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Originally posted by: asmi_joya

Virat is very real. Loving one day and so dangerous the other, throwing things when angry, blaming it on the other. I have seen it for a while now, exactly same and he is so convincing because he appears as a good man, while he has his own issues. The equations , the conduct , the behaviour is so similar. Someone I know comes from a very weak family, has very low regards for her father, so him giving her pep talks one day, being with her in her career and the attacking her for being clicked with a fellow male colleague , it all works for her. At a young age he is an influential figure in her life. By establishing such people as male lead, by getting them justified without punishment and just a sorry, makers allow these woman to justify it all in their head. I have the understanding to separate it, these women dont. Virat is not a rich arrogant business man, he is shown to be a man who studies well, achieved well on his own merits and then he is also this person who has the tendency to abuse his wife, even after he is the one who has the responsibility to protect women around. Just because he regrets makes Sai fee special till his next bout of anger, is justifying it all. I expect certain degree of responsibility from makers there... Because establishing this Virat and not the one who married her, in Sai's life they take away a lot that she could become. I feel bad when Sai justifies his abuse 'Virat sir ne gusse mei kar diya tha, wo bure nahi hain'. And then he did so much for me, exactly what this person I am talking about says and she also watched this show and brings up how a strong woman like Sai also understand her husband's love. WTF exactly.

ANd thats where I dislike the character Virat. . Nothing to do with NB and his personal life. I dont like him true, not anymore, but for his conduct. In general I find him and Aishwarya very close personality vise and I like their jodi.

Yes all ITV shows are regressive. But they are trying to break out of it at this age, by calling the wrong wrong or atleast showing a redemption phase, whats with being all egoistic about it all. One sorry does not do away the months of abuse. Makers are going wrong there, if they want to show Sairat together they need to tone it down and not come out with wrong examples. Forget the abuse part. How is it fine and okay a for a man to not even feel guilty about staying with another woman, changing clothes around her and blaming the wife all along for misunderstanding. Again the shows have been regressive, but at least you know that's fictional like how its not possible for you to be with a man like those rich arrogant Business tycoons. You know there is a random chance. BUt it is possible and its happening around, to find a man like Virat. He is seen as the most eligible bachelor. Educated, IPS, government job, naami khaandan...He is so from the real world.. Who is ready to let his family go with all the abuse they met on their young ambitious DIL in the name of being conservative and joint family and expect her to understand, learn and set in, even after himself being an IPS officer.

That is where I say, these two characters are real and them being together, is wrong. This is promoting a toxic marriage, in the name of them being star crossed lover. Plus there is no graph of improvement. Its as simple as that.. If they wanted it to be that way, the lovers ,the star crossed ones, they should have toned it down and I did think they would when they introduced Mimo track , but then it all was a sham. They are going low with it, not showing good moments b/w Sai and Virat , skipping the good family moments, the lighter moment, gaslight audience with scenes like changing clothes around the other woman , keeping less physical distance and then will end up showing oh they are lovers and meant to be with each other, to find him another zimmedaari.

Just the other day, during first accident track another friend was talking about how she meets young girls , teenage orphan girls who get affected by such shows, because again Sai and Virat are so real. She works there in the orphanage and have seen accepting abuse just because they get attached to the love they get once in a while. One reason she stopped watching the show and how she hates men like Virat, because she has again seen them influencing young , vulnerable minds. Manipulating them by naming it all love.

Agree with everything here. Can I make the red parts in capital letters?

I hated Devi's superstition about Virat and Sai. Aai n Virat using it to make Sai return to CN was rubbish (dont want to use harsh words here). Aai n Kaku is old school but Virat believing it doesnt make sense to me. He was just using it as an excuse to convince her to return home. Sai doesnt care anymore if anything happens to her, but relented because she doesnt want anything wrong to happen to him. She had almost stepped out of the cycle but fell back into it. But MiMo track was such a good addition to the story. He used to use the word like zimmedari n guardian to show her dependency on him or his power on her. Now, they are on equal footing as friends. He told her to not change n focus on studies, n leave the family 'demands' on him. I felt maybe he is 'progressing'. But now it all went down the drain.

