Is this really friendship? - Page 5

Originally posted by: KatilanaMirchi

@bold Mandy Can you please tell me the epi number???

Originally posted by: Baki

I am done with Shravan.,. I agree with eveything you are saying. We expected some sort of guilt or schock expression, but instead he yells at Sumo for hurting his father and admits he did the right thing by closing her PCT. Even the upcoming episodes won't be good as Shravan will remain the selfish one and challenge Sumo to start all over again!

Originally posted by: Deb_05

I really respect your opinion, but I kind of disagree.

Regarding kamini and Ramnath, what you've said is correct but to an extent. I mean maybe he is closer to her and sharing stuff but that doesn't mean he simply keeps his brother out of the picture.

Ramnath is not consciously keeping his brother out of the loop but it is a matter of convenience for him. He has well defined roles for both men and women etched out in his mind, where women are supposed to take responsibility and charge when it comes to familial matters. So when he shares things with Kamini he simply assumes that Kamini will be apprising his brother (as needed). Also, it has been well established that he places Kamini in high regard when it comes Shravan and considers her Nirmala's replacement in his son's life. Remember when Kamini came to talk to him about Urvashi's proposal. He gave her complete authority to do as she wills.

And kamini, according to what you've written, should be closer to lalaji, that is her spouse. So I still don't see the logic in this. You just don't keep family members out of things and that too such important matters. At least kamini should go and share all this with her husband, if Ramnath has so much difficulty.

That is why I used the term manipulation. Unfortunately Kamini does not have best of intentions at heart and have the men of her house dancing around her pinky finger without them even realising it- of course except for Shravan, which has its own reasons. As far as Kamini and lalaji's equation goes, this territory hasn't been explored much by CVs so I can't say much in this regard but she might be keeping things from her husband or telling him half truths or twisting things to suit her purpose for all you know. Kamini is a manipulative woman and if she considers that lalaji might not let her have her way then no, she won't even let him get an inkling about what she is up to. Women like her do exist who consider it their right to manipulate situations to suit them while keeping their husbands at periphery.

I am not justifying Ram and Kamini's actions but simply providing a reasoning for their deeds.

Nirmala was a lady who would flee in every difficult situation. That is correct! But you would think that after all these years, one learns a lesson. And doesn't repeat the same things again.

Well, she did not learn her lesson. Reasons can be one and many but that's Nirmala for you. Also, she has been portrayed as some one who gives up easily so her absence after Shravan's rejection makes sense.

CVs tried to show her as the victim and ram as the culprit. But in the end, she is equally the culprit because she is one selfish lady.

I too consider her a culprit but not a bigger one than Ramnath. Why so? Simply because whatever she did, she did it with good intentions at heart. Her motivations may be wrong but her intentions cannot be doubted. Also I don't find her selfish. It is too strong a word. She is weak, too convenient in her own skin and a push over yes but selfish no.

I agree, when parents are involved, certain things change. However, here It wasn't even about that matter anymore. This was only about her pct. And Shravan heard the essential part, he didn't miss the important part that sumo told Ramnath. Which is why he was able to recall it later inside the conference room. And sumo wasn't even being rude to Ramnath, she questioned him. For which, Shravan's anger was not needed.

Sorry it was may bad. I skipped that part when I watched the episode for the first time. But even if that is the case, I find Shravan's anger not so much out of character. I agree that it was about PCT but for Suman only. Suman literally shouted at Ramnath and to Shravan it was also about his father's respect and dignity and his loyalty to his dad.

And you know when you're someone's true friend and a problem occurs, you don't go and butcher their life regardless of the fact if parents are involved or not. And it's true Shravan isn't aware of his fathers deeds, however as a true friend, he could've asked sumo to move her pct elsewhere and he wouldve helped in finding a plot for her. This would just prevent the demolition. But wait, he didn't even study the case properly, so he was unaware about pct. okay fine! But after hearing all that, he could've sat with her and discussed the matter with her instead of asking her to get lost.

Do I need to say much in this regard because you answered the question on your own. As far as sitting down and discussing the matter with Suman is concerned, it would have looked completely out of place after he shouted at her for apparently disrespecting his father. He was blinded by his emotions for his father and was made to choose from among two of the most important people in his life and he chose his dad over Suman which sets the backdrop for the future story. It was needed to create a conflict in the story in line with the theme of 'pyaar aur samaan'.

