EBSS Chat Club #2-Its Kabir's Turn - Page 39

Originally posted by: Lolita30

If Pooja can't respect the food she has been craving for as a child and had no qualms in spoiling it even if to put forward a point then I honestly don't know what to say, there are many ways to look into things it's not only black or white

It's like saying that to make someone feel my pain I have to make them feel the same, so if someone assaults me tomorrow and I want to explain how much it pained me, I should assault the person whom I try to explain my pain to just because they weren't enough empathetic to understand my pain

I'm not fond of these games from both sides, I get annoyed but he had a point, she disrespected his food, he took hers and shared it with others, to make a point as well but at least he didn't spoil it

If we look at it clearly, he hardly resorts to any petty trick unless she really provokes and humiliates him, pettiness was never his style, for now he has no assets or other means to achieve his goals apart from his patience and eventually waiting for her till she gets tired of those tricks, something like the war of attrition, but meanwhile as a human being, he can't take all the humiliations without explaining that her waars are actually her stooping low

Another thing which I found screaming double standards is how she was angry with Kabir for rejecting Pooja and bringing tears to her eyes, if we go by that logic then Kabir should be hell furious for what she has turned Dhruv into

We all understand that Pooja had a painful past, she lost her father and went into lots of hardships and trauma, no one can deny that but the fact that she experienced all this should be a reason for her to understand others as well, as they say even a dushmani should have some osools, u have all the right to hate them, no one is asking u to love them but at least don't make it like it's all justified just because of the painful past, junior Mittals are not responsible for it, they genuinely loved her, what they lived with her was true, they considered her as their own, so them being hurt for her pretense is logical because we talk about feelings even if their mind tries to understand the reasons behind what she did, they can't wipe the feeling of betrayal they had from a person they genuinely loved

@ Bold- Agreed.I have said that before as well that Kabir has a stronger moral code than Pooja. He does not use people mercilessly like Pooja used Dhruv. He could have easily used Rani but he did not. Infact, he did Pooja a favor, now Ranu will home and join hands with her older sister again.

Originally posted by: JDTKP

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Just trying to finish an OS and admiring our shiny new banner.

As regards the Kabir v/s Pooja debate:

Till yesterday l was annoyed by both, but now the writers are reminding audience why Pooja is doing what she is doing.

Surprisingly I really liked today's episode.

I don't think Pooja was mean to the workers. They riled her by siding with Kabir. Even though, she fought back smartly. And Pooja has always been like this, l mean she was fooling the Mittals by her sarvgun smpanna act, and now she is doing the same with workers. She always a shady gal.

Like someone pointed out in another thread that Pooja is neither a good person nor a bad person. She does what needs to be done. She is not the hero of the masses, to genuinely care for workers. As long as she's following union laws and not downright torturing them, l am fine with her.

As regards her pettiness, she has twenty years of trauma as a child.

20 years of trauma versus one week of poverty, which is worse?

I don't support her actions, but l see where she is coming from, after today's episode.

I see really less justification for Kabir and even lesser for Jai.

What Pooja needs is therapy. What Kabir needs is to examine his conscience and see what, not just his father, but his grandpa mother and aunt did to her. At least Pooja didn't sent them to jail like she should have for keeping quiet about murder. 😠

Again, I am saying all this on the basis of today's episode. It might change tomorrow when writers forget the plot 😂

The only one who has just cause to be angry with Pooja, is Dhruv. I don't like him and he has as much personality as my fingernail, but he didn't deserve to be made fool of.

The only thing about Pooja that annoys me now, is that why take over the business at all? She should have sold it off to build a hospital with that money. That's what Jahnvi said she'll do, in the initial episodes. That would have made her father happy.

But writers have forgotten this because they want to show petty tussle for which they need to make Pooja as capitalist and Kabir the messaih of the masses 🙄

Originally posted by: Amy142

That's right. And is exactly the reason both are annoying. Kabir need not stoop to Pooja 's level in pettiness.

What do u suggest him to do with the means he has right now, ok rejoin secret agent job but then no more contact between Pooja and Kabir/Mittals so no story lol

I know these small tricks are hell annoying but if there is one point I liked is that he never initiated it and another thing she spoilt his food, so with justice he has the right to get her food, real pettiness would have been him throwing mitti in her food the way she did to his, but he didn't he actually made her understand that she disrespected food.

