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Posted: 10 years ago
#41
I agree with everything you said...My biggest concerns were not focusing on the main story -the main issue was getting payal justice where that part was sidelined...where's payal nowadays? they could show some glimpse of her...also bad timing when other major serials are aired
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Posted: 10 years ago
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why do we need a male lead here who is not suppose to overshadow Shaurya or Durga but is suppose to literally rule the story line and take away most of the screen space?
HOnestly, Dev's character was always unwanted. He made no sense to me.

Dev and Durga was suppose to form an alliance but the makers concentrated on a frustrated hero which many love to admire. HIs love for Nitya and failure each minute bought him some sympathy and also TRP for the show makers.Even Akash was a strong character but he never overshadowed anyone. As long as the character sketch is well defined there should be no problem at all. Too much emphasis on a love story ruined the show.

The Dev_ nitya relationship never impressed me . I am a rational person and as a thriller fan I donot excuse bloopers and justify them by sympathetic failed or one-sided love story.

How come they are best buddies, so much that Nitya gave him a separate key to her house and she herself could enter his room anytime ?

How come no one noticed this relationship? Considering Sakshi is a class conscious person and Dev is 50 percent shareholder why Sakshi and Rajnath never thought that this relationship could be dangerous for them?

How did Nitya never realised her best friend loved her ?

Dev's account was hacked, he never knew about it ? What about Nitya's account ? Why didn't he try to send her a mail or even a letter ? It was 2012 in KOlkata.

How was Dev a bigger criminal to Nitya all because he didn't support her against his own family ?

And the most important question, What was the purpose of DevGa marriage ? What was the achievement ? Of course it made Dev more powerful but neither Dev nor Durga knew about it. Why did Dayal blackmail Dev to marry his daughter ? What objective does this marriage has in her revenge plan ?

Too many questions and no answer at all.



Edited by dey.bh - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: dey.bh

why do we need a male lead here who is not suppose to overshadow Shaurya or Durga but is suppose to literally rule the story line and take away most of the screen space?

HOnestly, Dev's character was always unwanted. He made no sense to me.

Dev and Durga was suppose to form an alliance but the makers concentrated on a frustrated hero which many love to admire. HIs love for Nitya and failure each minute bought him some sympathy and also TRP for the show makers.Even Akash was a strong character but he never overshadowed anyone. As long as the character sketch is well defined there should be no problem at all. Too much emphasis on a love story ruined the show.

The Dev_ nitya relationship never impressed me . I am a rational person and as a thriller fan I donot excuse bloopers and justify them by sympathetic failed or one-sided love story.

How come they are best buddies, so much that Nitya gave him a separate key to her house and she herself could enter his room anytime ?

How come no one noticed this relationship? Considering Sakshi is a class conscious person and Dev is 50 percent shareholder why Sakshi and Rajnath never thought that this relationship could be dangerous for them?

How did Nitya never realised her best friend loved her ?

Dev's account was hacked, he never knew about it ? What about Nitya's account ? Why didn't he try to send her a mail or even a letter ? It was 2012 in KOlkata.

How was Dev a bigger criminal to Nitya all because he didn't support her against his own family ?

And the most important question, What was the purpose of DevGa marriage ? What was the achievement ? Of course it made Dev more powerful but neither Dev nor Durga knew about it. Why did Dayal blackmail Dev to marry his daughter ? What objective does this marriage has in her revenge plan ?

Too many questions and no answer at all.




For your last two questions :

DevGa marriage :
For Durga & Dayal - Durga needed to enter Goenka Mansion to have a closer look at Sakshi's steps AND to protect Dev from evil Shaurya
For Sakshi - She needed to keep Durga in front of her eyes so that she can know what's she doing

I agree that some of your Qs are unexplained. But bloopers are allowed to some extent. But I don't agree with the fact that Dev's character is unnecessary. One thing is, he's a strong character who fights for the truth. He couldn't be successful till now, because he didn't know the truth and he was all alone. And also, there should be some whiteness in between all the black characters in the show. And Durga/Nitya should have a life out of all revenge thing.. The angle of love, friendship, strength are in the form of Dev + Nitya/Durga. Dev is the person who can give Durga/Nitya her life back. And he is the only person who can be as powerful (With name, respect, position in the society and Goenka Industries) as Sakshi and Rajnath, in order to give them a punch on their face.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#44
I agree Debs.

