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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: poppinss

Will you nil you i will marry you 😊 Now wonder who really is the shrew here...

I think we kind of think along the same lines 😃 Was wondering what's with SMs sad eyes and tough writers words.

And... i see your post.


The shrew .😆

The shrew is just a figment of Shravan's imagination, right?😉


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ...MonaCo...

When I first read the post I was fully anticipating the shrew is Shravan :) I'll post in length later but I guess this is the beauty of this show. You are a sumo girl and you got Shravan yesterday and I am a Shravan girl and my heart went out to Sumo... In the end these both are escapists... One is the pessimist and he always sees the glass half empty and the other always quickly has her rose tainted glasses on. Both never ever question their own actions and its potential impact on others. And both think only the other have egos. They say that marriage is a relationship where two incomplete people complete each other, but my heart goes out to sumo who has embarked on a very dangerous journey. Will love be her guiding light? Will she succeed? Of course she will! But it will take a lot of her... In the end like I said she neither has to giver herself up nornher dreams but how will she make way in Shravan's heart again along with her self respect that is key.

The only vantage she has over Shravan was clear in yesterday's episode. She is always optimistic. And like I always say, she has knowledge Shravan doesn't.

Shravan is being lied to left right and center by everyone, including Suman. So he is super Clouded at the moment but there's a reason PreeKar are in the same house. Preeti wasn't standing there when Kaamini was instigating Shravan for no reason. I hope.

Shravan. Shravan. Shravan. Where do I even start? Do I call you a misogynist? Or a pessimist? Or... I all short of words. I hate you one moment and then the other I wish someone could slap sense into you. And then I see that like someone who builds walls around themselves to keep hurt at bay you are retracting further and further into the depths of despair... Wonder what to make out of you?

Sumo, may be you just need to remember, okhli mein sar daal rahi ho, pisega to Sahi...

Ps: this turned out to be quite a long short response!!!


Yeah .

Sumo girl and Shravan girl seem to have switched sides for a moment.😉

That is because we do know neither will tolerate us if we dislike their better half.😆

As for Sumo- the way he conducted the marriage- I wonder for how long her resolve would stay.😉 May be she will decide to lie low for some time...It is tough to be so cheerful and hopeful when someone has just thrown cold water in your face!
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Posted: 9 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: glassdoor


@chicksoup 🤗
Yep agree Suman has, is and will always be self-centered. Hence she needs a more 'centered' partner. 😆 So I think Shravan is wrong for her.

For Shravan I think she is the right person because she can actually bear and put up with his sissy fits. Dear god, this man has more mood swings than a pregnant woman!

According to me marrying somebody and expecting him/her to be radically different after marriage is wrong. People don't change that easily.

Ramnath case was different. Nirmala was not working when he married her. So he had this preset mould in his mind that Nirmala was slotted to. He was not comfortable when she tried to break out of that mould.

In Shravan's case, he knows that Suman is a working independent woman. Why marry her only to change her? There are other fish in the sea. For him and for her. Marrying her just so he can snub her is downright cruel. This will be a tragedy of his own doing. Good people should not try to be cruel, they will only lose themselves.


GD,

Suman knows who Shravan is, better than any of us.
She knows who her friend was, what she meant to him and how that has changed. So it is not a case of hoping his character would change...just that she hopes the love that he still has for her, despite the many MUs can be ignited again.
Shravan is not marrying her to change her. So long as she doesn't step on him, he has no problems with what she does.He is really broadminded that way. If he limits her PCT activities, it'd be only if it poses a problem to his FAMILY. He wouldn't have any expectations from her, so PCT is safe until someone in the family objects.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Thank U so much, all of you for the comments.
Sorry, I couldn't reply individually..really appreciate the replies.😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: chicksoup


Yeah .

Sumo girl and Shravan girl seem to have switched sides for a moment.😉

That is because we do know neither will tolerate us if we dislike their better half.😆

As for Sumo- the way he conducted the marriage- I wonder for how long her resolve would stay.😉 May be she will decide to lie low for some time...It is tough to be so cheerful and hopeful when someone has just thrown cold water in your face!


