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Posted: 9 years ago
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welcome ... u started with a long kinda negative post but its ok ... look, u r entitled to ur opinion ..

but i guess u didnt notice one thing about the show .. no one real evil or pure saint .. they r humans .. yeah we blame xyz for doing something .. but every chracters action can be some how justified .. they have reason for behaving certain way .. even ramnath and kamini ..
how much convincing the reason depends on person to person ..

the forum too gets divided between lead's action .. leads sometimes makes decision on emotions not practicality - care, concern, love , dislike and ego ..

no one is completely right or wrong .. neither u nor me 😊 it just a matter of view point

Edited by --BLRbabe-- - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#12

Teach...!!!
calm down...this is a fictional show we are talking about...nothing to get personal..!!

Yes because its 'this' era I am blaming Suman...and I did not find anything great in her action which can be appreciated at this era...we may have different opinion on what makes someone look great

@underline...you might have been sarcastic but anyway thank you...!!

this is no court where we are proving anything...i am just stating my POV in a forum where majority differs to my thought...i do have my point very clear you can discuss on that,you can disagree or choose to ignore my post...

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: liveandletlive


Teach...!!!
calm down...this is a fictional show we are talking about...nothing to get personal..!!

Yes because its 'this' era I am blaming Suman...and I did not find anything great in her action which can be appreciated at this era...we may have different opinion on what makes someone look great

@underline...you might have been sarcastic but anyway thank you...!!

this is no court where we are proving anything...i am just stating my POV in a forum where majority differs to my thought...i do have my point very clear you can discuss on that,you can disagree or choose to ignore my post...

You are.new.to the forum so you.might.not.know this but here most of the fan love both sumo and shravan... When.one of them.does something wrong we critics them.and when one is right we.support them... Also if you are on.twitter and.ig you will know that majority.of the fandom supports shravan.mainly coz of their love towards namik...
I think for you a girl at her.20s handling a.successful.buisness.is not.something worth appreciate... Every time she falls she stands up and fight back...
Sumo geta offended by shravan and talks back at him the same way you do when you get offended... Everyone feels they are.right at their place when an argument happens and both shraman things they are right... Only a.third person who is unbiased and.knows both of thwm.equally can tell who is right...
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Posted: 9 years ago
#14

Originally posted by: spnfan

Edkv has.always shown.flaws with both the leads and majority of the fandom supports shravan not sumo... Shravan is a mcp and immature.emotionally and sumo is stubborn and arrogant... None.pf them are perfect human beings... Both are.flawed.. They.love.each.other.with.their.flaws..

If.sumo.chose.shravan over her.family who raised her then.she would have proven ramnath right.. Everyone.who loves their family will sacrifice their love for a guy... A lot of girls get married.leaving the guy they love for their parents and a kot.of so called progressive families bent their rules for marriages.. edkv is not showing right.or wrong it is showing what actually happenes.. Most of the people who says girl and boy are equal wobt follow that during their daughter's marriage..they will try to keep the men's family happy as much as possible...


to answer your previous post...all these going emotional over an argument just makes Sumo a less of a business person as mentioned in my previous post...her rejection to me looks more as choosing her opinion over someone else's..that's strictly my POV..to be fair with her if I have to think deep her going to Ravi halfheartedly was the reason of rejection..may be deep down she knew this guy can't be trusted again..and the argument was just the outburst...

Ideally we do business with anyone and everyone until they are not ethically or legally wrong...and if we do not that makes us a weak business person which sometimes we don't mind being that..

what i saw in this forum last few days was more of a Sumo fandom..

@bold...i agree..by the way to make one thing clear just because I have not mentioned in my post about Shravan's character that does not mean I don't find him wrong ever...his foundation of character sketching since the 1st promo days was meant to show his character flaw...this was the essence of the show in the initial days when CVs were showing the flaws in characters..when the characters were grey..and now its mixed up...

for the marriage part you mentioned..i will simply say I do not agree completely and will choose to agree to disagree...




