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Posted: 9 years ago
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competely agree..Ur Words are Magical
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Chick, Rekha, Nith,
Beautiful words... How wonderfully you all have described this scenario...
Shravan would bend, he would cover the remaining distance if only Sumo takes the first step, one step... All his life Shravan wanted only one thing...Sumo completely invested in him just like he was..

Rekha,
You think Ram was genuine? Can anyone change so drastically in such a short time? I find him odd these days... Mostly bcz his actions don't add up... Sometimes I feel he is concerned for Shravan's happiness but then he is the one systematically destroying it.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Roshni2015

Chick, Rekha, Nith,

Beautiful words... How wonderfully you all have described this scenario...
Shravan would bend, he would cover the remaining distance if only Sumo takes the first step, one step... All his life Shravan wanted only one thing...Sumo completely invested in him just like he was..

Rekha,
You think Ram was genuine? Can anyone change so drastically in such a short time? I find him odd these days... Mostly bcz his actions don't add up... Sometimes I feel he is concerned for Shravan's happiness but then he is the one systematically destroying it.

Rosh ! I actually agree with Rekha, they are keeping him grey and I am thankful for that 😃
If we think carefully, Ramnath and Sumo are on the same side now. Whatever he may be, Ramnath is a loving father, I give him that. His issue with Sumo has always been Nirmala and her traits and his misconception of what an independent woman is. He has not changed yet but he will not come in between them, thats my thought.
Rekha will definitely be able to explain it better 😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: nith125



Where did she go indeed ? Shravan is the creator and his Sumo is his creation. Sumo's traits may have existed before Shravan, but he was the one who gave it a name, an identity which she didn't have before. The issue is that when Shravan left, Sumo disappeared. And Shravan searches for her, not knowing that there is no Sumo without him, there never can be, there never will be.
So Shravan has to look within to find Sumo and Sumo has to look within to find Shravan. Long back I remember mentioning this on some post. This relationship may have started as a symbiotic one, but the result of their separation is actually an assimilation. Their personalities have intergated in such a way, that the younger Sumo's traits are visible in adult Shravan and younger Shravan's in adult Sumo's 😊


Nith...a beautiful interpretation..👏👏..The most beautiful part of this story is their childhood/teenage bond..nothing can replicate that bond..not even their relationship from now on, however beautiful it may be..all their answers are there in the bond in the past. Nanu while giving his blessings made a prophetic statement. Half your battle is won becos of your dosti, he said. These have to dig into that memory box ( i don't mean the physical one..for me the physical one is actually a metaphor of their relationship) That memory box eludes Shravan becos there is a chasm that divides the two...the older and younger selves. The day he will find Sumo, he will find the memory box not the other way round.


Brilliance CVs ! How I wish EKDV was a book 😳

Well for me its a book...not a serial...😊

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: nith125

Chick 😊

Beautifully written as always ! (Is there a way I can automatically add this comment right after you post ? 😉)

Where did she go indeed ? Shravan is the creator and his Sumo is his creation. Sumo's traits may have existed before Shravan, but he was the one who gave it a name, an identity which she didn't have before. The issue is that when Shravan left, Sumo disappeared. And Shravan searches for her, not knowing that there is no Sumo without him, there never can be, there never will be.
So Shravan has to look within to find Sumo and Sumo has to look within to find Shravan. Long back I remember mentioning this on some post. This relationship may have started as a symbiotic one, but the result of their separation is actually an assimilation. Their personalities have intergated in such a way, that the younger Sumo's traits are visible in adult Shravan and younger Shravan's in adult Sumo's 😊


Brilliance CVs ! How I wish EKDV was a book 😳



this is it- Nith, awesome😛




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Posted: 9 years ago
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Brilliant post chick! Something thoughts bothering me after watching the scene...Was Shravan looking for 'his Sumo' or was he looking 'for himself'? The man had opened his heart enough to love without any restraint only to be devastated and in that moment he was changed - a part of him was lost - he was (and is) no longer whole.