Virat we are seeing in this track is not something new. We have seen all these traits before. He expects blind trust from Sai when he has given enough reason to not trust him. He forgets all her good traits n good things she had done for him n the family when she behaves opposite of what he expects. He makes a narrative of him being the good cop n Sai the bad cop. If Sai doesnt stand up against this now, she will go back into a real marriage where the cycle will be harder to break. There needs to be a proper introspection n progression in Virat's character.

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

Yes she was.

Truly is it not the classic case of abuse, where the woman is made to believe the reason for a man's anger leading to abuse is her nature.

A classic case of Stockholm syndrome where she is made to feel , she is difficult to live with and then eventually she is made by the same man belief, oh you are my world. you know..

I think now she is just left to being confident about her dreams and her academic brilliance, a few more years of it , even that would go away...

True

Though they have made a joke of Virat of being an IPS, still saving her from jagtap or now from sada (here he is the reason), is part of his duty..GC was his first posting as ACP, but counting this also as a favour as opposed to duty while forgetting that her dad lost his life while saving him. Giving vaada to him, marrying the girl, proposing deal marriage and deciding it's terms, trying to always remain the dominating one, providing her basic necessities, shelter and food and counting them as favours is too low.

Never standing for her self respect but always comparing her with her characterless ex...if he was there for her, she would not have faced that abuse from his family but Virat has very loose character to actually do what is right, he is always busy in portraying a different picture.

Not letting her enjoy her college life, make friends is another.

That was sai who was shown strong headed and fierce that she survived and got gold medal despite everything, if it were anyone else, she would have given up was early...now this strength of character is admirable but that gives another bad lesson, that if a person like Sai can adjust, we can too.

A lesson, a person could look perfect from the outside, like Virat did to Kamal sir but you would know their real self only when you see them closely.

I would have definitely given my views on it but no the showw is not worth it anymore. The actors , the characters,the makers are just having a gala time . Getting paid for doing nothing.

I so wish this show goes off air soon. They have no shame at all.

P.s; I don't include ayesha singh in whatever I spoke rn.

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Originally posted by: Archishakashyap

I would have definitely given my views on it but no the showw is not worth it anymore. The actors , the characters,the makers are just having a gala time . Getting paid for doing nothing.

I so wish this show goes off air soon. They have no shame at all.

P.s; I don't include ayesha singh in whatever I spoke rn.

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If I would not have instances in my life where I related to the situation , to characters, because of personal experience, I would have left talking about the show long bak. I dont watch it though, but yeah forum is spoiling me..Need to stop visiting.

Actually this is one of the most realistic shows that’s why it is so popular.. the toxicity is there all around us .. and people who are facing can analyse it .. and see what happens .. nobody in the right mind can say Sai is happy .. we are disturbed by it ..

the very fact we are constantly talking about this show .. the message is hitting home .. how they are toxic guys all around us .. and we need to be aware . It’s red flagging us

The good part is they are not candy flossing it what virat has done with Sai .. and is also playing the victim is what 99% of the abusers do .. they don’t think what they have done to their wife is wrong ..Infact they keep on harping their sorry state to their new women .. and try to lull them into a relationship.. even shruti has started playing the victim they both are covertly getting attached to each other .. ..

Agreed. 100% but I cannot handle the acting and so it's became so so so hectic for me to watch. I lost interest and now the show for me is a time waste.

Kudos to the people watching it still.

Originally posted by: msin

Actually this is one of the most realistic shows that’s why it is so popular.. the toxicity is there all around us .. and people who are facing can analyse it .. and see what happens .. nobody in the right mind can say Sai is happy .. we are disturbed by it ..

the very fact we are constantly talking about this show .. the message is hitting home .. how they are toxic guys all around us .. and we need to be aware . It’s red flagging us

The good part is they are not candy flossing it what virat has done with Sai .. and is also playing the victim is what 99% of the abusers do .. they don’t think what they have done to their wife is wrong ..Infact they keep on harping their sorry state to their new women .. and try to lull them into a relationship.. even shruti has started playing the victim they both are covertly getting attached to each other .. ..