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Posted: 9 years ago
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I totally understand and appreciate being a non watcher, but actively following Indian TV, which is an ugly beast in itself. I for one am a little of both and more a closet Indian soap watcher. The reality is that the content on Indian television, most of it, is mind numbingly dumb, overly dramatic and with the background music and overly made up women, could make it a perfect target for spoofs and stereotypes. Needless to say Indian TV has a long way to go and much evolving to do.
But we are not debating the state of Indian TV here, are we. I have been mostly silent on this matter because Im just better of that way- silent! But on and off, I have read comments on this forum and on and off I have responded too. This is my take.

I fail to comprehend this NEED to pin the blame on one particular character. At the end of the day this is a story and we have to wait and see how it evolves and how characters react and change according to how the plot progresses. Perhaps, as humans, we love finding and pinning flaws on fellow humans!

Indian TV aside, this has been more consistent than anything on TV. The characters are well developed. So lets proceed from this point. Suman, is a flawed character. Nothing she has done has been out of character. Yes, it is irritating to equate everything to self respect. But, the over emphasis on the concept suits the story and thus, is brought to the fore time and again. But if you look at her character, she is a girl who has grown up on the charity of others, and on her own struggled to set up a full fledged business. Not easy. She neither had emotional, physical or financial support. She has been orphaned in all these departments. People who grow up in these circumstances learn to rely on themselves. And that is what Suman is doing. Her reluctance to accept help is completely acceptable. She has always stood alone in many ways. And that is not something you can change, it is how she will remain, even if she were to happily wed Shravan.

Lets step back in time to take a quick peek at the young Suman. She has always been an argumentative, bossy, over the top personality. So when she argues now with Chachi or Shravan it is natural. Yes, she is calmer and more mature, but certain characteristics will be ingrained and cannot be changed.

Shravan - is in a dark room amidst a sudden power cut and does not know where the torch is, and there is so much happening around him but because it is dark he can't see and can't fully tell whats happening so he tries to guess his way, basing his conclusions and decisions on things he may have heard or movement he tries to make out in the dark. So all his actions are laced with frustration and anger because of that frustration. He will act in this unreasonable, aggressive manner.

When he saw Chachi crying, his first concern was to bring some peace to the entire process and he did what he thought could solve the problem, and it did- for Chachi. How can he trust Sumo when she has been acting in blow hot blow cold fashion, he does not know which button to press to avoid an explosion - she has been quite inconsistent in her behaviour. Shravan aside, It would be difficult for anyone to trust her.

One ought to set aside emotions while doing business. That is exactly what Shravan would have done even if he had known about PCT before the court case. So, I don't think it mattered that she 'sacrificed' PCT for Shravan. Yet, there are people in this world who are emotional and take emotional rather than practical decisions. This was shown in particular to aid the story and take it forward - to prove Ramnath wrong, if indeed the CVs remember and use this.

What is more important that Suman realised and understood Shravan's insecurity and jealousy and asked Aditya to back off. Sadly, Shravan is not privy to this piece of information- it would bring him a great deal of peace. All his actions now are being guided by deeply inset jealousy and insecurity.

Thats a rather long post and so in conclusion I would like to say that neither character is right or wrong and act appropriately according to their character sketch and development, as the plot requires in order to push the story forward. Even if it is constant bickering - there is probably a point to the constant bickering and it probably leads somewhere. But that is the story writers prerogative to decide where all this leads. This story is her/their/his baby. We should just sit back and watch.




Edited by beagleboy - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: beagleboy

I totally understand and appreciate being a non watcher, but actively following Indian TV, which is an ugly beast in itself. I for one am a little of both and more a closet Indian soap watcher. The reality is that the content on Indian television, most of it, is mind numbingly dumb, overly dramatic and with the background music and overly made up women, could make it a perfect target for spoofs and stereotypes. Needless to say Indian TV has a long way to go and much evolving to do.

