I agree with the line even if they get a child through surrogacy or sai conceives this loss is too much for the couple.. Virat yet again failed sai..

They put yesterday dialogue for Virat from the twitter.. 😆it was to justify his act and virakhi cringe..🤢

Writers don't have enough sanity to write something sensible

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Posted: 3 years ago
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True.... but I dont think they will show written off...


they are hevay on superstitions.... will someday show that by some miracle Sai conceived again... had a baby.


the first doctor even said, her body is weak right now. Ash explained to BK too... let her recover... which is an advice any doctor would give in normal circumstances.


Here the rush it making it weird... had it been paced out... itna ajeeb nahi lagta

ye dialouge bhi usi liye daala hai... to link with future track whichever direction they go

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Posted: 3 years ago
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I will read this book .

I agree with everything.. that you are saying . The issue is they never address Sai ka issues .

Even anu aunty gets to vent out her trauma .. but Sai has to smile through her pain ..har ghar Kuch Kehta hai


What you are saying it happens .. but the issue is creatives never think this through.. this miscarriage should not have been brought so jerkily …now they are adding flashbacks.. but it is only adding poignancy .

They could have shown Sai n virat trying to rebuild their lives .. with the incoming Baby .. trying to make everyone happy .. pakhi ke sath altercation could have happened after 2-3 weeks .. during some other Puja for samrat .. when they showed Sai is 3-4 months pregnant.. anyways that would have been sadder ..


what’s done is done …they are trying to portray that virat had a lot of dreams for this baby which got destroyed .. we are more connected than audience I am not sure daily tv audience will feel that much .. they will feel he is just doing nautanki.


It’s a very tight rope and the ghum creatives have the sensitivity of a rhinoceros…just like they washed over samrat ka death .. they will wash over this trauma too and show Sai suddenly pregnant., and them dancing around

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Couldn't share my fav excerpt.

Here's a link to the authors insta page

The book maybe in different name out of India. Check her profile.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CCyOR44Harz/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Beautiful post as usual ❤️ And I agree with everything 💯

Though I haven’t watched the episodes, I did forsee this. If u read the teaser I sent u, I did mention it. Though I didn’t mention on why. And this somewhat the peripheral of what I intended.

Will comment more in detail on this post of yours shortly. Reserving the space here.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Wonderfully penned aspects!

Thank u so much for the tag!❤️

Reading that Virat said this line ,I felt bad but after going through this post u changed my whole perspective abt that dialogue!

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