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Posted: 11 years ago
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From the look of it...R has actually no intention of arranging a date with karan...looks like he just wants to meet her for dinner and talk..maybe wants to explain her his talk with karan...
but shivani immediately got lost in her fantasy world... giving a simple invitation a fantasy name and was went into her own world of dreams...

this "definition" of Date might have given an idea for Raghu to call karan in between...šŸ˜• so not totally his fault...


yest with her suicide drama she forced Raghu to open up with karan about their relation...and 2 day with hi class experience gave an idea of date to Raghu...

I think this what is scaring Raghu... she still not thinking like a wife of a middle class man... she is still in her princess world...so obviously what Raghu is feeling that he cannot provide her the luxuries she deserves is quiet reasonable...

hope shivani understands this soon...

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I don't think its shivani's fault either... the man she loves is suddenly calling u up after a confrontration n near death exoerience n tells her that he wants to start their relation afresh n asks her to come n meet him outside their house for dinner ... any girl would think that he is inviting u to dinner... n being innocent n impulsive as she is she just blurts out what she understood from his words...

If any raghu understood that shivani has musunderstoid him... so what should he do? Correct it n don't give it a chance to escalate ...especially he has seen her thinking of his actions as love... but no! He doesn't correct tje misunderstanding ...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@ Dhanya...
I'm not talking about whose fault it is...I'm just talking about how this idea of date with karan generated... I see both of them as equally as human beings...who has fair chances of making mistakes...

so only I said...it's not "totally" his fault...which means Raghu's partial fault is there...if he invited karan...taking the idea of date from shivani's talk...


If R is wrong not correcting her...shivani is also wrong not understanding him...she cannot come to conclusions on his feelings as usual...

so partial fault...invovles fault from both of them...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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N i think the whole idea is raghu's only... given his limited vocabulary in englush as with bela , what shivani did was just explain to him the meaning of date... which she thought is what he meant by calling her outside for dinner... she just asked him what she understoid from his words n it was ibvious that raghu didn't know what it meant... but even after realising what she meant he went ahead with it...
Bec i think the dinner was planned beforehand... i don't thibk raghu will callshivani up without the consent of karan... the scene between karan n raghu wasn't shown concluded...raghu was shown waiting for karan's answer... so we don't know what exactly karan told him...the idea could b karan's too... or is raghu goung on dictating each n everyine arond hum what to do or what not to?



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Latha.I

@ Dhanya...

I'm not talking about whose fault it is...I'm just talking about how this idea of date with karan generated... I see both of them as equally as human beings...who has fair chances of making mistakes...

so only I said...it's not "totally" his fault...which means Raghu's partial fault is there...if he invited karan...taking the idea of date from shivani's talk...


If R is wrong not correcting her...shivani is also wrong not understanding him...she cannot come to conclusions on his feelings as usual...

so partial fault...invovles fault from both of them...




He was playing with his words with her... what us shivani supposed to understand if the person whom she lives is telling her hat they would begin their lives afresh n that too inviting her for dinner...its hope that made her understand what she understood...but raghu realised that she musunderstood...he could have corrected her...he didn't...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Yess the whole date thing was Shivani's fantasy ... Raghu might hv planned a dinner for Karan and Shivani so that both can meet and come close ... but Shivani immediately fantacised it as date between GF and BF which further gave the idea to Raghu to make it more grand in Shivani's style ...

Somewhere I want to see things from Raghu's POV too just how we often see things from Shivani's POV .. and if I see it from Raghu's POV , then I feel this is where he wants to push Shivani away because her world is indeed different from Raghu's world ... in Raghu's world it would hv been a simple dinner between two but in Shivani's world its a dinner date between two lovers ... there is a world of difference between hving a simple dinner and hving a romantic dinner date ... reality vs fairytale .. no wonder Raghu says our worlds r different .. and I m saying this strictly from his POV .. we need to understand him too .. he too is a human after all ...


Coming to Shivani's POV , yes she is in love and she is not calculating the whole reality vs fairytale world like Raghu does ... so she was naive to tell him about date without realising what Raghu will assume from it

I dont want to take any sides this time because from where I see ..its two individuals who r hving different POV when it comes to love and relationships ...


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: jyoti06

Yess the whole date thing was Shivani's fantasy ... Raghu might hv planned a dinner for Karan and Shivani so that both can meet and come close ... but Shivani immediately fantacised it as date between GF and BF which further gave the idea to Raghu to make it more grand in Shivani's style ...