And I didn't say Pushkar and Sumo's friendship is new. I meant that these two know each other for a lesser amount of time than Shravan and Sumo know each other. And you would think that a person who knows someone for over a decade would trust them since he/she is his/her true friend. But here, Pushkar has known sumo for a lesser amount of time and still believes in her. He values the friendship.

No Pushkar's friendship with Suman is older than her association with Shravan. If you recall when Sumo first encountered Shravan, she addressed her as Pushkar's brother. Though Shravan and Sumo know each other for over a decade but what was the nature of their relationship throughout this period? They remained friends for a year or so before Shravan left and were not in touch with each other for a long time. Both changed a lot during this time span (which is only natural), so they actually do not know who they really are. Recall their convo during their date. Both acknowledged that there is a lot for them to explore about each other.

Pushkar saw Suman's transition throughout this period an this is exactly why he is able to relate to her in a much better manner and probably knows her better than Shravan.

And I agree, Shravan has trust issues. But tbh, his trust issues are quite absurd. In the real world, if anyone's mother abandons them, the child would grow up as a much stronger person. And wouldn't judge everyone based on that because he would learn from his past.

We can't judge everyone based on this generalisation. Not everyone is cut out of same cloth.

And the fact that Shravan called sumo a liar and a selfish person doesn't even fit in. Because what sumo did was not a selfish act at all. Shravan seems to value his father a lot because he has no proof against his father, when his father is actually evil in real.

@bold: When was this? In the office or when he confronted his mother? Sorry, for the memory lapse but if it was in the office then I must have missed out on this part.

Didn't he think about how hurt sumo was when her pct, which was on her mother's name, was demolished? Instead he shouted. I couldn't understand this at all. A true friend understands each other. At least sumo had realized her mistake of hurting him and his great father. Shravan just goes on to say he did the correct thing.

He did think of Suman's pain back in the conference room. And when he shouted at Suman, it was an instinct reaction to salvage his father's dignity. As mentioned earlier out of his father and friend he chose to stood by his father which is natural. Also, looking at things from a practical standpoint, Shravan actually did the right thing. None can defy the fact that PCT was operating on an illegally occupied land and had it not been Shravan then any other lawyer would have won the case for Berry. What happened was bound to happen someday. It was Sanyal's fault that he didn't inform Suman about court's notice prior to PCT's demolition.

I am not justifying what Ramnath, Kamini, Nirmala or Shravan did but only find it plausible when viewed in the context of their characters, situations they face and societal fabric that surrounds them.

Originally posted by: Deb_05

@Karam

Thank you for you comment and I apologize if this thread has offended you in any manner.

I do agree with the fact that they have a limited amount of air time and what not. However, showing irrational things or dragging things doesn't make sense at all. For instance, Shravan is a top lawyer who has graduated from OXFORD. In order to enter Oxford, one's GPA has to be very high. And obviously Shravan's was. Clearly he was very intelligent. However, last week, he failed to study the case thoroughly. I don't have much knowledge about law because I'm not in that field; however, everyone knows that a lawyer HAS to study the case properly and know every small detail. Was that staying true to his character? He should be shown as a very clever lawyer, not one that leaves out details. I don't know how this is helping develop his character. Atop that, in reality, when people have MUs, they give the other person a chance to speak and clear out stuff when it happens with people who are very close them. Just like he cleared out his side to his father that day, that he didn't know his mother was going to be there. He should've allowed sumo to clear her side, as well. And we all here are upset about the fact that he hasn't shown guilt. And in upcoming episodes he will challenge her to start her business again. Does this show guilt? As of now, not for me. However, maybe in the episode it will be displayed in a different manner, I don't know. I don't think it was completely wrong in asking for some remorse or signs of true friendship from Shravan's side. If cvs have given importance to that friendship track, it should've been maintained. And it was Shravan himself who said "the beautiful essence of life is friendship" and he failed to maintain it.

Anyway, I guess you won't like what I've written here. So I won't write more! But thank you once again for your comment. 😊