Dharmaraj's Indraprastha

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Srutha

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Posted: 8 years ago

#221

I think she fell off because she was a little proud of her beauty. She loved all five equally.

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Amaya Rishikesh

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Posted: 8 years ago

#222

As for that, we are only left with speculation. She loved all five equally, so I don't think that could have been a valid argument. The sad part is that people vilify all the people who they can, making them sound like demons or like brainless people, and are too busy glorifying the ones who dont deserve it,

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Janaki

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Posted: 8 years ago

#223

Vyasa says she fell of because she had partiality for Arjuna, but even if that's true I don't think there's anything wrong in it. After all, he is the one who won her swayamvara, so I think he'd always have a special place in her heart, but regardless, she did love the others immensely. If she was partial to Arjuna, I think it's only human. I don't hold it against her.

Vaishampayana said: "Those princes of restrained souls and devoted to Yoga, proceeding to the north, beheld Himavat, that very large mountain. Crossing the Himavat, they beheld a vast desert of sand. They then saw the mighty mountain Meru, the foremost of all high-peaked mountains. As those mighty ones were proceeding quickly, all rapt in Yoga, Yajnaseni, falling of from Yoga, dropped down on the Earth. Beholding her fallen down, Bhimasena of great strength addressed king Yudhishthira the just, saying, O scorcher of foes, this princess never did any sinful act. Tell us what the cause is for which Krishna has fallen down on the Earth!'

"Yudhishthira said: O best of men, though we were all equal unto her she had great partiality for Dhananjaya. She obtains the fruit of that conduct today, O best of men.'"

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m17/m17002.htm

Edited by ..RamKiJanaki.. - 8 years ago

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Justitia

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Posted: 8 years ago

#224

I've always had this question -

In the epic, what did Krishna think of the whole situation of staking of bros and wife (no matter what the circumstances were)?

Before the final Bhima v/s Duryodhana bout, Yudhisthira tells Duryodhana that defeating/slaying even any one of the Pandavas would result in a Kaurava victory.

KMG states that Krishna is not exactly happy with Yudi for stating so, and even compares it to the dice game itself (as Krishna was of the view that Yudi had risked the Pandava victory by making such a proposal) -

"Sanjaya said, 'Whilst Duryodhana, O king, was repeatedly roaring in this strain, Vasudeva, filled with wrath, said these words unto Yudhishthira, "What rash words hast thou spoken, O king, to the effect, 'Slaying one amongst us be thou king among the Kurus.' If, indeed, O Yudhishthira, Duryodhana select thee for battle, or Arjuna, or Nakula, or Sahadeva (what will be the consequence)? From desire of slaying Bhimasena, O king, for these thirteen years hath Duryodhana practised with the mace upon a statue of iron! How then, O bull of Bharata's race, will our purpose be achieved? From compassion, O best of kings, thou hast acted with great rashness! I do not at this moment behold a match (for Duryodhana) except Pritha's son Vrikodara! His practice, again, with the mace, is not so great! Thou hast, therefore, once more allowed a wretched game of chance to commence as that one in former days between thyself and Shakuni, O monarch! Bhima is possessed of might and prowess. King Suyodhana, however, is possessed of skill! In a contest between might and skill, he that is possessed of skill, O king, always prevails! Such a foe, O king, thou hast, by thy words, placed in a position of ease and comfort! Thou hast placed thine own self, however, in a position of difficulty. We have, in consequence of this, been placed in great danger! Who is there that would abandon sovereignty within grasp, after having vanquished all his foes and when he hath only one foe to dispose of and that one plunged in difficulties? I do not see that man in the world today, be he a god, who is competent to vanquish the mace-armed Duryodhana in battle! Neither thou nor Bhima, nor Nakula nor Sahadeva, nor Phalguna, is capable of vanquishing Duryodhana in fair fight! King Duryodhana is possessed of great skill! How then, O Bharata, canst thou say unto such a foe words such as these, 'Fight, selecting the mace as thy weapon, and if thou canst slay one amongst us, thou shalt then be king?' If Duryodhana encounters Vrikodara amongst us wishing to fight fairly with him, even then our victory would be doubtful. Duryodhana is possessed of great might and great skill. How couldst thou say unto him, 'Slaying only one amongst us be thou king'? Without a doubt, the offspring of Pandu and Kunti are not destined to enjoy sovereignty! They were born for passing their lives in continued exile in the woods or in mendicancy!"

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m09/m09033.htm

Please note that I'm not bashing Yudi here. After all, this citation is from the epic itself. 😉

But, does this quote from Krishna to Yudi (raking up the dice game which happened way back then) tell us what He really thought of that horrible scenario all those years back?

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Srutha

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Posted: 8 years ago

#225

The way I see it is this:

Yes, the Lord thinks that Dharmaraj did make a mistake, but He also knew that Dharmaraj was caught in a Dharmasankat in this situation. Should Dharmaraj have staked his brothers and wives, no. But he had to play the game, as for him, he wanted to please one he thought of as his father, Dhritirashtra. It was two Dharmas at the same time. He had to choose one.

But then again, KMG's translation is not entirely accurate. That was the Lord's way of telling Dharmaraj that he had to be careful in this war.

Later, He says that, "Fight unfair with unfair"

It was true Dury had great skill, but Bhima had might and prowess, and he had something Dury didn't. The Lord Himself on His side. Surrender takes you to the Lord.