But we are not debating the state of Indian TV here, are we. I have been mostly silent on this matter because Im just better of that way- silent! But on and off, I have read comments on this forum and on and off I have responded too. This is my take.

I fail to comprehend this NEED to pin the blame on one particular character. At the end of the day this is a story and we have to wait and see how it evolves and how characters react and change according to how the plot progresses. Perhaps, as humans, we love finding and pinning flaws on fellow humans!

Indian TV aside, this has been more consistent than anything on TV. The characters are well developed. So lets proceed from this point. Suman, is a flawed character. Nothing she has done has been out of character. Yes, it is irritating to equate everything to self respect. But, the over emphasis on the concept suits the story and thus, is brought to the fore time and again. But if you look at her character, she is a girl who has grown up on the charity of others, and on her own struggled to set up a full fledged business. Not easy. She neither had emotional, physical or financial support. She has been orphaned in all these departments. People who grow up in these circumstances learn to rely on themselves. And that is what Suman is doing. Her reluctance to accept help is completely acceptable. She has always stood alone in many ways. And that is not something you can change, it is how she will remain, even if she were to happily wed Shravan.

Lets step back in time to take a quick peek at the young Suman. She has always been an argumentative, bossy, over the top personality. So when she argues now with Chachi or Shravan it is natural. Yes, she is calmer and more mature, but certain characteristics will be ingrained and cannot be changed.

Shravan - is in a dark room amidst a sudden power cut and does not know where the torch is, and there is so much happening around him but because it is dark he can't see and can't fully tell whats happening so he tries to guess his way, basing his conclusions and decisions on things he may have heard or movement he tries to make out in the dark. So all his actions are laced with frustration and anger because of that frustration. He will act in this unreasonable, aggressive manner.

When he saw Chachi crying, his first concern was to bring some peace to the entire process and he did what he thought could solve the problem, and it did- for Chachi. How can he trust Sumo when she has been acting blow off blow cold, he does not know which button to press and avoid an explosion and she has been quite inconsistent in her behaviour. It would be difficult to trust her.

One ought to set aside emotions while doing business. That is exactly what Shravan would have done even if he had known about PCT before the court case. So, I don't think it mattered that she 'sacrificed' PCT for Shravan. Yet, there are people in this world who are emotional and take emotional rather than practical decisions. This was shown in particular to aid the story and take it forward - to prove Ramnath wrong, if indeed the CVs remember and use this.

What is more important that Suman realised and understood Shravan's insecurity and jealousy and asked Aditya to back off. Sadly, Shravan is not privy to this piece of information- it would bring him a great deal of peace. All his actions now are being guided by deeply inset jealousy and insecurity.

Thats a rather long post and so in conclusion I would like to say that neither character is right or wrong and act appropriately according to their character sketch and development, as the plot requires in order to push the story forward. Even if it is constant bickering - there is probably a point to the constant bickering and it probably leads somewhere. But that is the story writers prerogative to decide where all this leads. This story is her/their/his baby. We should just sit back and watch.





I love your comment.
Time and again I have been feeling this in regards to the characters esp the leads. They are both so flawed. But isn't that why we love them so much? Cos we can relate to them.
Over the last few weeks, both Shravan and Sumo have done stupid things which is why personally I cannot take sides. In one episode if I like Shravan for something he has done, in the next he will make me want to pull out my hair and the likewise with Sumo😆 But tbh this is the reason why I like this show. None of the characters especially the leads are whitewashed or dudh ke dhule.