It would have not been good either if you keep getting humiliated without uttering a word, who would stand badtameezi from anyone, he still has a lot of patience actually since he is focusing on his goals now though he still doesn't have enough means to achieve them, but keeping quiet while getting humiliated isn't a Kabir thing, if he thinks something is wrong he tries to show it, he is the same one who took his selfie for shrad in the widow pooja to condemn the practice of vidva pooja

I just said my piece, if l say more I'll be accused of bias 😂 so I will refrain from commenting on the show

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Okay may be I was not clear, I am not team Kabir or team Pooja. I am team EBSS and I felt the pace was good but the pettiness on both parties is making the show stagnant. I expect better from both of them.

Pooja does need therapy, I have always maintained that to which I mean she needs to let go of the pain and hurt now that she had achieved her revenge and not that she needs to turn into a good girl. As far as Junior Mittals are concerned Pooja is serving what was served to her. Everyone thought her father was guilty, wrongly so but they did, and they treated Pooja and Rani horribly. The girls should have been removed from that situation and they were not. So if Pooja is making Junior Mittals suffer cos society did that to them so she thinks okay.

Kabir is idealistic to a fault. His ideals mean that he will stand by his family and I think that is his right.I mean when it counted knowing full well that Pooja wanted to kill his father he saved her on that cliff. Senior Mittals on the other hand should apologize to Pooja rather than curse her. He was a special agent for crying out loud he needs to start acting like it.

Its the petty games that are getting to me. They did do Pooja some justice with the whole manipulation of workers. Lets see what next episodes have in store for us.

Originally posted by: SRKisLove

As regards the Kabir v/s Pooja debate:

Till yesterday l was annoyed by both, but now the writers are reminding audience why Pooja is doing what she is doing.

Surprisingly I really liked today's episode.

I don't think Pooja was mean to the workers. They riled her by siding with Kabir. Even though, she fought back smartly. And Pooja has always been like this, l mean she was fooling the Mittals by her sarvgun smpanna act, and now she is doing the same with workers. She always a shady gal.

Like someone pointed out in another thread that Pooja is neither a good person nor a bad person. She does what needs to be done. She is not the hero of the masses, to genuinely care for workers. As long as she's following union laws and not downright torturing them, l am fine with her.

As regards her pettiness, she has twenty years of trauma as a child.

20 years of trauma versus one week of poverty, which is worse?

I don't support her actions, but l see where she is coming from, after today's episode.

I see really less justification for Kabir and even lesser for Jai.

What Pooja needs is therapy. What Kabir needs is to examine his conscience and see what, not just his father, but his grandpa mother and aunt did to her. At least Pooja didn't sent them to jail like she should have for keeping quiet about murder. 😠

Again, I am saying all this on the basis of today's episode. It might change tomorrow when writers forget the plot 😂

The only one who has just cause to be angry with Pooja, is Dhruv. I don't like him and he has as much personality as my fingernail, but he didn't deserve to be made fool of.

The only thing about Pooja that annoys me now, is that why take over the business at all? She should have sold it off to build a hospital with that money. That's what Jahnvi said she'll do, in the initial episodes. That would have made her father happy.

But writers have forgotten this because they want to show petty tussle for which they need to make Pooja as capitalist and Kabir the messaih of the masses 🙄

I think its kabir who is provoking her he came to her for asking the home and property back, He challenged her which irked and provoked pooja

Also i dont like pooja doing petty things but seeing on the other side if she had done "jnhvi wala damage" she would have termed as hurting the innocents already people are saying that dhruv ke sath galat hua but why not saying PK ke sath sahi hua and dusre sr. Mittals ke sath wohi ho

I dont know why we always find fault in pooja/janhvi when we already know the motives of her.

Kabir never wanted to be in business he left this very so called home for army but now certainly he wants everything back just the way he got rented house he could he have got money/job anything or izzat bhi aa jati

But again it would have created tashan and to keep bpth of them in the light of correctness they need to do such petty things only

Originally posted by: SRKisLove

As regards the Kabir v/s Pooja debate:

Till yesterday l was annoyed by both, but now the writers are reminding audience why Pooja is doing what she is doing.

Surprisingly I really liked today's episode.

I don't think Pooja was mean to the workers. They riled her by siding with Kabir. Even though, she fought back smartly. And Pooja has always been like this, l mean she was fooling the Mittals by her sarvgun smpanna act, and now she is doing the same with workers. She always a shady gal.

Like someone pointed out in another thread that Pooja is neither a good person nor a bad person. She does what needs to be done. She is not the hero of the masses, to genuinely care for workers. As long as she's following union laws and not downright torturing them, l am fine with her.

As regards her pettiness, she has twenty years of trauma as a child.

20 years of trauma versus one week of poverty, which is worse?

I don't support her actions, but l see where she is coming from, after today's episode.

