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Posted: 14 years ago
#41
A few points I would like to make after reading everyone's replies:
1. You cannot compare Indian shows with western shows, because both India and America/Europe have totally different cultures and practices. I am not going to say one is better than the other, but it is just the authenticity and culture of each nation. It is going to be different, and it is always goint to be different. It is like saying Irish customs should mold with Italian cutsoms and vice versa. Every country has their own culture, and it is beautiful in their own way.
American culture for a long time has been very open and public about kissing and showing affection in public, that is just its culture and it is neither right nor wrong. On the other hand, Indian culture has always been very private and shy about public showing of affection. Again, this is neither right nor wrong, but just a natural practice of India.
GHSP is an Indian show, so naturally it will follow majority of Indian customs and practices. Though many viewers are from western countries and get frustrated because of the more shy romantic scenes shown, they cannot expect this show to follow the western way and show lip locks. That is not Indian, it is western. I myself live in America, and it is true that shows here have lip locks like every other minute, but that is what I associate with western shows. When I see Indian shows on Dish channels, I expect something different because the culture of India is like that. Both cultures are beautiful in their own way, so why should one conform to the other? Why does Indian culture have to follow the western way and lose its own identity? There is no sense in that.
2. One other thing. True love does not equal only passionate romance scenes. If a couple is really in love, lip locks and bold scenes will not dominate their relationshop because there is more to love than just kissing and touching each other. If a relationship is dominated only by that, that is lust and not love. I am a Psychology major, so I researched very deeply into this and can vouch that if Maan and Geet are really in love, we will see more in their relationship than just the same repetitive romance scenes. Also, they are an 'Indian' couple, not a western one, so I do not think Nissar will ever show a lip lock between Maneet because that is not what Indian television is about. It does not mean Indian culture is too conservative or not, it is just a norm which has been practiced for a long time and which continue to be practiced.
Also, neck kisses are not the equivalent of lip kisses, because lips are a more intimate part of the human body than the neck, and everyone knows this. So kissing on neck or cheeks is not as intimate as kissing on lips, and if some actors feel uncomfortable kissing on lips, that does not make them any less of a human being. One should respect their choices.
3. Yes, Bollywood is showing intimate scenes these days, but as per my knowledge, a LOT of people have begun to dislike bollywood for it. Either they are not showing the intimate scenes right or majority of Indian audience is not ready to give up their culture for the foreign western one. So if Indian television goes the Bollywood route, I doubt that it will get as many viewers as it does now.
4. When one says they do not want Maneet bold scenes, it is extremely rude to tell them to switch the channel. Why? Because they may still love GHSP and wish to watch the serial for its plot and characters. Every person has their own tastes, and GHSP is not geared for only those Maneet fans who wish for bold scenes. I know a lot of Maneet fans who are thoroughly enjoying the shy romantic scenes between Maneet right now and would dislike it immensely if bold scenes are show. Are they tradition and 'orthodox' in their views? Perhaps. But does that mean they have no right to watch GHSP anymore? No. The show is for everyone, and not all youngsters enjoy watching western romance in Indian shows. They do not have to switch channels if they do not like what they are seeing, because all they wish is for it to be shown how they prefer as well. In the end of the day, they are still just as ardent of Maneet fans as the ones who prefer bold scenes, so what right does anyone have to tell a Maneet fan to stop watching the show just because they do not want bold? The show does not belong to a particular group, and everyone has a right to advice/suggest the CVs how to go with the plot.
5. Leave Debina out of this. While Gurmeet is a professional actor, so is Debina. She acted in a Tamil movie (Perarasu) before which had quite a few intimate scenes with the hero, so she will not go all jealous and angry if Gurmeet acts in intimate scenes with Drashti. Both are actors, so making fun of Debina's feelings whenever an intimate Maneet scene is shown is not very mature. Both knew when they chose to become actors that they would have to do intimate scenes some time or other, esp if they wish to go into Bollywood, so they are not little crybabies who will get into jealous rages over the other's co-star.
-Janu
Edited by JanakiRaghunath - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: SanaH05

I love this post. Thanks to the topic-maker!

Point noted is excellent, this scene was definitely not For family viewing, and when I say family, I meant younger siblings and kids..on a priority basis.
then again...if its a half-intimate scene, Anyway. Why not go all the way?

This part always unnerves me and leaves me frustrated. I've noted what an impeccable and excellent actor GC is. His eye-coordination with his words are absolutely ...astounding.
When he speaks to Geet, as Maan, his eyes keep traveling back to her lips...over and over again.
Its like he is sending her a signal..lol 😆

And that is tantalizing. Leaving the audience to imagine the "What-would've-happened-IF......"
When in reality, nothing does happen. The scene that took place, blew me over, I never remember having such a whoopy feeling in my stomach watching them romance the way they did.

Both the actors looked like they would;ve easily leaned in for the kiss...as Maaneet. But would they?
The comfort and chemistry shared by GC and DD on-screen as well as off-screen is really imp for such intimate scenes, as most of the time...its improvised. You have to come up with it yourself.