Somewhere I want to see things from Raghu's POV too just how we often see things from Shivani's POV .. and if I see it from Raghu's POV , then I feel this is where he wants to push Shivani away because her world is indeed different from Raghu's world ... in Raghu's world it would hv been a simple dinner between two but in Shivani's world its a dinner date between two lovers ... there is a world of difference between hving a simple dinner and hving a romantic dinner date ... reality vs fairytale .. no wonder Raghu says our worlds r different .. and I m saying this strictly from his POV .. we need to understand him too .. he too is a human after all ...


Coming to Shivani's POV , yes she is in love and she is not calculating the whole reality vs fairytale world like Raghu does ... so she was naive to tell him about date without realising what Raghu will assume from it

I dont want to take any sides this time because from where I see ..its two individuals who r hving different POV when it comes to love and relationships ...



I think you have summed it up beautifully...

We tried to understand shivani pov when she was in her hate phase but why can't we do the same when raghu is going about it in the wrong way but still thinks that in the long run shivani will be happy with someone like karan...

I think it's important to remember when we see shivani as human then raghu too is human who will take wrong decisions and I think as love is something alien to him and never got the opportunity to dream unlike shivani will be totally clueless and doesn't understand the depth of love...

He too me needs a guiding hand just like shivani seems to get and if karan to helps shivani as well then raghu will continue to make mistakes after mistakes in his pursuit to make shivani happy
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: jyoti06

Yess the whole date thing was Shivani's fantasy ... Raghu might hv planned a dinner for Karan and Shivani so that both can meet and come close ... but Shivani immediately fantacised it as date between GF and BF which further gave the idea to Raghu to make it more grand in Shivani's style ...

Somewhere I want to see things from Raghu's POV too just how we often see things from Shivani's POV .. and if I see it from Raghu's POV , then I feel this is where he wants to push Shivani away because her world is indeed different from Raghu's world ... in Raghu's world it would hv been a simple dinner between two but in Shivani's world its a dinner date between two lovers ... there is a world of difference between hving a simple dinner and hving a romantic dinner date ... reality vs fairytale .. no wonder Raghu says our worlds r different .. and I m saying this strictly from his POV .. we need to understand him too .. he too is a human after all ...


Coming to Shivani's POV , yes she is in love and she is not calculating the whole reality vs fairytale world like Raghu does ... so she was naive to tell him about date without realising what Raghu will assume from it

I dont want to take any sides this time because from where I see ..its two individuals who r hving different POV when it comes to love and relationships ...



agree jyothi...me neither taking sides...and realize the fact that Raghu is human... this incident the ph convo between Raghu and shivani...only shows how their worlds are different from each other...and this what Raghu saying at top of his voice to everyone... even with karan he said he cannot provide the life what she deserves... he has not reached the point to understand that her happiness lies with him...before he getting such a chance...shivani was ending up doing something or other which is scaring him all the more...

my only point here is when Raghu called shivani he might not have the intention of arranging a date with karan...but shivani's version of simple dinner might made him to think...that it would be ri8 way to make karan and shivani meet and talk... even then obviously it's his fault...calling her for a dinner with him and presenting karan there... I'm sure both the men are due for a blastingšŸ˜† slap...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Yes I guess when Raghu called up Shivani , he just invited her for a simple dinner but the moment Shivani told him about date and how its done between two lovers , he instantly realised her idea of a romantic dinner and accordingly started arranging which was shown later when that Sumi called him up ... so again like I said its proved that their worlds r indeed different ...

I dunno how Karan gonna fit in the whole scheme of things but I believe it takes two hands to clap ... if we expect Raghu to come out of his prejudiced world and accept Shivani's love then Shivani too need to come out of her fairytale world and accept Raghu's world of simplicity ..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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When raghu called shivani , he might have plaanned for a simple dinner between her and karan. Thats because he suggested an expensive restaurant which would be more shivani -karan style rather than his own. I dont think he feels at home at expensive restaurants. Shivani's quick assumption that its a date , probably made him realise that wat was her idea of going out. So he made it moregrander and fairy tale like. Its because he knows she likes all these things and that reinforces that she cannot be happy with him. A lower middle class man whose world is a struggle to earn and provide for his family cannot afford to take his wife on a fairy tale date. Having pani puris at a road side stall would probably be his idea of enjoying with his partner.

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