It made no sense at all.

His being away, unaware and lack of contact was all a huge blooper.

Goenkas are another blooper with crazy power and not taking action against each other all these years despite hating each other.

Plus story had neither proper suspense, nor social comment, nor justice. Not even any dharam sankat in going in against one's own. No mystery either. All was out in open, there were no layers. Rather it was frustrating how obvious things were being overlooked by characters.

When this Dev D had flashbacks of Durga in last episode I thought maybe he finally connected dots and wondered if Nitya was her. But nope! Again same nonsense of sach ka pata lagana padega!

Villains were suddenly made foolish. I mean who lets that person escape alive who knows his dirtiest secrets and has sworn revenge on them? Either you do not fallout with such a person in first place itself or you eliminate that person who knows too much.

There were no twists either. One 40 minute episode of Gumrah has more layers than EHT ever had. I was watching an episode in which first it looks like suicide, then it is revealed it is murder, first suspicion is on BF,then on another guy but finally the girl's own female room mate turns out to be the one who pushed her off the terrace and made it look like suicide! Social message, investigation procedure and suspense/drama, all covered in half an hour!

EHT has everything in open. Just no layers. Rather it is foolish how Durga keeps harping on Sakshi Goenka but not Rajnath who was equally party in cover up, neither Basu and Karan and other rapist boys! Suchitra readily changed colours now. More than fight for justice it just became a frustrated man's confused quest with women's cat fight inserted in between.

Indeed too many questions, which we kept thinking would be answered someday or lead to a twist but yielded no answers at all.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: atominis

It is evident they are rushing it to wind it up in advance. Star Plus gave them ultimatum.

Let's discuss what went wrong for EHT.

My opinion:

- Wrong time slot

You have JA, BV, DKDM at same slot. Then what set of viewers is left to give try to new EHT? Also EHT was bold in some ways. Not meant for 8 PM nor family audience.

- Poor casting of good side

Durga and Dayal are fine but Dev is like casting Amol Palekar in a Manmohan Desai/Prakash Mehra film! The actors cast for villain side are far more charismatic, talented than good ones. Dayal used to give it back to Goenkas in the best style. He was sidelined and blipped out. No wonder nobody bothered. Suchitra looks nice but is not a solid actor.

- Failure to uphold cause of battle

They failed to focus on higher cause. Ignoring Payal and heinous rape they made biggest mistake. People's empathy could not be maintained. For a long time from June onwards Durga did not even meet Payal. Who would have empathy then?
They killed all time with Dev-Nitya flashbacks but by not showing the girls' parents and their flashbacks, suffering and joys they failed to rope family audience and generate sense of what lead had lost.
It should have been about righteous cause. But it ended up as a cat fight and win for Durga instead of justice.
I personally feel cheated having watched basically a cock fight in guise of glamour and talks of justice.

- Weak hero and wastage of time in repetitive flashback

Dev should have remained in sidelines. Instead of hogging whole episodes with his stuck in headlights expression and same old flashbacks. The flashbacks never had any story to offer. No build up or value addition to narrative.
The way he ignored murder attempts on him, ignored how rude Goenkas were to him and his mom, ignored Shaurya's confession and threats, ignored going after his friends, believed in Nitya but did not accuse Shaurya and remained confused, it just made him an irritating character. Not heroic.

- Uneven pace

Sometimes slower than a bullock cart. And sometimes jet speed. Either frustrated audience or confused them. No proper continuity.

- Too many questions but little or no answers

They threw hints about real Durga Thakur, Dayal's guilt, Arnab Goenka, Shaurya's friends and their parents etc then later Rajnath, Raima, Sakshi, Akram. But failed to address each question they raised. Sakshi reminded Rajnath how she was aware of "har gunah" he had committed. Today his crimes are ignored. Neither was the mysterious old man with a limp shown, who Akash used to report to. Akash had recorded Durga's deeds too and nobody knows why. Why Durga was sitting on recording of Shaurya talking about Dev's murder and withheld RajMa video for so long etc, nothing addressed!

It kept throwing hints but never led to anything conclusive.