Back to the point, I think He used those lines to show Dharmaraj why the war was needed, rather than peace, though He Himself was an advocate of peace. The Lord's games are confusing, but without them, survival is impossible.

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Amaya Rishikesh

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Posted: 8 years ago

#226

I agree with Srutha. He was in a Dharmasankat situation, and he had hoped that Dhritarashtra would bail him out. Which he didn't. Soemwhere post VH is when he realised that Krishna is Dharma. That was his liberation. He didn't do it before, but after, he did. 😳

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Semanti Chakraborty

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Posted: 8 years ago

#227

Dharmaraj was a follower of aanrishanshya (non-violence or non-cruelty) throughout his whole life. For him, aanrishanshya was the greatest Dharma. Duryodhan had done so many harms to him, still, when Duryodhan rose from the Dwaipayan lake, without armour, without chariot, without friends and soldiers...Dharmaraj could not help feeling compassionate for his eldest cousin. He might have thought Dhritarashtra and Gandhari's condition too who had already lost all of their sons except Duryodhan. This thought made him give that offer to Duryodhan which undoubtedly seems to be harmful for his own side.

Now the question is: the same Lord who had always praised Yudhishthir's kindness and never rebuked him for the dice game, why did He say these words? Was He really irritated with His devotee or was He trying to warn him as well as Bheem that they should not take a helpless and friendless enemy lightly? I think the later makes more sense since He does not spend more time in rebuking Yudhishthir for his so-called unforgivable crime but began to make them aware of Duryodhan's plus points. I think Lord's main intention was to make the tension alive in Pandavas so that they did not lose at the last battle. And in my humble opinion, Krishna very well knew why Yudhishthir had dared to give that offer to Duryodhan. It was nothing but faith, strong faith on his Saviour which made him believe that Duryodhan was unable to beat any of them as long as Krishna was with them. I'm sure that while Krishna was telling him, "What will happen if he challenges you or the twins?", Yudhishthir was thinking, "Why should I worry of this when I have you by my side?" A true devotee of Lord never fears to take a risk.

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Semanti Chakraborty

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Posted: 8 years ago

#228

DIFFERENT NAMES OF DHARMARAJ:

1) Yudhishthir - The one who remains sthir or steady even in a battle. This name was given by Dharma Dev himself at the time of his son's birth (through a divine message). Here 'yuddha' implies to the battles of life, in which he was always 'sthir'.

2) Ajaatshatru - The one who has no enemy. This name was given by the people of Indraprashtha who loved their King with all their heart. Vyas Dev commented that there was absolutely no one in his kingdom who disliked the King, and hence the people called him so.

3) Dharmaraaj - The King who follows righteous path. It is not clear who gave this name to him, but it seems to be Lord Krishna since He used this name in most of times. In Van Parva the Lord says to him, "Na Cha Arthalobhaat Prajahaasi Dharmam/ Tasmaad Swabhaabaad Asi Dharmarajah" (You never leave Dharma out of greed, hence you indeed are the Dharmaraj.)

4) Kanka - Another name of Dharma. Yudhishthir used this name in Virat Nagar for his incognito purpose. It was not a lie because Kanka means Dharma and he was DharmaPutra as well as Dharmaraj. At the end of Yaksha Prashna, Dharma Dev tells him, "Bhavaan Dharma" (You are Dharma), so if he uses the name of Dharma it should not be a lie.

5) Paandav - The son of Pandu.

6) Paartha - The son of Prithaa or Kunti. It is not true that only Arjun was known as Paartha. Yudhishthir too was often addressed Paartha' by Lord Krishna and others.

7) Kurushreshtha - The greatest of Kuru clan. When Jayadrath was abducting Draupadi, this was the name she proudly uttered to give Jayadrath an idea of her husband.

8) Mridangaketu - The one who has mridanga (tabor) on his flag. There were two tabors on his chariot-flag, whose names were Nanda and Upananda.

9) Dharmanandan - The son of Dharma.

10) Dharmarakshita - The one who protects Dharma. In his own words, "Dharma Rakshati Rakshitaah" (Dharma protects them who protect it).

11) Jaya - The one who has achieved victory. This name was decided before they entered Viraat Nagar. Each Paandav decided a secret name for himself which they could use in emergency and others would not understand it. Yudhishthir's name was Jaya, Bheem's Jayanta, Arjun's Vijaya, Nakul's Jayasen and sahadev's Jayadval.

12) BheemPuravaja - The one who is elder to Bheem. Here it may be mentioned that Bheem was his dearest among the four brothers. If he was the soul of Pandavas, Bheem was the life (praan-vaayu).

Edited by DharmaPriyaa - 8 years ago

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Semanti Chakraborty

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Posted: 8 years ago

#229

Has anybody here watched the show 'Dharma Kshetra" on Epic channel? What do you think of Yudhishthir's episode, if watched?

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NONIE

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Posted: 8 years ago

#230

I watched that episode long back semanti didi.It was not good.In some questions they show yudhisthir as a harsh person ashamed to be kunti's son after karna's truth.or draupadi said that he was very happy than other brothers because of sharing incident.even draupadi accuses him of wanting her as his wife and she does not want that.😭I felt that they are trying to demean him and encouraging false beliefs about him 😡. this is my personal opinon.in other episodes of other characters also he was shown very rude or arrogant .I can feel that you won't like the portrayal of this yudhisthir

this show is currently coming on epic channel from mon to fri at 9 to 10 pm.his episode no.s are 17 and 18

Edited by Nonie12345 - 8 years ago