If Virat was.... - Page 3

Originally posted by: VioletOrchid123

Bang on!!

I havw been thinking about this only.... What if genders were reversed?.... What if its a man eyeing his wife's sister the way pakhi is doing to virat?... Trying to get close to her at every possible opportunity, belittling her husband, trying to get her on a trip alone... If a man does these things to a woman, it would surely be considered as harassment... Audience would have reacted and even file complaint against show promoting sexual harassment.... Just because a woman is doing this doesn't make it ok..... Virat is not comfortable with her advances, then how is it ok? ... Some people can be seen defending pakhi's lust as well on social media.

Yes, even I have read positive reviews on Pakhi. It's so disgusting and disappointing that people like Pakhi's character. If it was Virat in place of Pakhi then there would have been an uproar. But, noone feels offensive about Pakhi.

Originally posted by: methebest

I am surprised at the level of obscenity the show is hell bent on showing is beyond comprehension for me, but from watching the pre-cap another thought crossed my mind! It reminded me of an incident of couple of days ago and I couldn't stop but compare this pre-cap with it.

A couple of days ago one of my interns came to me to with a problem. She is staying in a multifamily homes with a family. She is single and she gets a long with the family well, but off late she has been feeling that the husband has been indecent, but she is not sure of it. One of the camping trips the husband asked her to put her cloths in his bag excitedly. The wife was right next and she became wooden-face, but walked out with out saying anything. She shared a lot more and I told her it was indeed sexual harassment. Then comes our pre-cap today.

If Virat was a woman and Pakhi was a man and then Pakhi would have asked Virat to handover cloths to be packed in a shared bag, plus asked about nazremoon ideas, we would have gone bonkers. We would have called it harassment, sexual harassment and called the man "thirky", vulgar etc...

Isn't what Virat is going through called sexual harassment? If the gender was reversed it would have certainly be a called it. Of course, Virat being a male is not going to be under physical force of Pakhi, but still attempts of SH are there in my opinion.

i agree👍🏼

but iska zimmedaar bhi woh kudh hai. he gave her that freedom by letting her interfere in his and his wife's maters, woh tho knock karne ki bhi zaroorath nay samajthi room mein aane se pehle and he let her be and let her poke nose into everything related to him, let her tak nonsense about his wife. he didn't set any limits between him and his so-called BESTFRIEND which led to this incident now. abhi bhi he doesn't say anything much bas cleverly escape kar jaata hai bina straightforward answer diye, yehi tho aage jaaye will make pakhi get more and more obsessed with him and do nasty things, she even does pregnancy drama.

pakhi ke harkatein sab ko dikh rai hai, kaku and gang jaanbooch ke igonre karte hai infact encourage karte hai. karishma,ashwini,sai,shivani sab ko dikhta hai and sab samaj bhi rahe hai acche se, but only virat doesn't understand? he does but still he entertains her actions and feelings by not clearing things up by strictly telling her that whatever it was between them is over now. indirectly he said but pakhi doesn't want to take the catch until he 'clearly' tells her whats in his mind.

aaj tho she clearly said 'tum sirf baatein banate hi nay baatein bhulte bhi ho jaise muje bhool gaye' even 14 years nibba nibbies would understand what she meant but still chavan saheb goes on with his jalebis talk about friendship, parivaar ka hissa and all.

It is sexual harassment and virat is ok with it, warna thab hi he would ask 'tumhare bag mein kyun pakhi?' or say 'even though we are friends, tum meri bhabi ho main tumhare saath bag kaise share kar sakta hoon' but his jalebi talks never ends and he never say anything to pakhi.

naasamj ko phir bhi samaja sakte hai, but sab kuch samaj kar naasamaj banne ki acting karne waalon ka koyi kuch nay samjasakta. 😛

Absolutely agree with every word!

Originally posted by: methebest

I agree clear "no" is necessary, but had it been Sai and Samrat or Mohit was doing this to her and she wasn't able to say clear " no" because earlier she had given stupid "vada" would be still hold her on that?

Regardless of the gender, unless the recipient of the indecent advances views it as indecent on his/her own and makes the "No" explicit, it cannot be termed as harassment. Of course, we can see that it is bordering at that but the onus of calling out such behaviour first lies on the 'victim'. Right now what she's doing is emotional manipulation and guilt-tripping with the promise and tears and it the precap has given a glimpse of the obsession turning into a visible case of an "offer" that has a sexual colour by asking someone to hand over clothes and share a bag. Again, whether it should be called "harassment" or not will depend on the recipient - Virat. I hope his "No" is clear this time🤔

I held myself back from opening this topic because extreme number of rape cases in India, let alone world. I know girls suffer so much, so being a women I was reluctant, but then I thought why hold back?

Why do we feel guilty about raising these issues? It is true that women are harassed a lot and usually disadvantaged due to their physical weakness and stigma attached to reporting the cases but it is also true that a LOT of men are harassed by women and unfortunately there has been no recognition or thought put into the issue. It is so appalling that our laws are biased about the issue to begin with -- and the lady of justice is supposed to wear a blindfold but well it is an irony!

