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Posted: 9 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Indrani,

Your conversation with the devil is so interesting...

Actually, I feel like the devil, because I do want some sort of a separation- I call it space, you see. 😉😆

Because if one night's space could make Shravan so restless, I wonder what more space could do!

(No gutter thoughts, I swear! 😉)😆

Chick thank you so much🤗
Space is at times required to map the distance covered and to at times to measure how much we have to cover. I have always believed that space and time are two axis of the same coordinates and as such the time of ten/eleven years which they have traversed have given them an idea of how much distance they have travelled. While the separation which is going to pan out soon will disclose the space they have to travel. They have to move on😉
I dont mind if they move to gutter thoughts as well😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
#42
Red, Sanfan, Indrani:
👏

Enuf said!

The more I read all of your analyses and the rich discussions that follow, the more I get drawn into this beautiful love story, the more Suman and Shravan take over my world :)

love you all for the depth of your thoughts and the magic of your words...

~ Anu
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Posted: 9 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: redwine1


Okay okay ... it took me a couple of minutes to recover from my laugh mania ... this is fab stuff ... love the liberal use of the 'ahem' words ... i love this ... i dig this ... & i jealous of this .. can't ever manage humor in my writing ...😭 ( though a lot of times my writing is laughable)

I thought since heavy duty scenes are sure to come up, its time for everyone to have few laughs. 😆

what can i say that i havent said to u before... ur brilliant & u know it ... this post cloaked in humor .. delvers the punch which a lot of our flowery posts fail to do .. it delivers the message & whats more shockingly delivers the nuance as well ..

Take a bow girl ...

Thank you Red, this encouragement counts and you know it😳

But thats not why this is gonna rank as one of fav posts of all times ... for me any post which makes me think & makes me bubble up with ideas is special ... & even amidst all that laughter i was struck with a thot ... maybe will make a wine shot of this in future ...

heres the thot ...

They say ... what doesnt break u makes u strong ... (right) ...

But ... what happens when u break ... do u become weak ???? or as some say .. notch that up as a lesson in life & "MOVE ON"
This is a pertinent question. And few of the past incidents have already revealed the answer. Move on.. has been a catchphrase in this show and one whose cadence keeps on changing


Now for the absolutely serious part of the post ... u said thank u for letting u post ...now as per rule of the 3 cardinal angels this is a punishable offense ... & u r hereby sentenced to opening the thread in an episode full of MAMI & MASSI & mr. MASSI ... 😆😆😆 ( thats us 3 doubling up)


Sorry, I take back my thanks. Rather than me writing a whole post devoted to Mami and company it would be better to appreciate you three on private messages😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: sanfan


Shrav's boyhood hopes have not changed...only they have verbalised. He is at the stage where he wishes to know his pecking order in her life...be it as a friend or a lover. So it is difficult for me to classify Shrav as immature because his questions have not changed largely. I would call him a man frozen as a 16 year old where Sumo is concerned. He is as mature or immature as he was as a 16 year old. Upto us how we box him as a 16 year old. He did not grow up and yet he lost his innocence, a paradoxical thing...

Loss of innocence is also part of the growing up process. What is the innocence Shrav has lost? He lost the ability to move ahead...He moved on only in the material aspects of life. He lost the ability to grow emotionally, among other things. He lost the ability to separate the behave of a 16 year old and 26 year old.

Happy to have figured as an angel there...but let me just say I am just a romantic fool wanting these two idiots to walk hand-in-hand into the sunset...


Hi there, Romantic Fool! 🤗

😆

Ah!bsolutely loved your post. 👏 And esp these lines.

I had wanted to write on Shrav too, but Sumo's pain seems to have consumed the little partial romantic fool in me. 😉

Your lines here were very powerful.

You talked about Pecking order...Yes! How it bothers him...To the point he is making a fool of himself every day in his Office..and Now he waited for her like a fool, like he did most of their teenage years...Waiting...Being made a fool of...Added to that the worry her illness caused that he was not allowed to display...Shravan is being torn in every direction. So, I loved that blast of emotions there.

There has to be a calm after the storm...He would find it within himself.
But how long is this storm going to last?