I do feel though that the CVs need to really buck up and speed up this track. Cos all this dragging is just frustrating now...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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really liked ur comment .. i was one dont believe they have butchered the characters.. but characters r not in the right frame for making the best decisions, which m8 have looked like that

shravan part made so much sense .. sumo is his light but she is not helping him see things for a while now ..

shravan is not privy to lot of info ( parents truth , sumo's action ) whereas suman is just like the audience .. hence she doesnt take much of what he says in wrong way whereas he does .. he takes most of it on face value ..

he just goes by his previous experience and his father's words .. this guys needs to find his torch at least for time being otherwise pagal ho jaye ga ..
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regarding PCT i think the fact the that the guy didnt even admit his fault even to a small degree was also a reason to walk away ..

characters are very much flawed, they complete each other .. but not now 😔

i so wish cvs fast track a little bit to rekindle our faith in this couple which hasnt faltered though 😊
Edited by --BLRbabe-- - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I understand ur point of view!! I agree with ur comment for how cv's made this marriage track as crap.. Logic less!!
We all know how real marriages work.. Like u said How both families discuss and do all preparations i agree with u 100%..Cv's lost there.. If anyone accept r not.. This track gone beyond repair!! So I am not connecting with this marriage track.. I am a South Indian and andhraite so our marriage and culture different from North side..

But one thing for sure in marriages mutual understanding is most important thing!!

I don't know about age groups here.. But I am a married girl.. So I understand how marriage preparations and how elder people organize it.. Nowadays all r changing but still we follow old rituals because we respect them..so how much technology gone beyond atleast in India for marriages girls family always pay extra attention and they will fulfill boy family demands..


I am not telling they have to make rich wedding and all..it's not like that.. For every marriage elder people sit and discuss about marriage preparations... They will follow no matter what happens.. Already Tiwaris agreed for destination wedding but comprised for Sangeet even after Kamini mentioned it.. So I can't tell she did right thing.. But as far as I understand from that scene she feared for like if wedding happen in function hall r any place other than five star... I felt her tears r genuine see her as a mother.. If we see her as Kamini I won't like her.. But for every mother it' s her dream how her son wanted to marry... So shravan supporting her is normal na!!

I don't know but I am from joint family.. So I care for my aunts and uncle's...I even don' t like someone i don't tell them r misbehave with them.. As I understand how relations works so we accept each other faults.. If kamini is doing wrong with shravan he won't hate his chachi na.. Why would he hate for small things.. He has no mother so some where he see her as motherly figure na!!


No words about cv's!! They r confused poor souls stuck there..

Appreciate ur efforts.. I like ur braveness how u told all things... . U explained very well ur point of view!!

Enjoy your time here!!





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Posted: 9 years ago
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Excellent post! I loved how you displayed every single "wrong" aspect.
Sumo's character doesn't make sense anymore. She is trying to rule everyone with her "I AM ALWAYS CORRECT" attitude. A person who believes they know everything, is actually the biggest fool. She always says that everything is being done according to the wish of the groom's family, but in the end, that's not how things are progressing. She is doing everything HER WAY! It's either her way or the highway. Also this may sound very harsh, but she is proving that little knowledge is indeed dangerous. She never faired well throughout her years of education. Shravan helped her! And an educated individual has completely different mannerisms. Not the ones Suman Tiwari is carrying. She is creating a havoc all the time with her obtuse nature. Shravan has become quite dull now, for many, because he isn't supporting her. Nonetheless, his manners and etiquettes show what kind of mentality he walks with. And of course, he is flawed too. Isn't everyone? However, his flaws still fall into place and he doesn't squeal constantly about how he is always correct. Speaking about "squeal", I want to say, empty vessels do make a lot of noise, just like Suman Tiwari. She should calm down a bit and fill her hollow mind with sense and sensibility.
Anyway, I can go on and on about all this. But you've stated everything really well and I've to wrap up studies, which is so much better than talking about Suman's activities.😆

Once again, loved your post! 👏
Edited by Deb_05 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: liveandletlive


CVs have lost it...the story seems to be so disconnected and the character sketching too is so inconsistent...i wish they had established the character well first before the the twist and turns..

Sumo and Shravan may be best friends but they have not known each other(completely out of touch) for 10 long years which brings the miscommunication between them...

Agree with you, it's been 100 eps but no proper development I can only hope that the CVs try to fix this😆

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