Yes, my problem is how its romanticised and Virat is being made into a good caring and understanding husband. You see Shruti said the same to him. So that is where it all goes wrong. He might be a good person for people who are not close to him, but he cant be a good husband. For long his abuse has been justified in the name of extremity, on how his love is extreme and so is his anger towards just one person , but that again is not just true. It takes Sai to be in trouble for him to realise that she is important. This is not a good relationship, every time I see Sai getting manipulated to thinking he is not wrong in being angry, I feel so frustrated as a human being.

I am remembering a friend of mine who was will get into fight if someone doesn't agree with her views even with our teachers and principal..got married within 2 months after graduation who now also continues to study even after having a child..her marriage is going to complete 3yrs this year

When I met her after 6 months of marriage she said to me...if I become this much calm then what about you all...she was not at all the person I knew in my college...she said the responsibility and relationships will change you...whatever you do there will be an inner feeling it is not your home but your husbands ...and there was another girl married into my locality quite elder to me to whom groom's family promised her to continue study after marriage and later denied....her parents advised her to hear her husband family as they don't want to spoil her marital life...now she is a housewife ....

Most of the girls how much educated or having job doesn't want the tag of divorcee....and there was also a girl who left her husband at the day of marriage even before first night who was a naval officer....and later got re-married...

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

Yes, my problem is how its romanticised and Virat is being made into a good caring and understanding husband. You see Shruti said the same to her. So that is where it all goes wrong. He might be a good person for people who are not close to him, but he cant be a good husband. FOr long his abuse has been justified in the name of extremity, on how his love is extreme and so is his anger towards just one person , but that again is not just true. It takes Sai to be in trouble for him to realise that she is important. This is not a good relationship, everytime I see Sai getting manipulated to thinking he is not wrong in being angry, I feel so frustrated as a human being.

See this is what happens in real life .. a good father may not be a good husband.. he might be a wife beater .. abusers hide under various cloaks ..they maybe man on woman ( not gender specific )

I want to go back in KD ( since that is my axiom point ) and add a few dialogues when shruti had gone to emon 1 day before her death .. she gave a lot of gyan to her .. how mahan Rono is .. basically she selfishly wanted her son to be mothered by emon .. emon fell in her trap .. she should have told shruti ..I know R did not do this because he was in love with you .. he did it because he likes being mahan .. it suits his ego . To play god .. so long I was the young poor girl from sundarpur .. he loved playing god with me .. the day I started becoming independent.. you became his new muse .. somebody to protect , to nurture

It suited his ego to hurt his family to protect you . When any professional help could have done this . Today you want me to protect ur son . That’s why you are acting good ..what if you had survived .. also .. don’t worry Rono won’t cry for you .. the day you die .. you will easily get replaced by the next needy beggar girl dying outside his door .. now worry what kind of mother figure she will be to your son .

if emon had said this to shruti I would have loved it m

second dialog I wanted to add in KD was .. when Rono was guarding her house in ujaan pur .. the next day when he apologises to her in the boat ..after witnessing child birth ..emon should have told him ..you are a very good man .. you care a lot for people .. you can give ur life for them .. but you are a bad policeman you cannot separate ur self from getting involved with your clients .. third you are a terrible terrible husband .. you were not there with me at my weakest moment .. you abused me thorough out my child bearing state. You are a terrible father you did not prioritise your child over others

so I will only involve you in my life as a good person .. keep you at a distance .. the door is closed for you to enter as a husband or father ..

Third I would have wanted emon to tell Rono .. keep away from me .. no need to watch over me .. as I need to build a new life .. I don’t want you hovering in my life as RK does in yours .. let me try giving myself and my kid a chance to get a new man in our lives .. if shruti n michhil could get a better man .. why can’t I hope for a better future .