- Stupid, inexplicable twists:

Raj and Raima were true love. So why it took them 30 years to get that tape from Sakshi? They never even spied or followed her to orphanage? And this guy who can blackmail or shoot others could not bully a woman? Couldn't hold her at gunpoint and get tape instead of marrying her?
Ms Instincts Sakshi could never know of RajMa? Rajnath knew nothing about clauses in Arnab's will? Why is he bothered only now at Dev's increased share? He never suspected Dayal and Durga even though their behaviour was fishy? Even Raima suspected them once but he did not!
Akram was left alive nobody knew? Sakshi was from street or a criminal but nobody knew? Nowadays media digs out entire past of famous people. But nobody knew about Goenkas?
Payal was harassed and stripped by her rapists in swimming pool but nobody noticed? She was not at home till late but her parents had no idea? Lawyer is killed but nobody investigated his death?

Poorly executed twists with most obvious blunders and loopholes the size of manholes on roads! 😲

- Mockery of system

Yeah I know rich buy off the world. But not showing even a single honest doctor, policeman or journo was wrong and cynical on part of EHT team. Nobody stood up against Goenkas except Durga? BS!
And docs easily allow anyone to fight or plant cameras in hospital. Nobody objects?

- Over focus and excessive detailing of wrong deeds:

It was considered misleading and wrong for primetime TV. Whether plans of Goenkas or even Durga such as paralysing Shaurya and hitting at a specific place or feeding wrong medicines etc. Such details were scandalous for a prime time show on a family channel.

- Overuse of unethical means but not fair means

At times when people have seen Lalls and Mattoos creating a movement and not only getting justice but even new laws made, one would wonder why Thakurs are only plotting against Goenkas instead of using their wealth and resources to rally a movement against them! No online petitions, dharnas, rallying up NGOs, journos, social workers, former victims of Goenkas?
They might have arranged for safety of relatives of those who they exposed but it was not shown. The good ones in this show also ended up eliciting "Hain? Hai! Haww" from uncles and aunties with their actions.

- No clarity over theme

Is it love story? Is it revenge? Is it saas bahu? Is it family feud? Is it social drama? Is it about a mother vs a sister? They were just a khichdi. No clarity. Tried to do too much.

- Villains that were strong and couldn't fully antagonise public

Villains were much stronger than good side. Way better actors and way more charismatic and impactful than good side. On top of it they had best scenes, clothes, accessories, dialogues, one liners and back story. And even offered comic relief especially through Karan.
Their backstory was more layered than good ones. They ended up having their fans and even sympathisers (as in DurSha shippers) instead of people baying for their blood.
A weak good side ensured villains took cake. When you have Amrish Puri as villain you need Amitabh Bachchan as a perfect foil, not Amol Palekar!
When heroes are weak then only villains run the show and even get support.
Creating mixed emotions doesn't work in Indian audience on TV (though it does in films as Darr became huge).

- Hero winning only by chance

Times have changed now. People appreciate if one wins by own hardwork or brain instead of stroke of luck. Here villains are using brain. Whereas hero is just relying on luck, chance and stupid things like locket or teeka. Nobody roots for just a guy who was silly yet got lucky and won.
Nowadays even Durga relies on luck except for hospital drama.

- Ignoring heroine and her family:

Having Dev hog the show was blunder. Focus was diverted from Durga also. Her family was the firsthand victim. They deserved detailed flashbacks than wasting time on Dev or other frustrations of villains. Parents and sister create more empathy than a lover in case of family audience. And real victims anyday matter more than just a bichda premi.

- Excessive focus on lust:

Shaurya and his friends were disgusting. The dialogues and scenes were cheap. Rajnath using call girl to trap Shaurya was cheap. Rajnath's own sexacapdes with Raima were cheap too. Indian TV viewers do not appreciate such focus on lust.
Initially they even showed a gay businessman's pic with his BF. Too much of lust between all sexes.

- Sudden rush:

First they dragged like anything but now they are rushing. That is making this show an even bigger failure. What's use of etching characters but suddenly leaving loose ends, unanswered questions, flat narrative and suddenly bumping off villains like just sitting ducks?
And Suchitra never felt anything wrong till date but has learnt how crap Rajnath is, only now? She heard nothing, saw nothing all these years?

- Promised too much delivered too little:

Women empowerment, different show, every moment suspense etc they made too many claims but did nothing. Huge words like business tycoon, media, politics etc are used yet portrayal is so silly that even Enid Blyton's kiddie mysteries look better in comparison.
They confused audience. Sakshi was fighting as an overprotective mother. Today Shaurya is out and Sakshi is just cornered over her past. Rajnath killed someone yet the issue is of Sakshi's past? Heroine and her tragedy is sidelined to focus on villains' past? Main villain is ignored to focus on his parents' past?
What does rape have to do with parents' background? Blaming mummy daddy cannot erase rape.

