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Posted: 9 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: LIKEDMG

Agree...this is not friendship or love whatever from Shravan's side.today's epi he shouted at suman ...even he knows how much pct mean to her may b he hadn't seen her hard working ...I loved when puskar told him didn't u see the pain of ur pain...so true...suman needs to get a slap back to him...basically shravan bothers only his pain...this grown up shravan never b a good friend...don't want suman to forgive him easily.


Shravan really crossed all limits. The slap he gave to berry didn't even matter to me because of the way he shouted at sumo earlier. I was more angry because of that. Who shouts in that manner, even after hearing what she was talking about? When Shravan comes to tiwari villa next time, I want Suman to let him stand outside. He doesn't deserve to enter that house. She should speak to him outside and let him go back from there. And by speak, I mean, speak in the most harsh way possible. Just like he has done with her all these days. This grown up Shravan is nowhere close to the teenage Shravan. Yeah okay he's been through quite a bit, but people learn from the past mistakes and MOVE ON! No one holds grudges for that.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: KatilanaMirchi

I am so sorry to those who like shravan but he is really making me mad at this point. I want to kill him 😡Shravan truely doesn't deserve sumo at all ..love toh chodo friendship bhi deserve nhi karta ..Seriously i am so angry right now that i just want to slap shravan so hard ,grab his collar and kick him right ,left and center đŸ˜ĄđŸ„±

Yesterday he was acting totally like a jerk ..damn he was so so rude to her ..when he told her to get lost ,My blood boiled 😡😡I felt really bad for sumo ...I literally cried when she said "mujhe nahi pata tha ki tum uss baat ka itna bada badla loge "đŸ„±If after all this ,She still chooses to forgive him , I am so done with this show ...Shravan needs to repent his actions first and then work really really hard to win her back đŸ„±



I am on the same boat as you. That slap he gave to berry, would've been better if it was on his face. He is not worthy of friendship at all and seriously forget love. That is out of the question now. That promo was so misleading! In that they showed Shravan trying to explain himself and sumo not listening. But here Ramnath was present again😡 and Shravan didn't let her speak again. I wanted to throw him out of the office when he asked her to get lost. Like how obtuse can this guy be? He really has NO BRAINS!!!!! Sumo better not forgive him now. I want her to stop talking to him. Like no communication at all.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#33

I really respect your opinion, but I kind of disagree.

Regarding kamini and Ramnath, what you've said is correct but to an extent. I mean maybe he is closer to her and sharing stuff but that doesn't mean he simply keeps his brother out of the picture. And kamini, according to what you've written, should be closer to lalaji, that is her spouse. So I still don't see the logic in this. You just don't keep family members out of things and that too such important matters. At least kamini should go and share all this with her husband, if Ramnath has so much difficulty.

Nirmala was a lady who would flee in every difficult situation. That is correct! But you would think that after all these years, one learns a lesson. And doesn't repeat the same things again. CVs tried to show her as the victim and ram as the culprit. But in the end, she is equally the culprit because she is one selfish lady.

I agree, when parents are involved, certain things change. However, here It wasn't even about that matter anymore. This was only about her pct. And Shravan heard the essential part, he didn't miss the important part that sumo told Ramnath. Which is why he was able to recall it later inside the conference room. And sumo wasn't even being rude to Ramnath, she questioned him. For which, Shravan's anger was not needed. And you know when you're someone's true friend and a problem occurs, you don't go and butcher their life regardless of the fact if parents are involved or not. And it's true Shravan isn't aware of his fathers deeds, however as a true friend, he could've asked sumo to move her pct elsewhere and he wouldve helped in finding a plot for her. This would just prevent the demolition. But wait, he didn't even study the case properly, so he was unaware about pct. okay fine! But after hearing all that, he could've sat with her and discussed the matter with her instead of asking her to get lost.

