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Posted: 12 years ago
he kinda shared his feelings.. loved the update...
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Posted: 12 years ago
I like Pallavi a lot. She is so insightful and collected at all times...She reminds me of the way Harry compared Dumbledore's gaze with an X-Ray machine.I really want her to end up with some good guy or else it will be just too...sad.

I think that Kashi has started to understand Arnav well...She knew that Arnav was getting uncomfortable with talking about Anjali and hence to cover up the awkwardness she left that parting remark.

Nothing like shared sorrows to help form a bond. :-)

PS-I think very soon I am going to run out of creative ways to say that the updates are awesome.😆


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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: seoulbeats

I like Pallavi a lot. She is so insightful and collected at all times...She reminds me of the way Harry compared Dumbledore's gaze with an X-Ray machine.I really want her to end up with some good guy or else it will be just too...sad.

I think that Kashi has started to understand Arnav well...She knew that Arnav was getting uncomfortable at talking about Anjali and hence to cover up the awkwardness she left that parting remark.

Nothing like shared sorrows to help form a bond. :-)

PS-I think very soon I am going to run out of creative ways to say that the updates are awesome.😆



Dumbledore... sigh*
Edited by -publicenemy- - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
ahh, i love it when they bond. this chapter was so touching! i lost my sister too, so i really felt their pain.
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Posted: 12 years ago
The juxtaposition with which Kashi and Pallavi treat their deceased brother's belongings - with reverence almost - completely lies in contrast with Arnav's, "I burnt them" way. Yet both feel their loss so deeply and keenly...the memories are still there for both, doesn't matter whether there are no clothes or photos to touch...to see.

There are too many ghosts - too many intangible yet once vital or important connections at that house, like everyone who tread there before the current inhabitants - everyone who had some role to play (even Anjali's eyes perhaps!) - have left their imprint. No wonder Arnav feels their weight at the thought of being alone - it would scare me! Or maybe it's because Arnav is a man?! Is the house cursed?!!

Another recurring theme: what is reality and what is the result of perception? The latter can be made to certainly feel real, especially if there is consensus (normally among one's peers or society at large) on that perception. Which makes me wonder how a rational man rooted in logic like Arnav is slowly finding himself mired in the myths, curses and sorcery of the house. Because I think he's slowly sinking into the quagmire of it...just my opinion.

Love how Arnav cajoled Khushi in to feeling the one emotion she feels most comfortable with! Now if only she can find her own slice of shantam...

ETA: sorry for the long comment and if it doesn't completely make sense - I felt like mentally spewing tonight, but I'm tired too! 🥱
Edited by moomin4455 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: moomin4455

The juxtaposition with which Kashi and Pallavi treat their deceased brother's belongings - with reverence almost - completely lies in contrast with Arnav's, "I burnt them" way. Yet both feel their loss so deeply and keenly...the memories are still there for both, doesn't matter whether there are no clothes or photos to touch...to see.


There are too many ghosts - too many intangible yet once vital or important connections at that house, like everyone who tread there before the current inhabitants - everyone who had some role to play (even Anjali's eyes perhaps!) - have left their imprint. No wonder Arnav feels their weight at the thought of being alone - it would scare me! Or maybe it's because Arnav is a man?! Is the house cursed?!!

Another recurring theme: what is reality and what is the result of perception? The latter can be made to certainly feel real, especially if there is consensus (normally among one's peers or society at large) on that perception. Which makes me wonder how a rational man rooted in logic like Arnav is slowly finding himself mired in the myths, curses and sorcery of the house. Because I think he's slowly sinking into the quagmire of it...just my opinion.

Love how Arnav cajoled Khushi in to feeling the one emotion she feels most comfortable with! Now if only she can find her own slice of shantam...

