Pakhi and manhandling - Page 3

Originally posted by: sammy17

I agree that there is partial blame towards the actress of the presentation of pakhi character due to her poor acting, especially given how well and adequately every other actor in the show performs their parts, but clearly the director and writers have created this character differently from the originals in some aspect.

Since I have seen the Tamil version, it’s just the same. But they have given extra screenspace to her in the sense added more scenes for her compared to the original. Yes the writers and directors have to do a better job at getting what they want from the actor.

Originally posted by: notaquitter

Since I have seen the Tamil version, it’s just the same. But they have given extra screenspace to her in the sense added more scenes for her compared to the original. Yes the writers and directors have to do a better job at getting what they want from the actor.

They need to explain the character properly to her.. I feel they are lacking there.. till the time she doesn’t accept that her character is negative it won’t work....

Originally posted by: sammy17

Dear the issue is, that it isn't just that the actress who is portraying the character wrong, but it is very clear both the writers and director have created this character in a different way from the originals. The writers and directors are the one who dictate their expectations of how the actor should present the character in each scene in order to display the required emotions and intentions of the character as intended. Here it seems the way the actress portrays pakhi as this boisterous, sour-faced and whiny woman who always loves to play victim card and claim she is being attacked and humiliated even when that is not the case is just how the hindi version character has been written.

You brought nice points, but I haven't watched other versions to know what Pakhi's character should be like. I am judging her from only what I watch on screen. If this is what the director wants then its strange because they continue about her being "sushil" , "sanskari" in better world "poised", but her actions are nothing like poised. Do you think that is what director wants? Sushil looking like boisterous? I personally feel the actress naturally has an out loud personality which comes across on screen as well, Neil is so good at coming in to calm character and doesn't loose his composure to his natural out loud personality when Virat gets angry.

Even Karishma and Ushamausi's characters convey their dialogues with justifying body language, voice modulation, expressions and other acting nuances, but Pakhi is the only character that doesn't have it.

Originally posted by: methebest

You brought nice points, but I haven't watched other versions to know what Pakhi's character should be like. I am judging her from only what I watch on screen. If this is what the director wants then its strange because they continue about her being "sushil" , "sanskari" in better world "poised", but her actions are nothing like poised. Do you think that is what director wants? Sushil looking like boisterous? I personally feel the actress naturally has an out loud personality which comes across on screen as well, Neil is so good at coming in to calm character and doesn't loose his composure to his natural out loud personality when Virat gets angry.

Even Karishma and Ushamausi's characters convey their dialogues with justifying body language, voice modulation, expressions and other acting nuances, but Pakhi is the only character that doesn't have it.

I saw a few episodes of KD yesterday and the actress playing roopkatha (pakhi) was superb like her expression, her attitude screen presence etc was fantastic!

Originally posted by: Svt611

I saw a few episodes of KD yesterday and the actress playing roopkatha (pakhi) was superb like her expression, her attitude screen presence etc was fantastic!

I heard lot of people say this, but I don't understand Bengali, so haven't tried watching it.

Originally posted by: Svt611

They need to explain the character properly to her.. I feel they are lacking there.. till the time she doesn’t accept that her character is negative it won’t work....

24 k Golden Words!!👏

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

This attribute is not chauvinism..what i meant was he has traits of chauvinism..

I understood that but I still don't think so.

Asking Sai to endure the torchure meted on her in the name of household chores , accepting it a challenge thrown by ghar ke bade is chauvinism..Expecting an 18-19 year old girl who is aspiring to become a doctor to do household work is chauvinism..

Hmm, it is more to do with their household practice. He doesn't want another conflict in his house by bringing in a new trend or questioning why should Sai work, he can also work. You might not see him fighting for it directly.

Whether she wants to become a doctor or anything else, doing household work is not incorrect or chauvinism. As he had once pointed out, she would have had to do her own work in hostel too or if she was living alone.

He took tea for her saying if she is studying why he cannot serve his wife.

The day the vase fell, he picked up the pieces and never asked her to, she moved to bed to study. Just like how some can misunderstand Sai that she is being so selfish that she was only studying and not helping him, some misunderstand Virat too.

I think they are failing to show such instances that will show a better light on his character.

The makers should use their creativity in building up a character, as much as they showed us about Sai, they haven't shown about Virat. ITV and FL obsession.

Accepting challenge to win his family's heart not to do household work. That was anyway stupid and doesn't make sense.

He just doesn't understand his family well and is also not willing to accept that they are the worst people.

It is his family, good or bad, he is not going to. Many people face this kind of a situation. They are stuck between family and spouse, be it men or women.