When would he be allowed the space and time to sit down and reflect on what all has happened between them after his return?

After all, she did apologise many times.
She did tell him why she had been like that...and he had understood.
She also reassured him she would be there for him no matter how far he pushed her away.❤️
And she even tried to reason with him why she would try to put him down...
She has been with him every step of the way, be it the finality with which he asked him to withdraw from the case or begging him to stay back...or even taking care of him when he was unwell..

Despite all this, why does he still feel scared the moment old feelings come resurfacing again.

Jairaj had been a catalyst...Her fall had been a revelation that he had not moved on...

He talked about ummeed and dhoka...an image of Sumo he was conjuring up, to escape from himself...So the key must lie within himself...Frankly, I doubt there is anything more Sumo can do other than giving him space..

I feel bad for Shravan...I sympathise with him...
But my heart goes out to Sumo...
And I know she is very lucky to have this guy in her life.





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Posted: 9 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: sanfan



The text for Shivam (a godsend...another cupid u guys haven't thanked) sent to Shravan...reminded me of a quote "Actually no, my post wasn't about you. But hey, if the shoe fits, wear it"

While I thought about this...which one of the two players does it fit...Sumo or Shravan? After all, these are the protagonists...Sumo definitely but then I wondered that was making the screenplay very obvious...and these writers seldom do that. Then it must be Shravan...how so?

Yesterday, Indrani and I had a discussion on conditionality in love, well nearly (the subject is difficult to pontificate on so we left that for another day) but our discussion was largely about whether the younger Shravan was more mature than the older Shravan. To all intents and purposes, it seemed the younger Shravan seemed content with friendship and the bounds of that bond. (if there is one!)

This came about in our conversations as it has suddenly become apparent that post Jairaj...there is a different Shravan on display. So for a person who talked about that wonderful ehsaas, friendzoning and all...he was showing up as proper loverboy..He seemed to cloak that loverboy image in alternating avatars...a friend asking for sev bhaji, Sumo's special dal, and preeti bhoj reminders and at other times blowing hot and cold at Sumo. So the question was has the adult Shravan changed some paradigms in the letter he had written to Sumo ten years ago? After all after the three questions that he asked and the answers which he received from her made him call out as a special friend, not otherwise. What if she had not answered in the same way? Would he have still termed her as special? (this was Indrani's question)

My response was the jury is still out on this one...One way is certainly the way it is put above. True, he may have gone back to friendzoning her (in the terrace sort of way or the "moved on" sort of way) if her answers were anything else . If you see, her answers that day may have disappointed Shrav the lover but it gladdened the heart of Shrav the friend. So, in effect, Shrav still knows the rules of friendship. Atleast that is what we thought so.

The other way to look at it is he was finding answers to questions that has really troubled him. Has she ever cared for him enuf to look back? He did not stay on to the last time to know that. So these answers were important for him as a friend primarily. That the pitch was queered later by the Jairaj Pandora box is another matter...and an important matter and will come to that as we discuss conditionality

There was a sense that Shravan's love for her has not yet reached the same level of maturity or intensity which he had in the past. Probably, it also lacks innocence. And when this mother-son is united will he realize how his love was maintaining scores or the fact, that he has fallen short of his own very image?

Again my response to this aspect is we are usually a product of our circumstances, Shrav left with a lot of bitterness...and in many ways, the way he reacts to Sumo even now is as a 16 year old. Shravan's love for her has not yet reached the same level of maturity or intensity which he had in the past. Yes...in the past, young Shravan was content to be her friend if Sumo could not think of his overtures in any other way. True...amazing maturity from a 16 year old who knew that Sumo was careful about image and so he worded his love in a way that would be palatable to her without ruffling feathers but can we say he did not hope for more?

May be , maybe not...so the point I am making is that he carried with him a hope larger than the framework of his letter even if the trigger for flight was Sumo's abuse of the vows of friendship, which is why the boy was very hurt and could not forget that in the 10 years. However, was it loss of friendship he rued more or the loss of his dreams as a young lover or the lack of acceptance as a friend? I cant answer that for sure. Someone may say If it was only friendship that he rued, he would have been happy when he got it back on the terrace...we were all sure he had become happy. However, that happiness has been muddied somehow...why? Shrav's boyhood hopes have not changed...only they have verbalised. He is at the stage where he wishes to know his pecking order in her life...be it as a friend or a lover. So it is difficult for me to classify Shrav as immature because his questions have not changed largely. I would call him a man frozen as a 16 year old where Sumo is concerned. He is as mature or immature as he was as a 16 year old. Upto us how we box him as a 16 year old. He did not grow up and yet he lost his innocence, a paradoxical thing...

