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ekta15

@ekta15

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Posted: 9 years ago

#51

i liked your perspective on how shravan still can get along with young sumo. he is just looking for her even if he is angry at her disinterest nature of past.her jovial nature is what he adores most.

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chicksoup

@chicksoup

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Posted: 9 years ago

#52

Originally posted by: sanfan

Just that I felt the script was clear that it was not her dependence on him...because that is precisely what he had taunted her with..Congrats! Finally you are married!

In reality, she had wanted to talk it out with him...and when he suddenly changed his decision she had asked him why...so she had to GO BY HER VAGUE FEELING that he still felt something for her at least as a friend, since he didn't do it UNDER PRESSURE. That is how Suman's thought process was given, if we look at the continuity of scenes. It appears as if she had made a decision not because she was pressurised, but for a moment she had hoped THIS IS WHAT HE WANTED TOO after he thought with a clear mind. He had been very earnest when he said he was under no pressure.

Of course, they both married for love...

But what I am trying to point out is, she wanted to discuss it with Shravan because there was pressure from mami...but when she agreed, she gave him one more chance to withdraw...They really talked like two mature adults then...which is why Suman had started weaving her dreams around her wedding, because Shravan had decided to marry her after one night's reflection.

No. The Q was not directed at you...But I wonder why Suman is misunderstood so much by the forum as a whole...I find myself tearing my hair apart to know why Shravan has so many advocates and Suman has few! 😆

That specific instance...any girl with self respect would have walked away..You want to hide your magnanimosity, FINE! You want to keep me in the dark, Fine! Don't you at least owe me the truth?

I found that behaviour from Shravan quite mechanical...though he turned around in his own sweet way later on. But what struck me is, how Suman had sacrificed her self respect when she took that step towards reconciliation. What on earth made her do that! That was a giant step for Suman..a leap of faith, I'd say.

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chicksoup

@chicksoup

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Posted: 9 years ago

#53

Originally posted by: --Ekta--
i liked your perspective on how shravan still can get along with young sumo. he is just looking for her even if he is angry at her disinterest nature of past.her jovial nature is what he adores most.

Thanks.

Aww..These two were just too adorable! ❤️

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646714

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Posted: 9 years ago

#54

Wonderful discussion Rekha you and I see Shravan differently and chick you like sumo more 😆 it happens

But to say Shravan used Suman as a crutch and Suman didn't is kind of a lie cause these two needed each other since they met
two lovely individuals found their belonging between themselves
there's no one parasite here it's a mutual osmosis 😆

The sumo that you wrote about doesn't exist without Shravan there's only Suman Tiwari without Shravan Suman who's feels indebted to her Nanu her Mami her Maasi and to an extent the PCT women too she's a docile easily subdued person without Shravan it's he who brings out her sumoness

Here we all are saying either that one deserves the other or that one doesn't deserve the other but the fact is unlike us these two do t have such a doubt

As for sumo blindly signing the dotted lines it was her Bharosa in her Chashmish the guy who stood up for when Aditya did the kaand the guy who fought for her despite telling that the Suman Tiwari is no longer his friend no longer his sumo even after all that he told her whole destroying her passion her dream that day she saw right through Shravan the wedding morning that her Chashmish is still there alive and as always gets sirf hers it's that confidence that made her sign it not that sumo did a favour for Shravan if ever we bring up debt sumo should be indebted to this man child who's been waiting for her all his life patiently yes he erred but yesterday it was clear all he wants is Sumos acknowledgement of his existence it's her indifference that hurts him.

The boy was proud when Nanu told you have a beautiful bride he's has never looked at her or her physical beauty ever of course he's A grown up man with normally functioning hormones who won't look at at a beautiful girl but the physical aspect is not what led him to write that letter asking is this love the physical beauty is not what made him tell her you are different from other women you are My Masterchef you are my sumo add your own touch .Man Child saw through the Real woman the woman he knows he has erred the woman he knows is his alone his to love to fight and who knows even to make babies!!!

These two go beyond their differences their trust and Haq on each other goes way beyond what we as viewers understand we can rant and discuss and whine or try uplifting one person over the other but Shravan and Sumo will be saying guys there's no Shravan without sumo and there's no Sumo without Shravan

Edited by Dreamer-89 - 9 years ago

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sanfan

@sanfan

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Posted: 9 years ago

#55

Chick...

Ok...I have maintained all along...for me this story works only when both characters work...EDKV..

I get the motivations of both characters...naturally since this story is Sumo centric in its perspective...there will be a greater tilt to her characterisation...so she will shine more than Shravan...thats a given..