Asking her to not participate in a dance competition because he is plain jealous and then entering his ex's room who also is his Vehni..is chauvinism and hypocrisy..

That was idiotic. In his jealousy, he had lost it. I don't deny that he acted unreasonable but that was his emotions overpowering him. That was the very first time he felt that way.

Though he felt jealous and insecured during Amay's incident, he knew and heard from her how much she despised that guy.

But hearing praise about some other guy from her mouth, that was the first time. He has never heard her praising him, never ever. Sp he couldn't tolerate. Also she has never had anyone else in her life. It was all of a sudden. You remember what flashes his mind when he was at the police station the next day, his stupid brain thought that Sai started dancing and the happiness on her face was because of that guy Aniket. He couldn't tolerate that the guy managed fo bring a smile, happiness and made her dance all of a sudden.

Simply possessive. Hope he contains it as time passes by, once he realises her feelings for him.

Funnily and sadly too, he always has Pakhi and this guy couldn't take that one time 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️😂. He has no clue how much it is hurting Sai to see him with Pakhi, only because she had promised him, is she not raising it as an issue.

Coming back to that day

Just think, this guy picked up the pieces of broken vase and that day even when the clothes fell down from their cupboard he was expecting her to do it, he asked her why she had kept the clothes that way.

That doesn't indicate that he expects her to do the work, it was told out of jealousy. It is like when we are angry, we want to show out anger on something, whether it makes sense or not, we would do it.

But did you notice how casually he asked her how the practice is going on the day he was feeding her when she had applied Alta on her feet? Not just that he also asked how Aniket is too. He had moved past that, which shows that he realised he was being stupid, acted silly and approves her participation in the event too silently.

Neither did she ask him nor did he clarify when he asked her how the practice is going on. Both understood that him asking her not to participate was just in a moment of jealousy and anger. I was glad she understood it and how he had indirectly accepted his mistake.

Coming back to Pakhi's abuse..Virat doesnt reprimand her..Virat doesnt stop her from talking about Sai in strict tone..He lets her interrupt their fights, conversation while asks the likes of Maushi and Shivani Bua to not get in between pati patni.. I have serious degree of issues with him..

I agree, getting annoying day by day. Though he has supported Sai or spoken on behalf of Sai, he has not asked her to stop it. He did tell her that she doesn't speak to Sai in the way she speaks to others. But he is yet to tell her or yell at her for her unruly behavior towards Sai. I don't know if it has got to do with a fact that Sai can fight her own battles, if that was the case we wouldn't expect him to ask Sai to understand Pakhi. What is left to understand. Sai will be like, are you blind dude? Can't you see the qualities of your best friend? Well, this is making her push him further.

when he lets Patralekha talk to Sai in any manner she wants..abuse her as well..and most of the times gives her dirty looks where I believe she doesnt even see him giving those..Sai stopped Patralekha from falling, when she hot the bag in Ladakh trip episode, and she removed her hand a bit rudely...Have we ever seen him reprimanding Pakhi the way she behaved with his wife , considering he is her friend and has a right to correct her where she is wrong.

It is a clear case of problem with the script.

What they want to show is how Virat observes both Pakhi and Sai's behavior. They are more focussed on showing us that Virat is falling for Sai. In that scene their focus was to show Virat feels proud of Sai. How he was amazed at her magnanimity. If they had shown that Virat scolds or questions Pakhi rudely as how she removed Sai's hands that way, the focus would have shifted to the fight that would come after that. Pakhi might start fighting with him and blaming him that he is supporting his wife blindly. So they decided to write the script in such a way that he gets proud of Sai and Sai can show her kindness by trying to save her from falling after getting hit by the suitcase.

It is all in the script. While writing a story, they will be confused as which scene or which event should be given weightage.

For instance, when Virat was apologising and when we all were expecting them to show Sai to apologise too, they brought in a stupid topic of him being hungry. So the focus shifted from her accepting her mistake to her concern and hence they showed that she started to care about him staying hungry. So much that they even tried to show how Sai even asked him why didn't Pakhi didi give him food.

And we didn't like that scene too. It is a bit difficult for them to accommodate and show us the actual character. Well that is what they need to work on.

Balance it. Show that Virat is proud and at the same time show that he reprimands Pakhi in such a way the focus doesn't get diverted or the scene doesn't result in another ugly fight. Only way to show was that if Virat reprimands Pakhi, instead of her fighting with him or shouting at him or Sai, she just glares at him, gives him a dirty look at Sai and then she moves torwards her room and gets hit by her suitcase. That way, they could have shown Virat in a better light.

