Lets talk, because here on there is not much, for non Sairat fans.

Virat is very real. Loving one day and so dangerous the other, throwing things when angry, blaming it on the other. I have seen it for a while now, exactly same and he is so convincing because he appears as a good man, while he has his own issues. The equations , the conduct , the behaviour is so similar. Someone I know comes from a very weak family, has very low regards for her father, so him giving her pep talks one day, being with her in her career and the attacking her for being clicked with a fellow male colleague , it all works for her. At a young age he is an influential figure in her life. By establishing such people as male lead, by getting them justified without punishment and just a sorry, makers allow these woman to justify it all in their head. I have the understanding to separate it, these women dont. Virat is not a rich arrogant business man, he is shown to be a man who studies well, achieved well on his own merits and then he is also this person who has the tendency to abuse his wife, even after he is the one who has the responsibility to protect women around. Just because he regrets makes Sai fee special till his next bout of anger, is justifying it all. I expect certain degree of responsibility from makers there... Because establishing this Virat and not the one who married her, in Sai's life they take away a lot that she could become. I feel bad when Sai justifies his abuse 'Virat sir ne gusse mei kar diya tha, wo bure nahi hain'. And then he did so much for me, exactly what this person I am talking about says and she also watched this show and brings up how a strong woman like Sai also understand her husband's love. WTF exactly.

ANd thats where I dislike the character Virat. . Nothing to do with NB and his personal life. I dont like him true, not anymore, but for his conduct. In general I find him and Aishwarya very close personality vise and I like their jodi.

Yes all ITV shows are regressive. But they are trying to break out of it at this age, by calling the wrong wrong or atleast showing a redemption phase, whats with being all egoistic about it all. One sorry does not do away the months of abuse. Makers are going wrong there, if they want to show Sairat together they need to tone it down and not come out with wrong examples. Forget the abuse part. How is it fine and okay a for a man to not even feel guilty about staying with another woman, changing clothes around her and blaming the wife all along for misunderstanding. Again the shows have been regressive, but at least you know that's fictional like how its not possible for you to be with a man like those rich arrogant Business tycoons. You know there is a random chance. BUt it is possible and its happening around, to find a man like Virat. He is seen as the most eligible bachelor. Educated, IPS, government job, naami khaandan...He is so from the real world.. Who is ready to let his family go with all the abuse they mett on their young ambitious DIL in the name of being conservative and joint family and expect her to understand, learn and settle in, even after himself being an IPS officer.

That is where I say, these two characters are real and them being together, is wrong. This is promoting a toxic marriage, in the name of them being star crossed lovers. Plus there is no graph of improvement. Its as simple as that.. If they wanted it to be that way, the lovers ,the star crossed ones, they should have toned it down and I did think they would when they introduced Mimo track , but then it all was a sham. They are going low with it, not showing good moments b/w Sai and Virat , skipping the good family moments, the lighter moment, gaslight audience with scenes like changing clothes around the other woman , keeping less physical distance and then will end up showing oh they are lovers and meant to be with each other, to find him another zimmedaari.

Just the other day, during first accident track another friend was talking about how she meets young girls , teenage orphan girls who get affected by such shows, because again Sai and Virat are so real. She works there in the orphanage and have seen accepting abuse just because they get attached to the love they get once in a while. One reason she stopped watching the show and how she hates men like Virat, because she has again seen them influencing young , vulnerable minds. Manipulating them by naming it all love.

I agree with you .. asmi … I used to like the show initially because it is quite real .. unfortunate but real but the amount of toxicity they are showing is also real .. so they can take a leaf out of the book and show Sai the way to break the shackles

I am very very happy they are following the path in tamarind and they did the same in Anu aunty show ..

what virat is doing is not out of the world .. there are many men who set up parallel house with other ladies and justify it with various reasons .. and they expect the family n their wife to accept the fait accompli ..

there are many women like shruti who get involved with their husbands friends just because they have been sympathetic to them at the start ..

The only positive way out is Sai not accepting him back .. there are many many ways to make Sai rat the end game .. show what they could not show properly in KD .. the separation.. let Sai n virat have separate lives away from each other .. after 4-5 years when they meet .. the can introspect where they went wrong ..

what I really want in the diversion from KD .. is that there has to be another male figure in her life who is not platonic . Even if they have a 6 month separation.. another man has to be in her life who is well placed and young .. like what they have shown in tamarind ..