It was a nice concept, had all glamour and solid cast but sorry to say it earned and invited failure.


There are many things that I agree and disagree here. First of all, even I believe Dev's character is not strong enough because he kept failing. But again, though we knew many things as audiences, Dev didn't know anything near to truth. So it's reasonable what was he doing.

And I can never accept the fact that the ACTOR who plays Dev is not good. He is one of the best actors in the show. Though Shaurya is the main lead, Vatsal who plays Shaurya, over acts most of the time. Bhuvnesh (Dev) is a very good actor compared to many other in the drama.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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To protect Dev from Shaurya ? Please explain ... Shaurya has no business with Dev until Durga started showing more interest on Dev. Basically marrying Dev put Dev into trouble with respect to Shaurya.
If I were Dayal or Durga I would have blackmailed Dev to keep away from all the Goenkas and the rape case if he wishes to meet Nitya in his life . It would have kept both the man and the show safe and sound.

What has entering the Goenka house changed in the revenge plan which only Mrs. Goenka could do but not Ms. Thakur ?

Having close look? What close look did she keep when she failed to calculate that Sakshi was all set to murder Raima ? Sakshi went, shoot Raima and came back to the same mansion and no one knew. My question was rather simple. How it helped or say what exactly was the plan that was executed ?

Why I say Dev was unnecessary because until the man himself entered the show the makers made no reference to him. Durga didn't had a single flashback of her so called buddy until he appeared. His family too didn' talk of him. Suddenly he appeared and took all the screen space telling how deeply he loved Nitya and how close they were as friends. Dev- Nitya story gave a different dimension to the story which dragged the story and now that the time to close the show is near they are doing all the important stories at the same time. We are now talking about Akram, rehmat, RajMa affair. What were we doing prior to that ? Yes, reading romantic diaries and singing songs!!!!

Sorry, a man's shoulder is not needed for woman to execute her plan. THe show promised us woman empowerment.

As for Dev didn't knew the truth, if a man born in such an influential family, having education in the best university doesn't understand why the smaller fish didn't survive while fighting the bigger fish, there can be no more debate in this matter.


Edited by dey.bh - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Meghani

I hope you must have seen several threads in this forum in past in which very obvious things were pointed out which Dev totally ignored.

It is not that we as audience knew it all but Dev couldn't even see obvious things!

I disagree Durga needed power and status which could come only through Dev. First of all why only name and status are needed to get justice? Second she had status and name thanks to Dayal who was a well respected doc and had all high and mighty chasing him for that cancer research deal. Not for nothing were Goenkas tolerating Thakurs and letting them cross limits even before Dev's entry in the show.

It is not only Dev's name that can give power to Durga. She took down all targets earlier with money, power and resources that Dayal Thakur gave to her. In fact marriage to Dev only sidetracked her. She was never able to see what Sakshi was upto. Otherwise Dev would not be framed by Sakshi. She was sidetracked herself in trying to save Dev. Today also when she is plotting to get other rapists it is in Dayal's house and with his help. Not with Mr Dev.

Lastly, you may disagree but honestly Bhuvnesh is not upto the mark. Especially his dialogue delivery is absolute sore thumb.
Vatsal's acting suits his character because Shaurya is anyway supposed to be a good for nothing guy who only boasts and boasts but has nothing to him except merry making on dad's money. So he gets excused despite his hamming.

Dev types can be at best side characters in a show like EHT, and not hog the whole show in their befuddled state.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#48
i dnt think durga ever needed dev or any other male's shoulder or support..she got more than plenty of it from dayal thakur...in fact till dev maroed an entry, she was straight on track, having crisp plans and crisper backup plans..dev not only side-tracked the whole mission coz of her misplaced sense of betrayal but also created faltu ke issues like shaurya vs dev etc..her marriage into goenka house, whether to shaurya/dev/rajnath or tom/jerry was unnecessary and pointless..all she did after the wedding was roam around like a bhatakti aatma and evesdrop onto stupid conversations..she did more as Ms. Thakur than as Mrs. Goenka..

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