And I didn't say Pushkar and Sumo's friendship is new. I meant that these two know each other for a lesser amount of time than Shravan and Sumo know each other. And you would think that a person who knows someone for over a decade would trust them since he/she is his/her true friend. But here, Pushkar has known sumo for a lesser amount of time and still believes in her. He values the friendship. And I agree, Shravan has trust issues. But tbh, his trust issues are quite absurd. In the real world, if anyone's mother abandons them, the child would grow up as a much stronger person. And wouldn't judge everyone based on that because he would learn from his past. And the fact that Shravan called sumo a liar and a selfish person doesn't even fit in. Because what sumo did was not a selfish act at all. Shravan seems to value his father a lot because he has no proof against his father, when his father is actually evil in real. Didn't he think about how hurt sumo was when her pct, which was on her mother's name, was demolished? Instead he shouted. I couldn't understand this at all. A true friend understands each other. At least sumo had realized her mistake of hurting him and his great father. Shravan just goes on to say he did the correct thing.

So all these things really bothered me in yesterday's episode. I know I disagreed with quite a bit of your opinion, but I still respect it and I know what you were trying to say. :)
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Posted: 9 years ago
#34
I agree with you. I have a best freind and we have been firends for over two decades now and we have had our fair share of fights and weeks of no talking but never have we ever destroyed each others life
We talk and understand and make decisions based on that.
Shravan is going crazy and his character will be shredded if headed this way.

sumo interfered but that is what best friends do. i still do it and he is married to another and i am married to another but he is my best freind and its my right to let him know if he is wrong and so is his if i am hurting or wrong'
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: mankhush

I agree with you. I have a best freind and we have been firends for over two decades now and we have had our fair share of fights and weeks of no talking but never have we ever destroyed each others life

We talk and understand and make decisions based on that.
Shravan is going crazy and his character will be shredded if headed this way.

sumo interfered but that is what best friends do. i still do it and he is married to another and i am married to another but he is my best freind and its my right to let him know if he is wrong and so is his if i am hurting or wrong'


Yeah same here! My best friend and I also had a MU, which we cleared out by TALKING. We didn't avoid each other. We always talk and we understand each other. I feel like Shravan's character is already torn apart. There was a time where his anger or his rage had weight. Now it's just repetitive and it has no firm base. I feel like sumo took him as a best friend and interfered, but he didn't take her as a best friend. Which is why he failed to be that good friend. If sumo had interfered in pushkar's life for any sort of thing, Pushkar wouldn't have reacted in such a manner. Shravan has no patience to sit and listen to what actually happened or why she did this. He is just always too busy shouting.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@ Deb_05:

I agree with a lot of what you have said. However, I would like to make a few points:

Kamini and Ramnath simply hang out together because they are both devious. They know Lalaji is not, and always only wants the best for people! THAT is the reason they are keeping him out of all this. He would under no circumstances let Ramnath do what he is doing to ruin the relationship of Shravan and Suman or endorse these actions in any way. The SAME way he would never encourage or endorse the actions of Kamini in trying to secure the entire practice of Ramnath's for Pushkar by trying to send Shravan back to London.


The phrase "Birds of a feather flock together" comes to mind. Ramnath and Kamini are both selfish and devious. So they naturally will be able to support each other in such underhand activities. But what stupid Ramnath doesn't understand is WHY Kamini is helping him. She doesn't want Shravan and Suman together, because that will give Shravan another reason to want to stay in India. That is why she manipulated her "Fake Mother" status and tried to get him married to Urvashi who lives in London. But Shravan was too smart for her. Even THEN Ramnath didn't see through her. The fact is men like Ramanth don't see through women who are truly cunning and manipulative. Because they assume that women who are "Not independent" are not capable of all that. They underestimate them. They just accuse women like Nirmala who are independent of being two faced, but the opposite is true. Kamini has not done a days work in her life and quite happy to live off the earnings of others, and then try and double cross them at the same time. The irony.