I see really less justification for Kabir and even lesser for Jai.

What Pooja needs is therapy. What Kabir needs is to examine his conscience and see what, not just his father, but his grandpa mother and aunt did to her. At least Pooja didn't sent them to jail like she should have for keeping quiet about murder. 😠

Again, I am saying all this on the basis of today's episode. It might change tomorrow when writers forget the plot 😂

The only one who has just cause to be angry with Pooja, is Dhruv. I don't like him and he has as much personality as my fingernail, but he didn't deserve to be made fool of.

The only thing about Pooja that annoys me now, is that why take over the business at all? She should have sold it off to build a hospital with that money. That's what Jahnvi said she'll do, in the initial episodes. That would have made her father happy.

But writers have forgotten this because they want to show petty tussle for which they need to make Pooja as capitalist and Kabir the messaih of the masses 🙄

I think its kabir who is provoking her he came to her for asking the home and property back, He challenged her which irked and provoked pooja

Also i dont like pooja doing petty things but seeing on the other side if she had done "jnhvi wala damage" she would have termed as hurting the innocents already people are saying that dhruv ke sath galat hua but why not saying PK ke sath sahi hua and dusre sr. Mittals ke sath wohi ho

I dont know why we always find fault in pooja/janhvi when we already know the motives of her.

Kabir never wanted to be in business he left this very so called home for army but now certainly he wants everything back just the way he got rented house he could he have got money/job anything or izzat bhi aa jati

But again it would have not created tashan and to keep both of them in the light of correctness they need to do such petty things only.

Originally posted by: Lolita30

What do u suggest him to do with the means he has right now, ok rejoin secret agent job but then no more contact between Pooja and Kabir/Mittals so no story lol

I know these small tricks are hell annoying but if there is one point I liked is that he never initiated it and another thing she spoilt his food, so with justice he has the right to get her food, real pettiness would have been him throwing mitti in her food the way she did to his, but he didn't he actually made her understand that she disrespected food.

It would have not been good either if you keep getting humiliated without uttering a word, who would stand badtameezi from anyone, he still has a lot of patience actually since he is focusing on his goals now though he still doesn't have enough means to achieve them, but keeping quiet while getting humiliated isn't a Kabir thing, if he thinks something is wrong he tries to show it, he is the same one who took his selfie for shrad in the widow pooja to condemn the practice of vidva pooja

Lol, who am I to suggest what kabir should do. He definitely did send pebbles in the lunch box for the Sharma family to enjoy. Talking about being rich is one thing. Throwing poverty on someone's face is another.

He has been shown as a better person than janhvi/ Pooja before. No, I didn't suggest that he remain silent and let Pooja continue her verbal diarrhoea. But his actions are right now no better than Pooja who was right till she was acting as janhvi. Now she's someone else who is simply petty.

Originally posted by: SRKisLove

20 years of trauma versus one week of poverty, which is worse?

I don't support her actions, but l see where she is coming from, after today's episode.

I see really less justification for Kabir and even lesser for Jai.

Definitely the 20years of trauma, no one has said something else but junior Mittals are not responsible for what she lived, they are also victims of circumstances, and they were used in her quest for revenge, two wrongs don't make a right, just because others in life had more pain than us it doesn't make us forget our own feelings and pain albeit way lesser than others, otherwise we would find people forgetting their own pain and going to save others who face more pain than them

And do we expect Kabir and others to send their family to jail to give justice to Pooja, Kabir tried to be as much fair as he could and actually was ready to send PK to jail, others are guilty by omission but we can't expect him to do that given the circumstances, yaar even in common law there is what is called spousal testimonial privilege (also called spousal incompetency and spousal immunity) which protects the individual holding the privilege from being called to testify in proceedings relating to his/her spouse, and here we want the junior Mittals to send their family to jail when they knew PK was the main culprit and others were weak and selfish to stand to him

Here I'm not discussing who is right or who is wrong, who is fair and who is not (though I mentioned that bit about Kabir) but the main muda is just the way Pooja is understandable from where she stands even junior Mittals are understandable from where they stand though they didn't face the same pain as her

Anyways I rest my case here LOL, I was trying to bring a different perspective from what others brought, it is easier to speak for someone who had something obviously tragic like Pooja and understand where she comes from but way more difficult to see things from the perspective of someone who wasn't as much wronged as her but was wronged anyways

I honestly have seen this in other shows as well where when the female has a troubled past, every action of her is still not taken as harshly as the hero's one taken because she has the free pass of her painful past, her trauma, her pain, her damaged soul but does that make others' feelings of less importance?!!