Loss of innocence is also part of the growing up process. What is the innocence Shrav has lost? He lost the ability to move ahead...He moved on only in the material aspects of life. He lost the ability to grow emotionally, among other things. He lost the ability to separate the behave of a 16 year old and 26 year old.

The point of conditionality in love...and its ramifications...It is a very difficult subject. Well...love is meant to be unconditional. NAJAYAZ FAYDA...and relationships are meant to be mutually exclusive terms. Yet, a simple text of account closure brought out the "beast" in Shravan. To appreciate that...it would be necessary to be in Shrav's shoes yesterday.. His need to lash out at her for his pain at her hands seemed the only thing apparent but Red rightly pointed the Other side of me. He felt being taken advantage of yet he had crossed some boundaries...some unwritten boundaries in the friendship stakes that he had clearly overstepped. The conundrum facing Shrav is not easy. He can lash at Sumo for making him wait and taking advantage of him as a friend but what can he do about his lonely heart that would forever wait for her, because he is helpless against his treacherous heart that has involuntarily crossed the bounds of the bond he seemed to be satisfied with if all else fails.

Thank U, Indrani for the shoving and prodding questions...without that the thoughts just don't occur to me...Thank U Red for that incisive push with the use of absolutely beautiful key words...The other side of me...we all have that don't we...Devil's voice or Devil's advocate...today conversations with the Devil seem to be the flavor of the day...Enjoy the conversations...Happy to have figured as an angel there...but let me just say I am just a romantic fool wanting these two idiots to walk hand-in-hand into the sunset...

Rekha your answer is brilliant. Mindblowing as always👏
But, can it be my questions were incorrectly framed?
Yesterday's episode we saw Shrav waiting.. .but for what? Sumo's message even if not sent for him had clearly told him that friendship was over ... account closed. There was no possible reason for this lawyer to wait and wait for as many hours. Yes, the message also stated that she would be coming to do hisaab barabar... a dialogue which we are familiar with Sumo and yet, Shrav considering his temper and the way the past few days he had been yo yoing between his desire and fear could have found an easy way out and simply left.
This made me think of what do we know of younger Sumo and younger Shrav? How did they meet? Red believes Sumo's humane side made her befriend downtrodden people. But, could Shrav be classified as downtrodden? If we go to the first encounter between the two, when they bumped into each other and Shrav was playing with his rubik cube (brilliant choice by the director), Sumo's dialogue was "Tu Pushkar ka bhai hai na? haan Dekha hain Tujhe...Library main... " (Cant remember the exact dialogues). She had noticed him not only as Push's bro but as someone different from the crowd. Shrav, the nerdy, lonely boy who kept to himself and yet was the most intelligent boy of the class. A boy who was noticed by the girl who though maintaining an image was remarkably similar. It was not I believe it was her humane side but the fact, she was already attracted to this quiet boy. She asked him to play the rubik cube and he agreed. Remember he was taunted "ladki ko impress karne ke liye". The rules had already been changed... attraction was framed within the equation. But, it would have fallen flat if Shrav did not agree to play the rules accordingly. He agreed to impress her and whats more, took the rubik cube changed it again and said "he will wait". A rule he has followed at least till yesterday's episode. When he waited for her to hand over the notes.. was he being abused or he was simply following the Game of Love. When Sumo the girl who could bully anyone in school and particularly, a boy like Shrav yet this same would also cook for him. They were following the rules.
The girl who who maintained her friendship with him on the sly yet found ways to talk to him at school as he could also come up with innovative techniques to play on the game. A girl though lonely in her extended family yet had her Nanu and Mamu who loved her, yet this girl went along with this nerdy friend. Why? There were other friends in her group. Why not them? And why did this boy went along with her? Adult Shrav framed it as fikar karta hun... fikar.. could Sumo be aware of this fikar then as well. They are still following the rules. Only time, Sumo questions his motives is when after coming back from the doctor he refuses to wait. A clear signal that he is changing the rules of the game. A fact that does not go unnoticed by her. A fact which doesnt go unnoticed by Shrav either, as he refuses to spend time with Chachi and family.
The 3 ques which adult Shra asked Sumo were only framed within the conference room because Sumo had already said she did it for him (made the daal). She might not have answered those questions, she might have still been special. He has waited and she has waited as and when the rules of the Game of love keep on changing. The Rubik Cube encapsulates their equation briliantly because their moves is building up the cubes to be whole again. But, one false move can also push them down and their game of love can fail. Shrav had once committed this mistake when he went ahead with the reunion party. A party which led to collateral damage which he wanted to address immediately because he had flouted the rules. But, the damage control was squared again by Sumo handing him over the jewelry of her mom... Hisaab barabar. You do one bad turn to me and I shall do likewise. 😆
Their relationship was never ever premised on friendship, it was always beyond it. It is only now that this friendship is being encoded as love. But, the rules of friendship was flouted from the word go. No wonder Sumo found it easy to move from friendship to being kissed by him on the terrace. But, he again flouted the rules (twice he has committed the mistake) and called it merely friendship; clearly stalling her. And now when he wants to change it to the older equation, he is afraid of having missed few chances. Of having not waited or having waited too long. Both scary stuff for Shrav the nerdy boy.