As for Pushkar and Suman...they have not known each other "Lesser" time than Shravan and Suman. In fact Suman knew Pushkar even before she knew Shravan. In that first scene in school when they meet. (When Shravan accidentally bumps into Suman), she says "Your Pushkar's brother right?" So their friendship is older. Clearly it was not as intense as the friendship of Shravan and Suman. But it is a very long standing friendship probably of around 13 years. They know and understand each other very well. Pushkar sees Suman without the added baggage of complications that Shravan carries around when viewing her or any other female. He can see straight but Shravan cant.


Shravan is someone who is happy to hold on to his resentment and is SO afraid of displeasing his Father and hurting him. (Due to Ramnath's endless emotional blackmail), that he just doesn't want to hear anything that upsets the Apple Cart. It makes me SO mad that he wont even entertain the idea that his Father may be wrong, or even NOT telling him everything. Maybe his Father is right on his side, but there are always TWO sides. Why is it that he wont see the other side or even TRY to see it? Why accuse Suman as if she was trying to kill his Father? All she did was get Nirmala to meet him so she can explain her side to him. I understand why Nirmala has left. She does not like conflict. But this was a time she should have been there. But in the end, her son rejected her and showed CLEARLY that he does not want to entertain her in any way. So why would she stay now? She has again retreated under her little rock. Lets hope she emerges soon as she is the only person who can fix this mess now.
Edited by MrDarcyfan - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I am done with Shravan.,. I agree with eveything you are saying. We expected some sort of guilt or schock expression, but instead he yells at Sumo for hurting his father and admits he did the right thing by closing her PCT. Even the upcoming episodes won't be good as Shravan will remain the selfish one and challenge Sumo to start all over again!
Edited by Baki - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#38
Hi,
I'm dumbfounded! đŸ˜Č I could only manage to read less than 2 pages on this topic. What is up with you guys? So much anger and hatred based on one or two episodes?! Seriously, people!...Ek Duje ke Vaaste is a 25 min show. They cannot show everything in one or two episodes...We have to wait for a week or so for things to fall into place.

I find all this hatred towards Shravan's character very OTT. Just cz there havent been any monologues or anything to 'justify' his behaviour doesn't mean that his character has gone downhill and this show is shittier than an Ekta show...What would the cvs have to do to make us dislike Shravan (considering how viewers wont stop praising his many good qualities)?...Obviously, give him less air time/less dialogues, and dont clarify his stance through monologues, etc. Moreover, get Pushkar to show him the mirror by saying some hard-hitting dialogues...show more of Ramnath, Kamini and generate more sympathy for Sumo, show her monologues, etc.
THAT is what they would do and that is exactly what they just did. And guess what, we are disliking Shravan, arent we?...This is not character assassination, this is character development. We'll have to see Shravan's bad side to see how he develops into a better person by learning from his mistakes.

I'm excited to see what EDKV writers have to show us...They are the best and I am trusting them to take this awesome show forward...I'd rather quit coming to IF to read some jali-kati posts based on a couple of episodes than to doubt anyone on EDKV having their heart in the wrong place, i.e. any comparison with Ekkkta b***h.

I would suggest all my friends here to wait for 2-3 episodes and dont get your BP soaring just yet...Hate where hatred is due..characters like Ramnath are for that purpose only. No one on this show is black or white...they all are grey, much like real life...be it Shravan, Sumo, maami, Kamini, Nirmala or Ramnath. Have patience and keep watching Ek Duje ke Vaaste.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan

@ Deb_05:


I agree with a lot of what you have said. However, I would like to make a few points:

Kamini and Ramnath simply hang out together because they are both devious. They know Lalaji is not, and always only wants the best for people! THAT is the reason they are keeping him out of all this. He would under no circumstances let Ramnath do what he is doing to ruin the relationship of Shravan and Suman or endorse these actions in any way. The SAME way he would never encourage or endorse the actions of Kamini in trying to secure the entire practice of Ramnath's for Pushkar by trying to send Shravan back to London.