I did like this you want a simple wedding, here you take it attitude though. It made me laugh. But not the other shit he keeps saying. I hear from his insta that we will still dislike Shravan so I am wondering how much more my feeble heart can take...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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This is so heartbreaking! 💔 yet beautifully written 👏
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Sorry for the late post...Chick

It's interesting your post is named the Taming of the shrew, not one of my favourite of the Shakespearean plays..but a thought provoking play nonetheless...though I am not sure how many in the audience of the time thought of it as so...how many asked the question Why? What? rather than the How?

Anyways, is that what you think this track is about...about his intention to "tame" her?Hmmm...😲

Well, if it is, I have reservations about the project...and it is not becos of how it will play out😆 but moreso becos that is not how I have read Shravan. He seems to have a resigned air about his getting married that "taming" does not seem to figure in his agenda. His chachi convo was a rise to the bait, I thought...

In his conversation with Ram on Friday...the "taming" ascent though apparent in his speech, looked more like a determination to make his marriage work. (thank U Indrani for that insight!) I don't know how he will prevent Sumofrom becoming Nirmala Ahuja becos they do seem to be different people though they may share some traits. Also, if he has to prevent Sumo from becoming Nirmala Ahuja, it also means he has to become different from Ram, which he is, I think. He is different from Ram even if there are similarities. Ram remains captive to his insecurities, while Shravan has in the past shown an ability to escape that cage.

Anyway coming back to your post, Lovely one Chick...it mirrors Shravan's pain rather well and I also tend to agree with @Idonkno that his pain has depersonalised him to such an extent that he does not feel any other pain. His utterances in the current state are a result of his inability to rationalise the happenings in any cogent way.

I wrote the other day about his pain being one of unrequited love but I realised it also not all about that becos he has lived with unrequited love from the time Sumo "deserted" him at the school. So, this pain is deeper than that and I agree some people tend to feel pain to a deeper extent than others, causing them to understand differently the causes of pain.

Yet, in Shravan's case, the unrequited love did not make him the monster that people see him now for(ok fine he was young then). For ten years, he lived with unrequited love and though he was bitter enough to plan out a charade to avenge his insult, he was the same guy who extended the olive branch after the Khosla incident. His experiences thereafter have been hits and misses in knowing what makes his heart happy and his final conclusion was that he was worthy of love and that Sumo did have feelings for him.(the terrace and caf incident).

To his credit, after gaining his ability to articulate his feelings, (the one thing which he did not have before the terrace hug episode), he has sought out Sumo to try and understand what indeed were the issues between them and unfortunately, Sumo's situation caused her to stall him and misread him as well. Also, she has not taken many sensible decisions along the way. I guess his sense of betrayal comes from the understanding that she has played him despite having held out her hand of trust. Shravan Malhotra ka bharosa jeetne ke liye insaan kya kare, dil kat ke de ya apni jaan de de? I guess somewhere this rankles for Shravan and let's accept these two have a different understanding of love, he struggles to cope with the knowledge she did not choose him and she assumes that despite not articulating anything he will understand her situation.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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@SanFan...
How can you be such a talented writer, my Gosh! You articulate your feelings so well. And, honestly, mine too :)

I have time and again said that ShraMan are very similar and yet very different and that despite hating Shravan's actions, it is easy to relate to him because they have shown us his side more convincingly. With Suman, some of the things she did were not established as well... Like we know she has abandonment issues also and it was established during the Khosla episode, when they visit her mother's house... but still, she said some mean, nasty things at age 16/17... not 4/5... and she failed her friend when he most needed her.

Later, due to her own "self respect, lack of emotional acceptance, and a bit of a girlish immaturity", she still doesn't recognize the impact of her actions, and does trivialize a lot Shravan goes through. Sometimes, she does it knowingly (monologues) saying jab tumhein sach pata chalega, ya jis din tumhein pyaar ka ehsaas ho jaega... but still she does things that hurt Shravan.