The other side of me or him or their friendship was Love which due to space created or forged by them have remained in a limbo. Will this time around space create or recreate the older equation?
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Posted: 9 years ago
#46
Indrani,

I am amazed at your memory. Half these childhood scenes I have forgotten.😭

Yesterday's Rubix cube scene - Shravan is trying to solve it and realises that he has not yet made any improvement and throws it in frustration. Any symbolism there ?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Brilliant writings by such amazing people there's magic in your words'' all of you make this mere serial much more than an Indian telly show I really hope the real writers of the show get to read this somehow I am sure it will be an awesome feeling for them beyond the mysterious TRp
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: indranigupta

But, can it be my questions were incorrectly framed?

Those were not wrong questions...as there are never ever wrong questions but yes, we can frame a question any which way we like...your points below point to a wonderful observation...the premise of friendship founded on love..how beautiful is that?

What do we know of younger Sumo and younger Shrav? How did they meet? Red believes Sumo's humane side made her befriend downtrodden people. But, could Shrav be classified as downtrodden? If we go to the first encounter between the two, when they bumped into each other and Shrav was playing with his rubik cube (brilliant choice by the director), Sumo's dialogue was "Tu Pushkar ka bhai hai na? haan Dekha hain Tujhe...Library main... " (Cant remember the exact dialogues). She had noticed him not only as Push's bro but as someone different from the crowd. Shrav, the nerdy, lonely boy who kept to himself and yet was the most intelligent boy of the class. A boy who was noticed by the girl who though maintaining an image was remarkably similar. It was not I believe it was her humane side but the fact, she was already attracted to this quiet boy. She asked him to play the rubik cube and he agreed. Remember he was taunted "ladki ko impress karne ke liye". The rules had already been changed... attraction was framed within the equation. But, it would have fallen flat if Shrav did not agree to play the rules accordingly. He agreed to impress her and whats more, took the rubik cube changed it again and said "he will wait". A rule he has followed at least till yesterday's episode. When he waited for her to hand over the notes.. was he being abused or he was simply following the Game of Love. When Sumo the girl who could bully anyone in school and particularly, a boy like Shrav yet this same would also cook for him. They were following the rules.
The girl who who maintained her friendship with him on the sly yet found ways to talk to him at school as he could also come up with innovative techniques to play on the game. A girl though lonely in her extended family yet had her Nanu and Mamu who loved her, yet this girl went along with this nerdy friend. Why? There were other friends in her group. Why not them? And why did this boy went along with her? Adult Shrav framed it as fikar karta hun... fikar.. could Sumo be aware of this fikar then as well. They are still following the rules. Only time, Sumo questions his motives is when after coming back from the doctor he refuses to wait. A clear signal that he is changing the rules of the game. A fact that does not go unnoticed by her. A fact which doesnt go unnoticed by Shrav either, as he refuses to spend time with Chachi and family.
The 3 ques which adult Shra asked Sumo were only framed within the conference room because Sumo had already said she did it for him (made the daal). She might not have answered those questions, she might have still been special. He has waited and she has waited as and when the rules of the Game of love keep on changing. The Rubik Cube encapsulates their equation briliantly because their moves is building up the cubes to be whole again. But, one false move can also push them down and their game of love can fail. Shrav had once committed this mistake when he went ahead with the reunion party. A party which led to collateral damage which he wanted to address immediately because he had flouted the rules. But, the damage control was squared again by Sumo handing him over the jewelry of her mom... Hisaab barabar. You do one bad turn to me and I shall do likewise. 😆