The phrase "Birds of a feather flock together" comes to mind. Ramnath and Kamini are both selfish and devious. So they naturally will be able to support each other in such underhand activities. But what stupid Ramnath doesn't understand is WHY Kamini is helping him. She doesn't want Shravan and Suman together, because that will give Shravan another reason to want to stay in India. That is why she manipulated her "Fake Mother" status and tried to get him married to Urvashi who lives in London. But Shravan was too smart for her. Even THEN Ramnath didn't see through her. The fact is men like Ramanth don't see through women who are truly cunning and manipulative. Because they assume that women who are "Not independent" are not capable of all that. They underestimate them. They just accuse women like Nirmala who are independent of being two faced, but the opposite is true. Kamini has not done a days work in her life and quite happy to live off the earnings of others, and then try and double cross them at the same time. The irony.


As for Pushkar and Suman...they have not known each other "Lesser" time than Shravan and Suman. In fact Suman knew Pushkar even before she knew Shravan. In that first scene in school when they meet. (When Shravan accidentally bumps into Suman), she says "Your Pushkar's brother right?" So their friendship is older. Clearly it was not as intense as the friendship of Shravan and Suman. But it is a very long standing friendship probably of around 13 years. They know and understand each other very well. Pushkar sees Suman without the added baggage of complications that Shravan carries around when viewing her or any other female. He can see straight but Shravan cant.


Shravan is someone who is happy to hold on to his resentment and is SO afraid of displeasing his Father and hurting him. (Due to Ramnath's endless emotional blackmail), that he just doesn't want to hear anything that upsets the Apple Cart. It makes me SO mad that he wont even entertain the idea that his Father may be wrong, or even NOT telling him everything. Maybe his Father is right on his side, but there are always TWO sides. Why is it that he wont see the other side or even TRY to see it? Why accuse Suman as if she was trying to kill his Father? All she did was get Nirmala to meet him so she can explain her side to him. I understand why Nirmala has left. She does not like conflict. But this was a time she should have been there. But in the end, her son rejected her and showed CLEARLY that he does not want to entertain her in any way. So why would she stay now? She has again retreated under her little rock. Lets hope she emerges soon as she is the only person who can fix this mess now.

Shravan accidentally bumps into Suman), she says"Your Pushkar's brother right?" So their friendship is older
@bold Mandy Can you please tell me the epi number???
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Posted: 9 years ago
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ok i finally watched epi .. made me cry for sumo .. poor soul ..
only talking abt Shraman ...

as far as "is this friendship" .. friendship is simple but Shraman's relation is muddled with feeling other than just friendship .. there is expectation of loyalty but no trust , there is expectation of care but no understanding ...

dynamics change when love gets involved and is perceived as one sided..

coming yest epi .. i didnt like the way he reacted but i understood his reactions .. ( not justifying ) .. he was trying to assess what happened why was sumo so worried .. he heard her say what happened .. but when she started blaming his dad and raised her voice ( his preception ) he wouldnt let that happen .. consider this he knows suman thinks his dad is a liar and lied to him ..

shravan demands she feel what he feels quiet selfish of him, growth needed there.. ( proof: his reaction to her when daal made its debut) .. now she feels opposite to one person he hold in high esteem .. added with his perception of women , he reacted exactly how i expected when ramnath got involved ..
he didnt want feel for the the person who thinks wrong of his dd .. he was avoiding, playing indifferent till pushkar showed him the truth .. im curious to find out how the after conversation will play out

what pushkar has with suman is pure friendship ( no other complicated emotion involved ).. hence he doesnt judge her but does questions her when circumstances demand ..

i think i sort went in different tangent .. but all i say is give it some time .. maybe u will find ur answers 😊
Edited by --BLRbabe-- - 9 years ago

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