Tamarind was a very very regressive show .. even though the actors are all better than Ghum .. but still bigamy is so so bad ..

The hero has married both the girls and was living for a significant time with the second older one ( so how is her right on this man wrong ) when she married him she was unaware of his marital status .. and heroine herself agreed to it and attended the wedding..

but they are changing the status quo .. well done makers 👍👍

Originally posted by: msin

I agree with you .. asmi … I used to like the show initially because it is quite real .. unfortunate but real but the amount of toxicity they are showing is also real .. so they can take a leaf out of the book and show Sai the way to break the shackles

I am very very happy they are following the path in tamarind and they did the same in Anu aunty show ..

what virat is doing is not out of the world .. there are many men who set up parallel house with other ladies and justify it with various reasons .. and they expect the family n their wife to accept the fait accompli ..

there are many women like shruti who get involved with their husbands friends just because they have been sympathetic to them at the start ..

The only positive way out is Sai not accepting him back .. there are many many ways to make Sai rat the end game .. show what they could not show properly in KD .. the separation.. let Sai n virat have separate lives away from each other .. after 4-5 years when they meet .. the can introspect where they went wrong ..

what I really want in the diversion from KD .. is that there has to be another male figure in her life who is not platonic . Even if they have a 6 month separation.. another man has to be in her life who is well placed and young .. like what they have shown in tamarind ..

Tamarind was a very very regressive show .. even though the actors are all better than Ghum .. but still bigamy is so so bad ..

The hero has married both the girls and was living for a significant time with the second older one ( so how is her right on this man wrong ) when she married him she was unaware of his marital status .. and heroine herself agreed to it and attended the wedding..

but they are changing the status quo .. well done makers 👍👍

This is important in order to understand that when Virat abuses her even in anger and later apologises to her , it's not normal..it's not okay. Men do not abuse women in anger.

Again I would be up for 3-4 years of separation where both realise where they went wrong.. Sai kept going on with her zidd about the deal and Virat well uska koi hisaab nahi hai.

At this point I don't see this story to be Sairat love story. It's romanticizing all forms of violence women go through and accept. Just one other show was depicting how a man asked another coworker to not be with her abusive husband and she said he might abuse me in anger but loves me a lot..the most in the world..there they don't justify it..here we have SK now justifying it.. This girl Sai who wanted to leave the house after mirchi kaand has been made to accept it all in the name of gussa..and that is why I sat she will not grow with this man around...Nd Virat would keep playing saviours to all the women out there and abuse the one at home. This is dangerous message because there are couples like that in real world. It kind of gets me uncomfortable when I come across such dialogues and Virat crying after abusing her..

The woman I talked about would get the same treatment ..abuse...then the man crying..apologising..harming self and then get back to bestowing her with gifts..outings..good physical love and then again the next round. She did tell me once...that after that fight which mostly consisted abuse..him throwing things around... Shouting...manhandling..not beating though..the love is great.. and she told he is so much better than my father..my father did not want me to study because he had 3 more daughters to marry off ..you see where i M coming from???

True, as you said it's wrong but happens...they were real, that is why we got hooked to them and the show...not superficial like Ekta kapoor serials. However, now they are toxic and this amount of toxicity in a primetime show done by the ML on his FL means justifying it...i get it how and why Virat plays victim, how he keeps on projecting things on Sai but i also understand that he is a typical villain type material to be shown on TV... like vanraj in anupama or Aditya in imlie. I remember how people shipped Adilie, i never watched that show because can't tolerate bigamy but then they got a new ML and showed what's wrong is wrong.

Originally posted by: nikita05

True, as you said it's wrong but happens...they were real, that is why we got hooked to them and the show...not superficial like Ekta kapoor serials. However, now they are toxic and this amount of toxicity in a primetime show done by the ML on his FL means justifying it...i get it how and why Virat plays victim, how he keeps on projecting things on Sai but i also understand that he is a typical villain type material to be shown on TV... like vanraj in anupama or Aditya in imlie. I remember how people shipped Adilie, i never watched that show because can't tolerating bigamy but then they got a new ML and showed what's wrong is wrong.

I mean a woman like Shruti or Pakhi can have a story with him, I honestly believe not Shruti as well, they butchered her... But a woman like Sai cannot. She just cannot, it curbs her spirits, her belief in herself and her righteous mind.