ETA: sorry for the long comment and if it doesn't completely make sense - I felt like mentally spewing tonight, but I'm tired too! 🥱

Arnav didn't burn his sister's clothes because... well he wanted to. Some people feel grief too greatly, and grief reverts a man back to his baser instincts. Take me for example. When I am very sad, I close up, and generally make sure nobody comes around me when I am at my most vulnerable.
Similarly, Arnav's base instinct is that of selfishness. And this selfishness refused to let him see that his sister's eyes could actually help someone. That it was something his sister would have wanted, had she been their. Hence, he kicked up a storm in the hospital, with Kashi in line of sight. And it was in this fit of selfishness that made him burn his sister's clothes. Not because he wanted to be with her. To an extent, yes he wanted to die as well. But seeing that was not possible, he did the nest best thing. In his eyes, anyway. He made sure that his sister's memory remained untouched by other people.
Kashi and Pallavi, on the other hand treat their brothers clothes with a deference a devotee usually reserves for the deity.
You were right. Methods different, feelings same. Kind of like when Khushi and Mami wanted to avoid detection by the CCTV camera. Khushi was all practical and Mami... she well... she was mami.
I don't even know WHY I wanted to explain your point. Seriously, ignore if it doesn't make sense.
Love,
V
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: V323

Arnav didn't burn his sister's clothes because... well he wanted to. Some people feel grief too greatly, and grief reverts a man back to his baser instincts. Take me for example. When I am very sad, I close up, and generally make sure nobody comes around me when I am at my most vulnerable.
Similarly, Arnav's base instinct is that of selfishness. And this selfishness refused to let him see that his sister's eyes could actually help someone. That it was something his sister would have wanted, had she been their. Hence, he kicked up a storm in the hospital, with Kashi in line of sight. And it was in this fit of selfishness that made him burn his sister's clothes. Not because he wanted to be with her. To an extent, yes he wanted to die as well. But seeing that was not possible, he did the nest best thing. In his eyes, anyway. He made sure that his sister's memory remained untouched by other people.
Kashi and Pallavi, on the other hand treat their brothers clothes with a deference a devotee usually reserves for the deity.
You were right. Methods different, feelings same. Kind of like when Khushi and Mami wanted to avoid detection by the CCTV camera. Khushi was all practical and Mami... she well... she was mami.
I don't even know WHY I wanted to explain your point. Seriously, ignore if it doesn't make sense.
Love,
V


If Kashi cannot stand to see another man wear her brother's clothes (notwithstanding that the man is not exactly on her Favorite People list), then imagine what it is to see someone take your sibling's eyes (whatever the greater need maybe). I don't know that we have to reach for selfishness to explain the phenomenon...

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: moomin4455

The juxtaposition with which Kashi and Pallavi treat their deceased brother's belongings - with reverence almost - completely lies in contrast with Arnav's, "I burnt them" way. Yet both feel their loss so deeply and keenly...the memories are still there for both, doesn't matter whether there are no clothes or photos to touch...to see.


There are too many ghosts - too many intangible yet once vital or important connections at that house, like everyone who tread there before the current inhabitants - everyone who had some role to play (even Anjali's eyes perhaps!) - have left their imprint. No wonder Arnav feels their weight at the thought of being alone - it would scare me! Or maybe it's because Arnav is a man?! Is the house cursed?!!

Another recurring theme: what is reality and what is the result of perception? The latter can be made to certainly feel real, especially if there is consensus (normally among one's peers or society at large) on that perception. Which makes me wonder how a rational man rooted in logic like Arnav is slowly finding himself mired in the myths, curses and sorcery of the house. Because I think he's slowly sinking into the quagmire of it...just my opinion.

Love how Arnav cajoled Khushi in to feeling the one emotion she feels most comfortable with! Now if only she can find her own slice of shantam...

ETA: sorry for the long comment and if it doesn't completely make sense - I felt like mentally spewing tonight, but I'm tired too! 🥱


When is reality ever independent of perception. Even when you try to isolate the two by the most stringent experimental methods, you still have to account for the fact that your ability to take in and process any experience is (whether it is as concrete as what a table feels like under your finger to something abstract as how you interpret the course of life), generally speaking, entirely defined by the parameters of your senses and your thinking. Hence, it would be hard-pressed to make a case of how reality would ever be an entity completely separate from perception.

But your point is well-taken... whose perception has merit ultimately determines many things. Even in your argument, there is this contradiction. "Is the house cursed?" and "how a rational man rooted in logic like Arnav is slowly finding himself mired in the myths, curses and sorcery of the house. Because I think he's slowly sinking into the quagmire of it...just my opinion."