Who we were and who we are
are four different people,
and the me from now
doesn't relate to the me from then,
let alone to the you from now...

There's only one person who could show him the way to find himself - 'Sumo' and there she was trying to do exactly the same :)


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: nith125

Rosh ! I actually agree with Rekha, they are keeping him grey and I am thankful for that 😃
If we think carefully, Ramnath and Sumo are on the same side now. Whatever he may be, Ramnath is a loving father, I give him that. His issue with Sumo has always been Nirmala and her traits and his misconception of what an independent woman is. He has not changed yet but he will not come in between them, thats my thought.
Rekha will definitely be able to explain it better 😊


Thanks Nith for the vote of confidence 😆 hope I can explain Ram...
...for me if this is a finite series...Ram will remain grey...I don't see him turning black at all.

Like Chick said...for me Ram was revealed pretty much through the Urvashi episode. He did not support Shravan's shenanigans...despite his avowed skewed understanding of women in general. I also saw him in direct conflict with Sumo due to two aspects..her work and her involvement with Shravan ( from the Nirmala angle). Her bringing together Shravan and Nirmala put them on diff sides else he would have just been content to "disregard" her or "tolerate" her. Before that she was not in his periphery of vision...She was his guru's nathin...nothing more nothing less..She entered his periphery of vision at the day when she brought Nir to the court.

In EDKV, it is important to understand, the writers are not getting judgemental about any of their characters...they are simply presenting their perspectives of characters based on their experiences in life. For instance, everyone has an issue with Preeti...but then again, we have not bothered to see...she is fashioned by her experiences in life. She has had a pampered upbringing...she has not had to ever sacrifice her needs for anyone. does not make her selfish or self-centred? Maybe yes, maybe not, becos she has hardly ever been tested. Her first instinct on knowing about Ram was...why did you do this...it was not correct to do this..we could have worked out differently...Thats how she is. She is well meaning but not necessarily introspective or complexed to the extent of action about these things. However, she also has a conscience and a sense of self-preservation...it will come to light sooner or later..this is my reading, which is why I call her the safekeeper of secrets.

Coming to Ram, he is a fool (other choicest names too) no doubt about that. If you all go back to the episode where Nirmala thunders in the FB, tearing up the divorce and saying the parchayee comment...He is flabbergasted...It is not what he expected...and truth be told, he is since then living in fear...that fear that causes him to commit errors of judgement. Yesterday...his comment about what else can one do...we have to accept it...is typical of a person who has fought the inevitable and now accepted defeat. Though Shraman's antics can cause his major acidity...😆😆 but if they are happy...he wouldn't want anything more than that..is also my assessment.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Rekha
Believe me, I do want to trust your judgement on Ram.. But for whatever I have seen of Ram, I can't bring myself to trust him. I do agree he is a loving father... But his ego is the thing he holds dearest... He has his skewed beliefs, maybe he wants his son's happiness too... But he has only destroyed it so far... So how can the man change suddenly...
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Originally posted by: Roshni2015

Rekha

Believe me, I do want to trust your judgement on Ram.. But for whatever I have seen of Ram, I can't bring myself to trust him. I do agree he is a loving father... But his ego is the thing he holds dearest... He has his skewed beliefs, maybe he wants his son's happiness too... But he has only destroyed it so far... So how can the man change suddenly...


No Rosh...he has not changed at all...why do you think he has changed... I am saying he has always been like that...that's what the narrative has shown...So, what u see yesterday is a person who has accepted the situation fait accompli like he did in Nirmala's walking out...He has been in shock since then..😆 He pushes but beyond a point, he does not try...Even with Shravan, he has never been able to counter if Shravan insists on something...he gives in easily.. For instance if Shravan. had said i will only marry Sumo...he would have accepted it, he got lucky that Shravan reposes so much faith in him

The problem, when we look at a plot unfold...we are always quick to categorise...black, white, hero, heroine, villain, grey etc...we have this in our mind and we end up analysing their actions. But, for a change, this story is just presenting characters and their actions..including the main protagonists.