And also if Virat's righteousness lies in serving besahara women, without letting his wife know, a wife like Sai makes it difficult for him. I think they are better off without each other. They are not going out with the right message. There is a reason why Rangeela show did not work, when they made a good man into a villain overnight, just in order to have the good chemistry couple together, irrespective of the moral and decorum of marriage being broken, at the expense of an independent women. DOnt start with a real story, when you want to show toxicity to this extent.

True Asmi.

The basic premise is Sai is so attached to him because she has no family. And he took her under his wings when noone was ready to. That doesn't have to turn to love.

If they are not going to deviate from KD plus add cringe with both Pakhi and Shruti, subtract from Sairat, what is the point?

I want a third angle for a bit to show Sai she is worth loving, a person who accepts her for what she is.

But the team doesn't care, that much is clear.

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

I mean a woman like Shruti or Pakhi can have a story with him, I honestly believe not Shruti as well, they butchered her... But a woman like Sai cannot. She just cannot, it curbs her spirits, her belief in herself and her righteous mind.

Yep, the way she has started believing that she is difficult to live with, that Virat's abuse or EMA is because of her, or that she is not beautiful as Pakhi...the same sai who had so much confidence with aaba, now feels she is not good enough.

Ek to they promote so much victim shaming...

Pakhi was ideal one for a person like Virat.

Yes it's real.. Let me give you a real story.. It happened probably before I was born..This guy my grand fathers colleague who portrayed a picture of happy married life infrony of everyone.. Since his family was my grand parents neighbor aswell so they knew everything.. That man treated his wife like princes compare to all the other men at that age..Everyone used to be awe at them.. One day to everyone shock the dreaded truth came out in front of the world that the guy was having another secret family..Dont even ask what happened to all his kids after he passed away..See Your deeds also affects your next generation..

Ghum should stop romanticising virat's actions by justifying with soul connection etc etc..What happened to that lady was in 19th century.. So his wife willfully accepted his deeds.. Now women are more intelligent and more confident.. Whatever Sai is tolerating cannot be termed as love or so called soul connection...Virat is not pardonable just because he can't think of any other woman but sai..His deeds are not acceptable just because he is possessive about Sai..Makers should stop romanticising his actions in the name of love or soul connection..

I liked where sai bai says "Becoming a doctor is more important than becoming someone's wife".

Originally posted by: nikita05

Yep, the way she has started believing that she is difficult to live with, that Virat's abuse or EMA is because of her, or that she is not beautiful as Pakhi...the same sai who had so much confidence with aaba, now feels she is not good enough.

Ek to they promote so much victim shaming...

Pakhi was ideal one for a person like Virat.

Yes she was.

Truly is it not the classic case of abuse, where the woman is made to believe the reason for a man's anger leading to abuse is her nature.

A classic case of Stockholm syndrome where she is made to feel , she is difficult to live with and then eventually she is made by the same man belief, oh you are my world. you know..

I think now she is just left to being confident about her dreams and her academic brilliance, a few more years of it , even that would go away...

Originally posted by: Shaome

Yes it's real.. Let me give you a real story.. It happened probably before I was born..This guy my grand fathers colleague who portrayed a picture of happy married life infrony of everyone.. Since his family was my grand parents neighbor aswell so they knew everything.. That man treated his wife like princes compare to all the other men at that age..Everyone used to be awe at them.. One day to everyone shock the dreaded truth came out in front of the world that the guy was having another secret family..Dont even ask what happened to all his kids after he passed away..See Your deeds also affects your next generation..

Ghum should romanticising virat's actions by justifying with soul connection etc etc..What happened to that lady was in 19th century.. So his wife willfully accepted his deeds.. Now women are more intelligent and more confident.. Whatever Sai is tolerating cannot be termed as love or so called soul connection...Virat is not pardonable just because he can't think of any other woman but sai..His deeds are not acceptable just because he is possessive about Sai..Makers should stop romanticising his actions in the name of love or soul connection..

I liked where sai bai says "Becoming a doctor is more important than becoming someone's wife".

And thats where it gets even more dangerous and complex. Because Virat is again the new age MCP, who would support his wife in her career , in her studies. The chauvinist part of him is there behind a lot of garbs, that comes out in a very specific situation , inside the closed doors.