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Posted: 13 years ago
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In Mythology, there are many examples of Demons doing tapah & getting various boons for that. Most of them stars ill-treating people thinking, nobody can defeat them. Various crimes are comitted by them just because of that boon. Who is actually responsible for their acts, like Narakasura is shown currently, is he responsible or Brahamaji should also be held responsible for creating imbalance in the world, kidnapping 16000 women is not a small crime. Just because of that boon nobody could stop him till now. Who is actually responsible for suffering of those women. Shouldn't Brahamaji be held responsible for disturbing the balance of the world created by him?😃

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Minakshi, very good topic 👍🏼

Actually, Brahma had a history of doing this. Most famous example being Ravan, but there were others - Hiranyakashipu, Mahishashur Mardini, Indrajit and some others I can't recall. End result being that either Vishnu had to take an avatar, or sometimes, either Vishnu or Shiva had to do some strange things. For instance, Mahishashur's sister Mahishi wanted a boon that she be killed by a child born to Shiva and Vishnu, thinking that it was impossible. That's why Vishnu had to take the form of Mohini and give birth to Ayappa to do it.

Shiva too did it on occasion - he granted Surapadman a boon that he won't be killed by any power except him. End result was that since Shiva was unmarried (after Sati's death), the devas tried to get him to marry Parvati and get a son who would put them out of their misery. That son was Kartikeya. He granted Madhu a boon that as long as he or his son had his trishul, nobody could kill him. So Shatrughan had to catch Lavanasura unawares w/o his trishul. Shiva also granted Banasura the boon that he'd not be defeated by anybody other than one equal in power to him.

Anyway, back to your question: I partly agree w/ you that Brahma is responsible, but remember, the original boons requested from all these demons were immortality, whereas the boons ultimately granted were watered down versions w/ loopholes that would allow Narayan or Mahadev to kill them under those conditions. With the 3 gods, if someone did years of tapas, it would have been unlawful of them to not grant them anything of their choice. Even the devas on occasion appealed to Brahma not to grant them what they wanted, but that was a non-starter.

Point is once these demons got their power, they became arrogant. Most of them (that we've read of) did abuse their power, like the ones listed above. But a few didn't - Bali, the grandson of Prahlad, did his penances only to avenge his father, while Vibhishan only sought to be righteous, and despite being granted immortality that no-one else, not even Ravan got, he never persecuted anyone. But the ones who did, their crimes had to reach a certain threshold b4 Vishnu or Shiva started acting: none of them could preemptively punish anyone w/o looking unjust.

Curiously, I'm surprised that none of the demons ever meditated to Vishnu asking him for such boons. In fact, the only one I recall meditating to Vishnu was Dhruva, and that too for the simple right of sitting on his father's lap: Vishnu granted him his father's succession (despite him being younger) and a constellation named after him. Other than that, nobody ever approached Vishnu for such a boon.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Lord Shiva, being Bholenath, was always easy to please, most of the demons prayed to him. Brahamaji being the creator of the world, must be having power to see in future, how the person asking for the boon, will use it. So he should have granted the boon accordingly. Vishnuji, from the beginning has been taking different incarnations to kill various demons, so they not be asking from him, only the demons, who didn't seek power, but prayed for much higher goals, worshipped Vishnuji.

It's true that Lord Shiva & Vishnauji had asked Brahamaji not to give such boons to demons. But when a person creats a very big karma, through worship or tapah, he deservs a boon for that, but the Gods should give it responsibaly. That is why Lord Shiva has locked most of the Mantras, to avoid such situation, where anybody can do hard tapah & later make people's life difficult.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Actually, it wasn't Shiva & Vishnu who asked Brahma to deny such requests - it was the devas - Indra, Vayu, Surya, et al. As you point out, Shiva was easy to please and usually granted such boons w/o even thinking - best example being Bhashmasura (there, one more example I recalled!) And I think b'cos Vishnu showed his partiality towards the Devas in Kurma avatar when he ensured that only they, but not the Asuras, got the amrit, the Devas probably assumed that he'd never be fair to them. To an extent, given how he turned on Bali, I'd say that the asuras were right!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Asuras didn't woship Mother Godess that much, because she too helped devas killing some big asuras, who couln't be killed by gods. Killing Mahishasur, Shumbh, Nishmbh, Raktabeeja, Bhandasura etc, was only possible by her. She is the power, shakti of all the gods. It is said without Shakti, Shiva is a shaba. Vishnuji without his yogamaya is incompelete.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: mnx12

