Internalized Misogyny in ITV - Page 5

Originally posted by: krithi1990

I can't control myself whenever seeing Vadivelu movie "Imsai arasan 23 m pulikesi

Vadivelu is a gem. Miss him so much these days.

Yes grey males are adored like anything and female grey leads are abused. Sadly.

I think one reason is girl falls in love with hero and as a woman tends to be jealous of female lead not just due to hero. Two women cannot be friends like that.

Also our standard for women is diff. Women are supposed to be sensible and compassionate and morally perfect.

Originally posted by: Euphoria.

We are accustomed to watching angry young men rule TV for a while now. People think manhandling is passionate, and that's probably why Gul's shows still work. If only people tried putting themselves in the position of the girl who is being manhandled - in real life, those men should be slapped, not loved.

Negative FLs is a new area. The only other show I have heard of attempting this is Beyhadh. Since writers do not have a precedent to follow in this area, they don't know how to handle it, and like you said - the same audiences who stan those abusive MLs would be the first to question the intentions of similar FLs. The writers themselves go overboard and somehow us women have some serious double standards. Even if we talk about women empowerment, few would accept a female lead who is stronger than the male lead.

I like the leads to be equally strong, it makes for better storytelling but growing up, I was okay with watching those manipulative MLs rule TV. Thank goodness I have outgrown that stage, LOL, but this is an interesting question indeed.

Where is manhandling in Kulfi? The husband who manhandled Happy is not main lead. It was part of character.

Originally posted by: krithi1990

Your words reflected the reality of the society.

If a man shows his vengeance he will be called an angry (young) man. But for a woman she will be called vampire. 🤣

True. Nothing more or less. Sometimes the less the words the more the impact. A male main lead wud have been in Shrenu place and wud have heralded for skies to be able to avenge his pain both in theatre or tv. But a main lead turns to be female? NO NO!!! 😊 If she indeed has t avenge she has to follow all rules of society and the same rules broken by male to avenge? Wow he has guts!! 😊

Originally posted by: DivzOnAir

Hear hear!

There is nothing wrong in disliking a female character - good or bad, but just make sure you hold a male character to the same standard. And there, I do believe we have failed, and our tv and movie industries have failed us (although the latter is bringing forth changes, don’t know much about tv shows nowadays to comment). It’s like a catch-22, the industry blames the viewers, the viewers blame the industry, I think both are at fault. We have been conditioned to think stalking, bullying and physical intimidation are signs of twu wuv. Sick, that’s what it is. A woman dares stand up for herself, or make her own decisions which might fail, she’s branded a bish. Wow!

In the show’s context, I don’t mind anyone not liking Jahnvi/Pooja as long as they understand her character, and not invent canon. But now look, the show is kinda changing it’s tone too. Why?

Isn’t it sad that even millenials (or should I say especially) show this bias? I don’t know many gen Z’s, but I hope they have better standards, though I won’t hold out hope.

I think they took up her acting sane and cleared it up even more now.

Originally posted by: SRKisLove

Yeah that's what I've been seeing since yesterday. The show's moral tone has shifted.

Everyone wants Pooja to only target Senior Mittals, but how is she going to target Senior Mittals if Kabir is protecting them? Logical question.

I wanted at least one outburst of Kabir (like he had with PK), that the senior Mittals are responsible for all this. But he has totally forgotten their complicity in the crimes.

Now the show is trying to show Pooja like Sridevi's character in Laadla.

Like really, Kabir said he feels no sympathy/pity for Pooja?

He doesn't understand the gravity of the crimes committed by his family, and Pooja suffered through that for twenty years. Is she going to forgive them in 2 days, and give them respect and place to live? What world is he living in?

They are similar but i don't think they necessarily are following it. Yes it wud be that way though.

Originally posted by: shruzzy

i m in favour of tashan between pooja and kabir but kabir is no saint he is living in his dream land right nd wrong according to him the only problem is he was ready to leave family for kavya but didnt even confronted his own family for pooja thats what irk me and believe me onot he is like this from 1st even in vyom he had hidden things whatever be the reason and here he is hiding and protecting senior mittals he is no good and dhruv sulking just for betrayal but what pooja is going through is worst i dont know about trp but i m definitely on pooja's side

Right. Everyone has their own reasons and feel what they are doing is right. They all live their own lives right? I see it as two people who are against each other. Pooja is not always wrong when she condemned Kabir holding her hand and paining her. His bro did the samething with her once when he knew she was hiding something.

Iam on Pooja's side as well! Makers want us to be on Kabir's side though.

Originally posted by: -Sanjana-

I applaud this response! Perfectly summarizes everything I wanted to say. When I was younger, the types of shows with abusive MLs were somehow appealing (and almost a turn-on, I regret to say). I think as females, we associate a male's anger or abuse towards a female as possessiveness almost. And it's completely unintentional, but somehow, over the years, a ML saying things like "tum sirf meri ho" and grabbing the FL by the arm and bruising her is almost "romantic". But if you really think about it, it's assault! Moreover, the whole "bad boy" vibe IS appealing to a lot of women because either a) they are currently in physically or psychologically abusive relationships and use these shows to justify that their relationship is love rather than abuse or b) they like the fact that the FL is almost always able to "change him" for the better. Also, if you think about it, a lot of the intense and abusive ML characters that are present in ITV are like that due to some past that they have. And so the idea that a man can be broken and need fixing by the FL is often appealing.

I think times are changing though. Women empowerment is a big thing and I now find a show utterly boring and useless if the FL doesn't have some spine. I'm really hoping more shows start to have grey characters...no one is all good or all bad..there are shades within everyone in reality...and that really needs to start being reflected more in ITV.

Then y can't a woman be broken? Men are pampered alot more than necessary by society.