How do you know which is which? Is everything unexplained illogical? How would you ever know except from your own experience? And just because it's your own experience (and hence, your reality), does it make it other's experience (and thus, their reality)?

Just playing devil's advocate here instead of writing the next update 😉

You guys keep discussing and maybe the next update will come to me reading all your wonderful debates... :)

-Devi
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: -publicenemy-


When is reality ever independent of perception. Even when you try to isolate the two by the most stringent experimental methods, you still have to account for the fact that your ability to take in and process any experience is (whether it is as concrete as what a table feels like under your finger to something abstract as how you interpret the course of life), generally speaking, entirely defined by the parameters of your senses and your thinking. Hence, it would be hard-pressed to make a case of how reality would ever be an entity completely separate from perception.

But your point is well-taken... whose perception has merit ultimately determines many things. Even in your argument, there is this contradiction. "Is the house cursed?" and "how a rational man rooted in logic like Arnav is slowly finding himself mired in the myths, curses and sorcery of the house. Because I think he's slowly sinking into the quagmire of it...just my opinion."

How do you know which is which? Is everything unexplained illogical? How would you ever know except from your own experience? And just because it's your own experience (and hence, your reality), does it make it other's experience (and thus, their reality)?

Just playing devil's advocate here instead of writing the next update 😉

You guys keep discussing and maybe the next update will come to me reading all your wonderful debates... :)

-Devi


But of course! It's a case of the quantum mechanics conundrum on an everyday level: I see, or perceive therefore I alter the experiment 😛! Reality is such a strange concept, with so many layers. It's amazing that any of us humans agree on anything. Reality and truth change with the passing of time, with age with experience - those words to me can never be as clear cut as laid out in the dictionary. On that basis, considering our understanding of most things in the universe is nebulous, how can the unexplained be illogical?

Coming back to that house I could totally see myself as Arnav being mystified, slightly amused and yet just a teensy bit worried/scared about that house...primarily because I think that house is helping him to become more like himself. Maybe he's not being sucked into it all, maybe he's just discarding the layers of protectiveness that he's put around himself since tragedy struck him at an early age...???

Whether that will make him still eager to buy the place and convert it into a retreat for the wealthy remains to be seen - it's only been a few days!

And don't worry - I'm replying to this post instead of working on my PhD - if that's not procrastination I don't know what is!
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: V323

Arnav didn't burn his sister's clothes because... well he wanted to. Some people feel grief too greatly, and grief reverts a man back to his baser instincts. Take me for example. When I am very sad, I close up, and generally make sure nobody comes around me when I am at my most vulnerable.
Similarly, Arnav's base instinct is that of selfishness. And this selfishness refused to let him see that his sister's eyes could actually help someone. That it was something his sister would have wanted, had she been their. Hence, he kicked up a storm in the hospital, with Kashi in line of sight. And it was in this fit of selfishness that made him burn his sister's clothes. Not because he wanted to be with her. To an extent, yes he wanted to die as well. But seeing that was not possible, he did the nest best thing. In his eyes, anyway. He made sure that his sister's memory remained untouched by other people.
Kashi and Pallavi, on the other hand treat their brothers clothes with a deference a devotee usually reserves for the deity.
You were right. Methods different, feelings same. Kind of like when Khushi and Mami wanted to avoid detection by the CCTV camera. Khushi was all practical and Mami... she well... she was mami.
I don't even know WHY I wanted to explain your point. Seriously, ignore if it doesn't make sense.
Love,
V


I'm completely the same when it comes to sadness. I also know if anything happened to my sibling I would do exactly what this character of Arnav has done. I couldn't bear to look at clothes and belongings - to share anything with anyone. It would be highly disturbing as I can imagine it was for Arnav...

I just loved the way that both parties treat the memory of their loved ones with tender reverence, but deal with their loved ones' physical belongings in a different way. Just as with everything at KH, the sisters, as you said, treat their brother's belongings with devotion as one does with a deity. But then that is in keeping with the way most things are done in the house, so it's not surprising.

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