Asuras didn't woship Mother Godess that much, because she too helped devas killing some big asuras, who couln't be killed by gods. Killing Mahishasur, Shumbh, Nishmbh, Raktabeeja, Bhandasura etc, was only possible by her. She is the power, shakti of all the gods. It is said without Shakti, Shiva is a shaba. Vishnuji without his yogamaya are incompelete.



hey mnx , the asuras never worshipped mother Goddess coz i think she never really responds, either to devas or to asuras. I dont recall even devas doing tapah for her boon. She is really impartial and only comes to teach them lessons. i recall when the devas grew too arrogant, she told them to destroy a thrift of grass with their mighty power. None of them could do it, and she told them, without shakti nothing is possible. same goes for the demons, I think mahisasura was a big bhakt who wanted the mother to give him salvation,and thats why she had to come and kill him.thats one way of seeing it i guess.

another was of seeing it is, most asuras were arrogant, ruthless male chauvinists and worshipping a female deity was never appealing to them.
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hey mnx , the asuras never worshipped mother Goddess coz i think she never really responds, either to devas or to asuras. I dont recall even devas doing tapah for her boon. She is really impartial and only comes to teach them lessons. i recall when the devas grew too arrogant, she told them to destroy a thrift of grass with their mighty power. None of them could do it, and she told them, without shakti nothing is possible. same goes for the demons, I think mahisasura was a big bhakt who wanted the mother to give him salvation,and thats why she had to come and kill him.thats one way of seeing it i guess.

another was of seeing it is, most asuras were arrogant, ruthless male chauvinists and worshipping a female deity was never appealing to them.
Mahishasura, was not her bhakta. Whever all the devas together were not able to kill any asura due to some boon, they had prayed to her & she had responded. In Uttara charitra of Durga-saptashati, devas have prayed to her in Shakradaya Stuti, to free them from the powerful asuras Shumbha, Nishumbh, Raktabeeja, Chanda, Munda, Dhumralochana. After killing all of them, all the devas prayed to her again & asked for a boon, that she will kill their enemies, which was granted by her.😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: mnx12



hey mnx , the asuras never worshipped mother Goddess coz i think she never really responds, either to devas or to asuras. I dont recall even devas doing tapah for her boon. She is really impartial and only comes to teach them lessons. i recall when the devas grew too arrogant, she told them to destroy a thrift of grass with their mighty power. None of them could do it, and she told them, without shakti nothing is possible. same goes for the demons, I think mahisasura was a big bhakt who wanted the mother to give him salvation,and thats why she had to come and kill him.thats one way of seeing it i guess.

another was of seeing it is, most asuras were arrogant, ruthless male chauvinists and worshipping a female deity was never appealing to them.

Mahishasura, was not her bhakta. Whever all the devas together were not able to kill any asura due to some boon, they had prayed to her & she had responded. In Uttara charitra of Durga-saptashati, devas have prayed to her in Shakradaya Stuti, to free them from the powerful asuras Shumbha, Nishumbh, Raktabeeja, Chanda, Munda, Dhumralochana. After killing all of them, all the devas prayed to her again & asked for a boon, that she will kill their enemies, which was granted by her.😊

i read some where, that before dying mahisasura asked her boon to be immortalised with her, and she granted it saying his name will always be mentioned and he will always be offered puja whenever durga will be worshipped. I dont know if it for all region, but for durgapuja , the durga idol always comes with mahisasura and also he is worshipped and anjali mantram includes his name.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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i read some where, that before dying mahisasura asked her boon to be immortalised with her, and she granted it saying his name will always be mentioned and he will always be offered puja whenever durga will be worshipped. I dont know if it for all region, but for durgapuja , the durga idol always comes with mahisasura and also he is worshipped and anjali mantram includes his name.
Yes, that part is true,but he was never her bhakta before. In Durga-saptashati it is mentioned, that while worshiping 18 handed godess, Mahish should be given an offering too..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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When Kartikeya killed Simhamukha & Surapadma, they too turned contrite after his spear had hit them, so he granted the first be Kali's vehicle, and the latter his own.
I know that in Durga Pujas, Mahishashur is always shown, but I wasn't aware that he too had turned contrite and asked her for anything

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