What is Ram's character sketch?
He is an MCP...that much is established. why is it established? He has categorically maintained that women and men have diff roles in society. so he is not likely to change his opinion in that matter. His actions with every woman is indicative of that.

He is also a person who has gratitude, feels heavily indebted to his guru...and he would never like to be falling short in his eyes.

He loves Shravan a lot..though his judgement about life is very poor...

In this situation of yesterday, I am not saying that suddenly, he is going to play agony aunt to the two. All he is saying...I hope they are ok.. Again, at one level, he will be happy if Shravan continues to reject Sumo...not becos that is what he wants...but becos he will be pleased that Shravan is not going his way...of succumbing to pain. He would not like Shravan to be unhappy so if he sees Shravan rejecting Sumo...he will be convinced that Shravan is learning to manage the situation...which he could not or did not.. I don't know if i am making sense here,...😆


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: chicksoup


Beautiful, Rekha. 👏

Shravan's litany of complaints..Hothon pe tere shikvon ka shor hai..it is exactly that- plain empty noise.

You connected it all so beautifully. ❤️

He had forgiven her at the preeti bhoj itself...friendship had been sorted out..what remained was the 'Sumo, friendship mat thodna ' part...he had to confess to the next phase in their relationship.

But Shravan had changed too, in ten years. He had grown more confident. So it never felt like she didn't reciprocate his feelings. Even if Ramnath had not grudgingly allowed him to confess, he would have eventually reached out to her even without his dad's 'blessings'. In fact, he had even told him clearly- I know my Sumo. Let me handle this my way...

What Shravan never realised is, Sumo had changed...Not her love for him, but her perceptions towards life in whole. Something had changed in these ten years..something he had not been privy to. But the knowledge of that is so important to Shravan to understand why she didn't behave like the Sumo he adored ten years ago.

I keep saying this. There is so much he has missed about her...a huge part. The main kya thi part. He hadn't even wanted her to apologise...but she had only been too aware of what she had been. That was a part Sumo had wanted to correct- this is what I LOVE ABOUT SUMAN. She knows she had been wrong..even at the coffee date she had told him, despite him protesting. Deep down, she knew she had unwittingly dealt such a huge blow that may never be rectified..so she could only assure him she cared for him...she had wanted that to SINK IN TO HIM...


But Shravan had thought that had been unnecessary in their relationship. He had started protesting about the apology..but she had read him so well there. Probably that is why she doesn't even react that much..because when the dust he kicks up settles, she does know she had been responsible for the fall out in the first place. This is precisely why I rejoiced when Shravan wronged her with the 'sab kuchh hua'..It had not even been intended to remotely affect her when he said that..the intention had been something else entirely..but fact is, one carefully planned thoughtless blunder is going to COST HER A LOT...Love is not tit for tat, but his action was a great equaliser. At a physical and moral level, what he did may appear so out of proportion to what she had done...but emotionally..it just made them equals. I am so thankful the writers did that! 👏


Am completely with you on this..Chick, completely agree that this was a leveller of sorts...That is what the writers wish to convey on that day..when Shravan became the ill-advised motormouth.

I have often wondered what are the just desserts for a folly which was done unintentionally yet has the power to wound? When the incident happened...All i could think was the core of the intention of Shravan and naturally hark back to the Nirmala leaving and Sumo deserting Shravan. Not that there is a like for like comparison to the issues...but both actions had the same result...the power to singe. I don't now remember if it was someone who wrote here or was it my own impression but I could relate completely to Shravan's state of mind...when the incident will come to light. He finally does a thing he can't ever apologise for and be understood..something that Sumo has lived with all these years...Shravan gets to be in Sumo's shoes then. Will it give him closure or despair? or both?







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