Yes, these two have hisab barabar down pat... They always did things for each other. Tho the "keep the score" moves started after the 10 year distance. I say it has a lot to do with them meeting each other as equals or definitely something close to that...That there is a different interpretation to this equation, I don't deny but will keep it for discussion when more of Sumo's cards are on the table. So, coming back to their equation, irrespective of how these two were in school, none of Sumo's actions in the current phase have made us believe that she assumes a superior position in the relationship. Similarly, Shrav met Sumo on far more firm ground...he was not the meek guy of the past (his insecurities are beginning to be more noticeable now).

Their relationship was never ever premised on friendship, it was always beyond it. It is only now that this friendship is being encoded as love. But, the rules of friendship was flouted from the word go. No wonder Sumo found it easy to move from friendship to being kissed by him on the terrace. But, he again flouted the rules (twice he has committed the mistake) and called it merely friendship; clearly stalling her. And now when he wants to change it to the older equation, he is afraid of having missed few chances. Of having not waited or having waited too long. Both scary stuff for Shrav the nerdy boy.

In fact, Indrani...therein lies the answer to why Sumo's realisation was never a Eureka moment. It was not a fanfare moment and rightly so. For Shrav, yes we had to trudge a slightly more arduous path (kya karen ladke ka dimag kharab hain). sahi pakde hain Indraniji...Having moved to a "najayaz fayda" position how does he play back to move to the older equation? It's and wait and watch game for now...waiting for phone calls and texts. Pull and push at its best...

The other side of me or him or their friendship was Love which due to space created or forged by them have remained in a limbo. Will this time around space create or recreate the older equation?

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: JJKKL

Sanfan,

So nice of you to have replied to my message first. I agree with your following statement

It is never possible to prove ever conclusively, who loves more in a relationship of love and that is the way it should be...Its just that we end up seeing a journey from a certain prism and we root for that character or have strong beliefs about that character. Again..that's natural.

Now I feel my prism is getting tilted on a regular basis. 😆
What does that say about myself as a person ? I wonder.

If there are two such characters in real life it would be very difficult for them to reach their destination - each plagued with their own past guilts, mistakes, misconceptions and prejudices. But then maybe not. Because all of us are plagued in varying degress with the above...

Red,

Thanks for the reply. I am boombarded with Suman supporters everywhere. You and Sanfan here. And chick and beagleboy in chick's thread. 😆 It is so nice to read the different views.
J, Shrav's supporters are plenty... at this moment Sumo needs supporters. The day Shrav requires one, rest assured all the above writers will frame it differently. And if it is a consolation for you, I am always in your camp😉

Indrani,

How creative and brilliant is that ? You should title it Coffee with the Devil. I thought that a certain director will be the devil herself. Wanting all to follow her. And for your info our writer has said he is a big fan of her. I hope he said it just for the press and did not mean it.
Thank you, J. Am glad you liked it. Thought of framing it as Coffee with Devil.. then thought of plagiarism... so the present title evolved. I do hope the writer was kidding when he praised the Lady Producer and Director. If he really believes her praiseworthy... this show of ours might be in big trouble. Devil might win...😆

Edited by indranigupta - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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indrani..🤗
amazing conversation with Devil..
i enjoy the way shra checked his phone..
want this more but for few scenes...

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