Also if he does that how will Sai continue to think he has soft corner for Pakhi? I have written about this further below. If they show that he reprimands Pakhi, there will be no stopping Sai. They need to maintain that friction, maintain a speed breaker in their relationship.

No. But then its his character to avoid conflicts as much as he can... I am hoping in the coming episodes he does give her back in not so subtle tone.. I still have hopes from the character Virat..A lot at that.

Right, we can only hope 😆

Sorry, it was a long post and I needed more time to be able to explain and answer and so couldn't reply sooner.

In other versions, Sai pushes Virat away and always maintains a distance with him, but it didn't make sense that when those ML were doing so much for her, she still kept considering it to be a deal and pushed him away.

I strongly think that our beloved creative head 😉 wants to reason Sai's behavior, want to have a solid reason for Sai to maintain distance from Virat. So if they show that Virat is pursuing the stupid idea of friendship between Sai and Pakhi and if Virat keeps talking good about Pakhi, Sai will have a strong reason to push him away.

Imagine, otherwise why would Sai not move close to him? Why would she talk about deal? She can get easily carried away with his care and affection. They wanted to maintain a friction, wanted a push factor and that is why I think they have introduced the stupid friendship drama and also have made Virat talking softly with Pakhi.

Don't you think so?

I feel he scolds Sai the way he currently is for many reasons. Justified or not, looks like it is happening naturally. In my opinion and if I understand Virat to some extent these are the reasons for his behavior towards Sai.

1. She is too young, so his age is playing a factor

2. Sai is his responsibility, so he thinks it is his duty to correct her and put some sense into her.

3. The responsibility factor also adds an onus on himself as a son of this family, so he should ensure that she doesn't make mistakes or disrespects his family members. Because as is he has married her and brought her to live in this house against their will, so he should ensure she stays in her limits and follows the rules of the house.

4. She is his wife, takes liberty and thinks he can take more liberty on her than anyone else.

All these 4 put together is what I feel is giving him a power, giving him the rights (which he thinks he has) to berate her, scold her, correct her, punish her and raise his voice too.

None of these are applicable for Pakhi and hence a thanda reply for her. Just a stare, raising eye brows; folding hands and challenging her; giving her a puzzled or a disgusting look and sometimes warning her or showing her mirror.

Makes sense, doesn't it? 😂😂

Having said the above 4 points, parents or guardian do take that liberty because the onus is on them. They are answerable for their children's behavior or the person's behavior.

And it is not just answerable, it is also about how they should be, it is their duty to imbibe good and right qualities in them. In Virat's case he is not her Dad, but he is the only person who can and should do it. Since she is also very young and he has more experience in life, he takes the liberty (with no wrong intent or not liberty as in possession) to correct her.

When they act as husband and wife, both will start doing it. He will correct her when she goes wrong and she will correct him when he goes wrong. Since they started more like a guardian and responsibility kind of relationship more than husband and wife, he had been doing it. Also, the age will always play a role in it until she grows up, or he feels she doesn't need guidance.

He does tell that in one of his dialogues too, not in this respect but when she tells he need not care about her, he tells her that he will until he thinks she can take care of herself.

Though that was to show care, I am only made to think that same holds good for him correcting her actions too.

This is always a controversial matter. Sometimes people who are too young and with not much of experience in life can also be very matured, patient, righteous. And people who are old will lack all of these. Just like our Chavan khandaan's gang or Pakhi (worst).

Originally posted by: methebest

I heard lot of people say this, but I don't understand Bengali, so haven't tried watching it.

neither do I!!!
but to see what’s coming up I did..

Got the jist of the track!!

Originally posted by: sammy17

Dear the issue is, that it isn't just that the actress who is portraying the character wrong, but it is very clear both the writers and director have created this character in a different way from the originals. The writers and directors are the one who dictate their expectations of how the actor should present the character in each scene in order to display the required emotions and intentions of the character as intended. Here it seems the way the actress portrays pakhi as this boisterous, sour-faced and whiny woman who always loves to play victim card and claim she is being attacked and humiliated even when that is not the case is just how the hindi version character has been written.

True, not sure why decided this and also not sure what is in store for us in future too.

Originally posted by: Svt611

They need to explain the character properly to her.. I feel they are lacking there.. till the time she doesn’t accept that her character is negative it won’t work....

That's never going to happen. I don't know why but the actress playing Kaku also justifies her actions and shows some scenes as if it was a positive thing in her Insta account page.

It just popped once and I happened to check it and only then realised it only then that even she was defending her character. Probably they have been asked to, I don't know.

Anyway we can avoid these. 😂😂