While I like Sumo as a character...I am not blind to her faults..for me she is acceptable with her faults. I feel the writer has been brave to build a character that is real.She is egoistic... For me, it is acceptable that Sumo expects Shravan to understand her without having to verbalise or verbalising beyond a point. I accept that she has tried in the past to make him understand that she cannot undo the past (or the image he has of her) and has given up trying. Its natural when in love to have these expectations..to want to be accepted without preconceived notions. Also she is more forgiving of the two. She can repose trust in him easily as compared to him but then again I also know why Shravan finds it hard to have trust. Yes...there are situations where her actions would seem indecipherable but in hindsight I have been able to rationalise most. the others are in the category of Plot twists or compulsions...for instance why did Sumo not react to Adi being Nir' son..(her empathy should not be visible at this stage 😆) .it is the same as why Shravan went to TK and gave the PCT papers in a huff...(becos Sumo had to reject them 😆)

On why there are less advocates of Sumo...Sumo character's motivations are less visible...U have to accept the base characteristics completely before u can see her what she is. A lot of us...tend to build in expectations from a character while we comment on them. For instance, why did Sumo leave for PCT...we had a raging debate on it. I found it extremely logical that Sumo will react that way after the slight at the courtroom and the disappearance of Shravan so I refrain from the judgement but people react to the situation...saying look she says she wants to work at the relationship so why is she doing this? But the fact remains that Sumo has the intention but that does not mean she will give up her character trait of being circumspect about such a thing.

Shravan is easy to sympathise only becos this is a love story and his motivations are very apparent. So he gets the empathy. However, the same people who sympathise also find his boorishness irritating..naturally a person who tends to bend in a love story gets the vote becos that is what it appears to the onlooker...we have to dig deep to see who has done the actual bending.

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chicksoup

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Posted: 9 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: sanfan
Chick...
Ok...I have maintained all along...for me this story works only when both characters work...EDKV..

I get the motivations of both characters...naturally since this story is Sumo centric in its perspective...there will be a greater tilt to her characterisation...so she will shine more than Shravan...thats a given..

While I like Sumo as a character...I am not blind to her faults..for me she is acceptable with her faults. I feel the writer has been brave to build a character that is real.She is egoistic... For me, it is acceptable that Sumo expects Shravan to understand her without having to verbalise or verbalising beyond a point. I accept that she has tried in the past to make him understand that she cannot undo the past (or the image he has of her) and has given up trying. Its natural when in love to have these expectations..to want to be accepted without preconceived notions. Also she is more forgiving of the two. She can repose trust in him easily as compared to him but then again I also know why Shravan finds it hard to have trust. Yes...there are situations where her actions would seem indecipherable but in hindsight I have been able to rationalise most. the others are in the category of Plot twists or compulsions...for instance why did Sumo not react to Adi being Nir' son..(her empathy should not be visible at this stage 😆) .it is the same as why Shravan went to TK and gave the PCT papers in a huff...(becos Sumo had to reject them 😆)

On why there are less advocates of Sumo...Sumo character's motivations are less visible...U have to accept the base characteristics completely before u can see her what she is. A lot of us...tend to build in expectations from a character while we comment on them. For instance, why did Sumo leave for PCT...we had a raging debate on it. I found it extremely logical that Sumo will react that way after the slight at the courtroom and the disappearance of Shravan so I refrain from the judgement but people react to the situation...saying look she says she wants to work at the relationship so why is she doing this? But the fact remains that Sumo has the intention but that does not mean she will give up her character trait of being circumspect about such a thing.

Shravan is easy to sympathise only becos this is a love story and his motivations are very apparent. So he gets the empathy. However, the same people who sympathise also find his boorishness irritating..naturally a person who tends to bend in a love story gets the vote becos that is what it appears to the onlooker...we have to dig deep to see who has done the actual bending.

Well said! 👏 And @bold- True that!

Adi being Nir son...IDK. Sumo had this heavy load of nanau being sick and Shravan disowning her...two twin disasters for her...how much do you expect her to empathise with Shravan at this point when he he has continuously behaved throughout the wedding as if he was out to judge her and has now passed teh verdict on her character! 😕

It is not even self preservation..There is only so much you can FUNCTION when you are at your lowest!