Originally posted by: jane_austen

Does our law really state that only men will stalk? That's so stupid

Quoting the exact words from Indian Penal Code, which has to be taken "as it is". It is Section 354D- for stalking, that was amended after the Delhi gangrape of 2012. Earlier it was just a random section 354 that did not even define sexual harassment and only said "outraging modesty of a woman" - this is still the overview definition but it now defines the exact acts of a man against a woman to classify as sexual harassment across its A B C D and so on sub sections...

Here you go - please see words in red:

Any man who—

1. follows a woman and contacts, or attempts to contact such woman to foster personal interaction repeatedly despite a clear indication of disinterest by such woman; or
2. monitors the use by a woman of the internet, email or any other form of electronic communication,
   commits the offence of stalking1;
   
   Provided that such conduct shall not amount to stalking if the man who pursued it proves that—
   1. it was pursued for the purpose of preventing or detecting crime and the man accused of stalking had been entrusted with the responsibility of prevention and detection of crime by the State; or
   2. it was pursued under any law or to comply with any condition or requirement imposed by any person under any law; or
   3. in the particular circumstances such conduct was reasonable and justified.

You can read how law defines "rape" under IPC Section 375 nd 376.

Originally posted by: Sakmen

Valid questions dear!

Everytime I think this the lowest this woman can stoop, she raises the bar higher!

As Janki di said it's clearly trying to make sexual advances (even if in PP's mind she's just asking as a 'BFF' to share a bag it's quite weird, coz who on earth does that?! I would never even think of sharing a bag with a female best friend too for that matter). But it does not particularly qualify to be sexual harrassment at the moment.. yes it is an ingredient and can quantify to be harrassment coupled with if some other advances that she makes in the future.

Even in the case of a woman being a victim of sexual harassment it will not classify as sexual harassment until there is "a clear indication of disinterest by such woman" as mentioned by law. So communicating the "NO" is essential. Silence doesn't count as no because law does not sit down to decipher "Uski na hai ya haan" 😆

Janki di also very well explained the legal aspects of it.

However, for any act to qualify to be sexual harrassment, it is also very important as to how the victim perceives it to be.. whether Virat would be "clearly" uncomfortable with her advances.. and indicate her the same or not, afterall, he only said yesterday, "no means no". But the point is that he needs to explicitly convey that NO. Coz his vahini is clearly not capable of understanding the implied "no" that he keeps on throwing, nor that expressly saying it would have a major effect on her, but still.

True. I don't actually think Virat has taken it as 'sexual harassment' yet. He thinks she is Maharani of Maturegarh and "best friend" from Planet Pluto so her interactions have not registered as having 'sexual colour' yet, which is why this precap is interesting to actually bring out what does Virat think of it now...

I know even as just viewers we are appalled by her advances.. it is certainly much more uncomfortable for the person in Virat's position. The woman is becoming downright cheap and has no redemption for her behaviour. Going by the precap, I think virat too was uncomfortable with her suggestion, but obviously he'll again find a diplomatic way to refuse her. And I don't think that will be enough to deter her from her motives.

He should be able to get the vibes this time.If he doesn't I would say he's enjoying the attention as well.. I don't see why he wouldn't get the vibe when he was so uncomfortable with her presence in the scene where Sai had left the room. But I do know he will try to be sweet and diplomatic because he doesnt want to do her "beizzati" given her blackmail of leaving the house.

I even doubt that virat even reads or thinks of these advances that she's making like we understand them to be, he'll again brush it on the pretext of being a best friend's caring gesture.. or maybe think that she's too stressed for samrat. The man is also beyond my understanding, I just can't make what he thinks.

The suitcase offer cannot be brushed aside. But apart from that, we as viewers had the advantage of reading PP's mind more than Virat did so, so far he has not taken it as sexual advances. But now, it will be pretty evident. It has nothing to do with Samrat

Originally posted by: VioletOrchid123

Usage Date rape drugs are common in itv shows... Many shows have vamps doing it to ml's and getting away with it... In fact is always the men who feels guilty of cheating their respective partners after getting raped.... Its always shown as if these men were weak to fall into such trap😔

Yes, isn't it such an unfortunate thing that very vamp on TV at least in 90s and 2000s would do that and be waiting for the opportunity to play the "we have a bun in the oven from that night" dialogue... yikes! this is the reason i stopped watching TV shows and I hope they don't take this one back there. Iske baad to phir, Aai shappat, I won't see any TV show again in my living years 😆

Good post👍🏼

I am surprised Janki that the law is so lopsided. As we increasingly talk of equality between the sexes, laws also need to evolve. Otherwise equality in its true sense, will never be achieved, right?

Vaise, the pre cap is shocking. But it does depend on how Virat responds to it. Each time, he responds diplomatically, the next time she gets more brazen. It's a cycle he needs to stop. Because she seems to have the support of the elders as well!

Originally posted by: jankiraghav

Are you a lawyer?😊

Originally posted by: methebest

Are you a lawyer?😊

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