So it depends on them as well.

And yes, Indian Cinema has gone a long way when it comes to scenes like these...and frankly speaking...the old time classics like DDLJ and Kuch Kuch Hota hai...wouldnt have looked more or less better with a love-making scene or a kissing scene. I wouldve still loved watching it...although not with my family.

And since GHSP aires at the time slot of 9.30 Pm..where the entire family is around..Its probably a family/youth show.
Either they shift it to a late night slot...or show an explicit statement before the show starts.. (PG13??)
But that again would be weird coz all they are doing is kissing!!

Honestly, the way Maaneet always keep having a go at each other...
even when they fight, like someone mentioned above, there is a sexual undercurrent. The Audience feels it...
and when you leave it at that...the half-kiss pose...where people like me are screaming for them to KISS GODAMMIT!! 😡 And when you know it ain't ever gonna happen.*shrugs*

You're just left disheartened and yearning for more... 😆



Thanks for your comment Sana, and i agree GC and DD are incredible actors to pull of such electrifying scenes. I am in agreement with your argument especially the first part 😃.
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Posted: 14 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: nandinivarma1

there have been lots of instances of intimate (kissing)scenes in other serials...i have seen kissing scenes in mahi ve of sony...there were many kissing scenes in that serial...of course the chemistry bet these two were there...and in maryada in star plus also lot of hot scenes are shown....so how come the restriction for maan and geet alone...maybe if these two do those scenes, the hospitals will be full and many houses will have burst tv sets????



to be honest i havn't seen these kissing scenes in the other dramas😆
were they real or a product of camera angles???

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Posted: 14 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: sldeeps

Chill guyz..........char din me shaadi hone vali hai😆............may CV's are reserving bold stuff for after marriage scenes😳.........and I know Maan never takes the first step(bold step) because he is aware of Geet's sensibe natue...........but Maan never misses a single chance to seduce her ..........and he makes sure that Geet is comfortable........so what i feel is till now being intense is more required than being bold as per the story line

BUT BUT BUTshaadi ke baad CV's ke e saare bahane nahi chlega 😉..............what do u say girlz😃



LOL, to my knowledge romance scenes generally tend to go down the drains after the leads get married 🤣 but i like your optimism and hope your right 😉😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: Asmiiish

Liked the topic, and agree that I would have change the channel too.


But about the kiss, I think the reason is that, the visuals are restricted, but imaginations are not, thats why maybe they thought that a scene is better if left to once imagination, but the actors emoted so well that one could actually feel it. But if this scene was acted by someone else than I think I wouldnt change the channel cuz, the intesity wouldn have been there. Hope you get ma point😆

BTW, I cant change the channel, cuz I watch it online😆



LOL, i watch it online for the very same reason,
and yes i understand your point perfectly 😃😆

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Posted: 14 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: temorocks

Do u call such scenes intimate scenes? Not even a single kiss or a tight hug, lolzzzzzzz =))

Where is the neck kiss? grrrrrrrrrrr 😡😆


yeah man ofcourse it was intimate, did you not feel the heat 😆
i definitely wouldn't watch such a scene with my mum and siblings,
that's why i watch it online,
and yes even im waiting for the neck kiss 😉😆

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Posted: 14 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: bhabha

I think todays episode was well balanced . Perhaps the kissing would be implied like a curtain comming in the way at the right moment or the angle of the camera being adjusted to refelct the action.



although i would prefer to see the proper kiss, i'd even settle for one that is the product of camera tricks 😆


but at the end of the day whether the kiss is real or fake, some ppl would still change the channel if watching the show with a family, so they might as well show the peoper thing for the ppl that won't 😆

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Posted: 14 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: Lip-a-Licious



LOL, i watch it online for the very same reason,
and yes i understand your point perfectly 😃😆


Hahah good, I was a bit off when I wrote that😆
Actually I would have watch it on tv, but I dont like to wait a week, and the other reason is that I make wierd faces i.e smile/blush when I watch so ya I think you get it😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

A few points I would like to make after reading everyone's replies:


American culture for a long time has been very open and public about kissing and showing affection in public, that is just its culture and it is neither right nor wrong. On the other hand, Indian culture has always been very private and shy about public showing of affection. Again, this is neither right nor wrong, but just a natural practice of India.
GHSP is an Indian show, so naturally it will follow majority of Indian customs and practices. Though many viewers are from western countries and get frustrated because of the more shy romantic scenes shown, they cannot expect this show to follow the western way and show lip locks. That is not Indian, it is western.
Also, they are an 'Indian' couple, not a western one, so I do not think Nissar will ever show a lip lock between Maneet because that is not what Indian television is about. It does not mean Indian culture is too conservative or not, it is just a norm which has been practiced for a long time and which continue to be practiced.
Also, neck kisses are not the equivalent of lip kisses, because lips are a more intimate part of the human body than the neck, and everyone knows this. So kissing on neck or cheeks is not as intimate as kissing on lips, and if some actors feel uncomfortable kissing on lips, that does not make them any less of a human being. One should respect their choices.
3. Yes, Bollywood is showing intimate scenes these days, but as per my knowledge, a LOT of people have begun to dislike bollywood for it. Either they are not showing the intimate scenes right or majority of Indian audience is not ready to give up their culture for the foreign western one. So if Indian television goes the Bollywood route, I doubt that it will get as many viewers as it does now.
4. When one says they do not want Maneet bold scenes, it is extremely rude to tell them to switch the channel. Why? Because they may still love GHSP and wish to watch the serial for its plot and characters. Every person has their own tastes, and GHSP is not geared for only those Maneet fans who wish for bold scenes. I know a lot of Maneet fans who are thoroughly enjoying the shy romantic scenes between Maneet right now and would dislike it immensely if bold scenes are show. Are they tradition and 'orthodox' in their views? Perhaps. But does that mean they have no right to watch GHSP anymore? No. The show is for everyone, and not all youngsters enjoy watching western romance in Indian shows. They do not have to switch channels if they do not like what they are seeing, because all they wish is for it to be shown how they prefer as well. In the end of the day, they are still just as ardent of Maneet fans as the ones who prefer bold scenes, so what right does anyone have to tell a Maneet fan to stop watching the show just because they do not want bold? The show does not belong to a particular group, and everyone has a right to advice/suggest the CVs how to go with the plot.
5. Leave Debina out of this. While Gurmeet is a professional actor, so is Debina. She acted in a Tamil movie (Perarasu) before which had quite a few intimate scenes with the hero, so she will not go all jealous and angry if Gurmeet acts in intimate scenes with Drashti. Both are actors, so making fun of Debina's feelings whenever an intimate Maneet scene is shown is not very mature. Both knew when they chose to become actors that they would have to do intimate scenes some time or other, esp if they wish to go into Bollywood, so they are not little crybabies who will get into jealous rages over the other's co-star.
-Janu



Thank you for posting such an insightful view Janu, although you have pointed out many viewpoints i will only address the ones that are linked to what i posted as the topic starter.

Indian culture was shy about showing kissing and affection in public, but that is changing, sure that view it's still strongly prevalent in India, but not as strong as it was before, that's why every now and then you might catch a desi couple lip locking on the streets of India (not very commmon, i know, but there's no denying that it happens). Indian TV therefore should have the freedom to show such scenes if they want and those who want to watch it will watch it and those who don't won't. Everyone has different preferences and a freedom in their choice and you have rightly pointed out that there is no right or wrong it that. 😊

Lip kisses may be more intimate then neck kisses or cheek kisses, but at the end of the day the intensity and closeness with with such scenes are shown, some families wouldn't actually sit together and watch such scenes becuase it's too intimate and will change the channel. It was for this reason that i argued that the whole reason they show' half or mild intimate' scenes was so that people primarily families can actually sit through and watch such scenes, but seeing as that's not working, instead of holding back they should just show a proper kiss, because at the end of the day a intimate scene is a intimate scene whether 'mild or bold' and those shy about watching such scenes would change it anyway regardless of where the kiss is.

The last time i checked critics were actually arguing that statistcs revevaled that in the past few years there are actually more people watching bollywood movies 😆, whether that is the result of more 'bold scenes' or not, i can't really comment on! There are many movies that have protrayed 'bold scenes' in a vulgar maaner (ahem Imran Hasmi and Malika Sharawat) and i confirm that i thought those scenes were aweful, but some of those scenes have also been done tastefully ( i.e Rani Mukherjee).

End point, there should be a variety of 'bold and mild intimate scenes' in both movies and TV and people should choose to watch whatever matches their preference.

Everyone on Geet forum loves GHSP, some of these members like the shy romance scenes others like bold romance scenes, there's no right and wrong there. Therefore GHSP should show a variety of such scenes so that the whole crowd is pleased.

I personally feel that the whole 'switching the channel argument' is not rude at all, becuase what other solution is there to this problem. If bold scenes are shown and someone doesn't like it, ofcourse they can still sit through it, it's their choice, but if they don't like it, then i don't see the harm in them changing the channel until the scene is over. No one (on this thread atleast) suggested that anyone stop watching the show altogether 🤔.

Lastly, i actually don't know how Debina came into this, there was only one comment i think were someone jokingly said the DB may be jealous because GC got very intimate. She wasn't actually making fun of DB feeling's, that was just her way of saying that GC was very good in that scene. 😊


whoa, that actually took a while to write up 😆


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Posted: 14 years ago
#50

Originally posted by: Asmiiish


Hahah good, I was a bit off when I wrote that😆
Actually I would have watch it on tv, but I dont like to wait a week, and the other reason is that I make wierd faces i.e smile/blush when I watch so ya I think you get it😆



LOL... ditto, those are the very reasons i watch it on youtube 😆

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