I loved what U wrote about Suman and Shravan... I am not blind to Suman's faults either...just that I can see her trying really hard...often that goes unnoticed precisely because Shravan never notices it. 😆

@ Dreamer: I am not saying Suman didn't use Shravan as a crutch..Both are welcome to expect that of each other...Just that of the two, I wish Suman got more support from Shravan than the other way around...simply because she has always been a giver and never a receiver...That would be Shravan's pride of right to offer her...as he rightly said about his haq to offer her dream PCT! 👍🏼 Suman did try to use him as a crutch when she injured her foot and when nanu fell sick...both times he tried to maintain a distance..so she stopped expecting.

..though we knew how exactly he felt for her both these times.

I don't think either me or Rekha or most of us, or even you are supporters of any one character..I guess we enjoy the POVs of both the protagonists.

The purpose of this discussion is def not to put down Shavan, but to understand Suman a bit better since Rekha said it rightly..we have to dig deeper! 😉

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sanfan

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Posted: 9 years ago

#57

Originally posted by: chicksoup

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chicksoup

@chicksoup

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Posted: 9 years ago

#58

Originally posted by: sanfan

Hmm..
Actually you already answered my biggest WHY? Why is it that people don't get Sumo the way she is written...It is because Shravan is an open book and it is easier to read him. You solved what had been the biggest puzzle to me in the forum.

You are right. When it comes to Suman, I am so attuned to her. I don't even have to dig deeper...despite the fact that Shravan is the one who warms my heart and makes me go awww...all our hearts...😉😳

Actually, it is not about Suman being an orphan that I can sympathise with her more. It is who she is, despite what life has thrown her way that makes me respect her. The insecurity part- she is yet to manifest that aspect. Right now, it is DUTY more than insecurity. And it is not even a burden according to her. Her mother would have done anything for her family...now she has the twin responsibilities of carrying her legacy as well as repaying the family for what they did for her and even her mom...So far, I have not seen her insecurity except for when she fears how she'd be orphaned again when Nanu goes...that is a feeling I can empathise with..only because of who she is. Because she doesn't demand anything from anyone, yet is always willing to give.

Family support- Except for Nanu, I wouldn't even call her mamaji supportive. He is a mute empathiser and doesn't help...not that Suman is asking for support from them..she feels more INDEBTED than Insecure, so she asks for support only from ONE PERSON...and she doesn't want to ever feel indebted to that person!

It is not about who is right or wrong...when I wrote I was disappointed with Shravan's level of dependency on his dad, I was talking about how emotionally crippled he was. I can understand his reasons, and empathise with him too...but after a point, I start wishing the character grows up. That is because Suman has accepted her own circumstances more readily. Yes, she was insecure as a teenager, but she has learned to deal with that as she grew up to be responsible!

The way I see it now, they are not at the same wavelength. Couples don't necessarily start that way, but they will grow towards it...

Emotional Dependence on Ramnath is a hindrance to exploring Suman on his own...that is why I have issues with it. (He seems to be over that already, and thankfully Ramnath has started realising his mistake too, at least subconsciously...)Otherwise, I hope everyone sorts out all their issues and they are one big happy family at the end of the show...I want a happily ever after for all of them. 😆

Yeah. Nice discussion after a long time! 🤗

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sanfan

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: chicksoup

Looks like it just me and u on this thread afflicted with the malady of 'word' diahorrea 😆😆

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Sheesh

@glassdoor

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Posted: 9 years ago

#60

'word' diarrhoea ? Don't press flush please. I am a slow reader. 😆

Interesting discussion about Sumo.

Personally I like Suman because she does not have the halo.

Let me quote Kangana Ranaut, the great. Although I think her ideals, ideas and morals are seriously twisted some of her words are priceless like below:

"There are two kinds of people in this world. People pleaser and self-pleaser. I happen to be the latter category."

Sumo too is a self-pleaser. She has her own staunch principles and ideals which act as fodder for her self-esteem. And it is to protect this self-esteem that she behaves the way she does.

In short, she still cares about image. But only how she appears to herself in the mirror. Not to anybody else. She does care about other people but ultimately she is a bit self-absorbed.

This is the way she is different from the Khushis, IPS+housewife+all-in-one superladies etc.

Coming to the vision, I am still trying to guess what the makers overarching vision is:

Is it the story of a strong independent no-nonsense woman fighting against the big bad world which somehow includes her husband who secretly loves her?

Is it the story of an actually weak emotional independent appearing woman trying to please and prove herself to her misogynistic husband?

Is it the story of a strong independent no-nonsense woman fighting against the big bad world while her husband is her pillar of support?

OR complete opposite

Is it the story of a sensitive innocent man trying to grab the attention of his independent wife?

Which one is it? Sometimes I don't get what is the conflict in this whole tale. If I get this part I think I can watch the serial in peace. 😆