Raizada and Sons - Thread 2 - Page 92

Originally posted by: thebluewhale

This was such an important chapter in terms of content and where this story is going. And you did a great job of writing it.

I feel so sad for Khushi. I wanted to punch Arnav for all the romantic bull shit he fed Khushi. Arnav has displayed shades of male chauvinism (I am not completely convinced this is the right word) and a constant urge to be in control throughout the story. But this chapter brought out this quality so strongly. I might be pummeled for saying this but this marriage seemed to be too focused on the physical aspect versus the emotional from Arnav's perspective. Khushi never wanted this relationship but then once she was able to move past per past prejudices she had made an honest effort at it. She had grown to love Arnav and had admitted it.

Arnav doesn't realize it but the dynamics of his marriage and relationship with Khushi has shifted never to be the same by his refusal to be honest. Khushi sees the shift because she feels her feeling shifting. She understood that he is not being completely honest and would have been ready to give him time. But I think what hurts her is the fact that Arnav did not give her enough credit by not even considering that she would see past his bull shitting.

Is love everything? Can there be love without respect and honesty? Can there be love if you do not trust your partner enough to share what you are, what you think. But most importantly can there be love when you do not involve the other person in decisions which will be critical for you as an individual and your relationship. Can love exist on its own without the respect for an individual and their abilities and emotions?

You know as this story progresses I have time and again kind of found myself thinking about Mahabharata. Strange I know. But it is so. The power games, the play for control, the prejudices, undying loyalty, women though central to the story yet being used and abused in ways more than one by the men. All this and much more reminds me of the age old tale.

Originally posted by: thebluewhale

This was such an important chapter in terms of content and where this story is going. And you did a great job of writing it.

I feel so sad for Khushi. I wanted to punch Arnav for all the romantic bull shit he fed Khushi. Arnav has displayed shades of male chauvinism (I am not completely convinced this is the right word) and a constant urge to be in control throughout the story. But this chapter brought out this quality so strongly. I might be pummeled for saying this but this marriage seemed to be too focused on the physical aspect versus the emotional from Arnav's perspective. Khushi never wanted this relationship but then once she was able to move past per past prejudices she had made an honest effort at it. She had grown to love Arnav and had admitted it.

Arnav doesn't realize it but the dynamics of his marriage and relationship with Khushi has shifted never to be the same by his refusal to be honest. Khushi sees the shift because she feels her feeling shifting. She understood that he is not being completely honest and would have been ready to give him time. But I think what hurts her is the fact that Arnav did not give her enough credit by not even considering that she would see past his bull shitting.

Is love everything? Can there be love without respect and honesty? Can there be love if you do not trust your partner enough to share what you are, what you think. But most importantly can there be love when you do not involve the other person in decisions which will be critical for you as an individual and your relationship. Can love exist on its own without the respect for an individual and their abilities and emotions?

You know as this story progresses I have time and again kind of found myself thinking about Mahabharata. Strange I know. But it is so. The power games, the play for control, the prejudices, undying loyalty, women though central to the story yet being used and abused in ways more than one by the men. All this and much more reminds me of the age old tale.

Originally posted by: vgedin

Oh the Mahabharata! I remember I couldn't help but draw parallels every time KBV or Arnav show their true colors ever so subtly. And the underlying power play involving Arnav & Khushi's relationship and KBV's concerns about Indira. The fact that Arnav and KBV are both master manipulators leaves me with an uneasy feeling. Not just the Mahabharata. There were bits that reminded me of Arthashastra. The intrinsic male chauvinism in several male characters and characters like Khan and Aman only probe that further.

I love how you've raised the question regarding love and respect. There is no definite answer. In this story, Khushi manages to have it her way for routine things because she is highly intelligent and bull headed. Otherwise, she doesn't have any real power in their relationship.

You are also right when you mention that their relationship is based heavily on a physical relationship and is less rooted in emotions and trust. At least from Arnav's side. But he isn't quite the talker. He expresses his love the best way he knows. Whether it is enough or not is something one cannot say. But his need to control everything, unilaterally deciding what is right for their relationship is unacceptable. Khushi has given it her 100% since the time she decided to make their marriage work. And that has not been reciprocated in the way it should be. Why wouldn't she feel defeated ?

Originally posted by: thebluewhale

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I loved how you have been able to crystallize my thoughts. I think you have been able to put it more clearly.

Also now that you point out there's more to KBV. He is also a character that one cannot sideline in this story.

And I am so looking forward to Indira's rise and to what lengths KBV will go to stall it. She is the woman who is trying to make the best of what life has thrown at her. And she is not being self-centred about it. All the women in that husehold can benefit from a strong minded and i dont mean bull-headed woman.

The more I think the more I feel can it even be called love - what Arnav feels for Khushi? Isnt love all about cherishing the other person - all of them - not just their body but the mind and the soul.

What happened between Khushi and Suraj has nothing to do with Arnav. I dont understand how can that be compared to Arnav hiding the reasons for this marriage.

P.S. And I have to find myself a copy of Arthashastra :) Havent read it yet.

i wish things doesnt go back to like their initial days of marriage..none of them can be blamed for this situation..Arnav doesnt want to come out of this hard earned bliss and khushi wants to know the real reason..both are right in thier own ways..I baaadly want this mess to be cleared soon!