I do not side with Shravan anymore, nor do I recognize the person I see in him, but still, I cant fault him for so many things, because I felt his pain. Sumo, I keep repeating, has so much more knowledge, yet she is not able to piece together why or what is hurting Shravan, and their MUs do keep getting increased. Sumo oscillates from being a giddish teenager in love who is willing to do anything to make a relationship work to a girl who says nothing but her self respect, her family is prime... She, just like Shravan, doesn't think. To Shravan's credit, there was a time where he kept chasing Sumo about what was wrong... but she kept "avoiding him". There was also a reverse situation where Suman kept asking him what changed, and the end of it was that Shravan had realized he was loving Sumo again but he was trying to run away from it. Unfortunately, Sumo's "distancing from Shravan", didn't end in a positive realization or outcome for Shravan, but the PCT fiasco and AdiMan marriage.

I can go on and on, but you've said everything already - I have become a fan of your writing one more time. Ishq vala love!!!

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Regarding the taming of the shrew and their different approaches - I had a chance to rethink. Sumo says she will give whatever it takes to make this marriage work. Nanu and the rest show her the right path, making it easier for her to firm her resolve. She texts Shravan to talk to her so she can get rid of the baggage they have (which only she knows btw, as Shravan doesn't have a lot of information...)
Shravan, says, I already had my heart broken, don't you worry for me. Aur rahi baat shaadi ki, don't worry we will make sure it works. The problem in our marriage, is Sumo's self respect, and I will make sure she leaves it at home and comes.

If you read between the lines, they both are willing to work towards their marriage based on their frame of reference - Sumo's FOR is that there is a lot that needs to be told to Shravan and that they need to clear the air on many issues (not necessarily all, but some, may be? PCT? Adi marriage/proposal ? Nirmala-Adi truth ? Nanu health? Her indifference?). Shravan's FOR is that Sumo is selfish and self centered, and he will make sure he wont let it come between their marriage.

I know Shravan comes across as an MCP when he says that, but they both want to make this work.

Key issue is again, do they mean what they say?

Will Shravan actually make Sumo do things he knows she dislikes (like trying to one up her in the court marriage scenario), or will he actually make her sacrifice hopes/dreams? Will he want to annoy/bother her or will he actually want to hurt her?

Will Sumo actually be willing to sacrifice everything for this marriage? Everything? PCT? Self respect?

As you read these questions, you may have formed visual images that they will pave the way. Shravan and Sumo can either clash (Sumo does not need to give up PCT, but she needs to be more sensitive to people other than the Tiwaris, in all honesty, and just need to be more subdued in her responses at the time... mauke ki nazaakat... but assuming she won't there will be fireworks everywhere), or they can grow closer (Shravan and Sumo finally appreciating each other and bonding as friends all over again...).

CVS have a lot of scope to not do this in a cliched manner... and I hope they do.I somehow want to see a glimpse of their FB freshness in their post marriage scenes.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I will shred her pride and wear her down...until she feels the pain I feel today.

Loved this line. Loved it. And this is what will happen I feel in the show. He'll try to wear her down. Make her a different person altogether... insult her, humiliate her, but she will fight.


She will fight till that last moment she believes would come to her. That one moment for which she is willingly getting married to him. But that last moment might just be a little too late to come.


It'll be a journey for both Shravan and Sumo. So far in the story, every was Shravan oriented. Shravan loving Sumo, Shravan doing things for her whereas Sumo's side was a little suppressed.


Now, it'll be Sumo doing things for him cause she legally and socially will have the right to do so but shravan will reject her. It'll be like a full cycle. He'll taunt her, hate her but still she will fight him until that last moment when she might just breakdown.


And that, will be the moment of truth for Shravan. He'll see her broken down and shattered. A different person. Someone who he doesn't relate to Sumo. The fighter.


And one day, Sumo will tell him how wrong he had been. She understood his silence, his temper, his anger. But he couldn't understand her basic self.


That will be the moment when shravan's guilt will hit home.

I am not saying Shravan is right and Sumo is wrong. No. Not at all. Both are at fault and both are equally responsible for their situation. But it'll be interesting to see how they come out of it.



Great post!!

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