Viraj janvi raghav love triangle ? Note on page 17 - Page 10

Originally posted by: mysticgoryfilms

Just went through this entire topic. Wow! Great discussion guys. I didn't know we had such brilliant posters on this forum.

It's no secret I enjoy Viraj as a character. I watch the show only for him and he always brings the entertainment to the show. However, that does not mean I would want any woman to be with a man like him. Look at poor Priya, getting trapped by Viraj through his charming persona - would I ever want her to be with him? Jhanvi deserves happiness and she won't get that in the form of Viraj. Viraj has problems. But it is quite possible he will never fully be able to recover from them. And it is even more difficult for Jhanvi to recover from them as she's been the victim of his abuses and other harmful deeds. Now that the creatives have introduced the OCPD track, I expect them to carry out this track as well and actually show Viraj getting treated. So there will be some relief for him as well.

In reality, many women do not have the courage to break free of a relationship like this. Now that there is a show voicing out to viewers saying "Look! This is how you do it," Jhanvi returning back will be terribly wrong.

As for Raghav and Sia, I am one of those who does not believe in this "Ram-Sita-Raavan" hogwash. Like many members have mentioned earlier, in many places Raavan is not shown as the total and ultimate villain and Ram-Sita as so divine and pure. BS. It sounds so fairy-tale and Bollywoodesque which makes me want to roll my eyes constantly.

Just like in reality there are many women who find it difficult to break free from abusive relationships, there are as many women out there who do not immediately find a lover that can relief them of all their pain and crisis. If Raghav helps her as a friend and someone who wants to see her stand on her own two feet - that's fine. If there happens to be love developing between them, that is also not depicting reality. Furthermore, it does not relate to the show at all. I expect the show has a set storyline where once that ends, the show will end as well. The makers are not here to show another love story between a man and woman, but the trials and tribulations of a woman who goes through domestic violence.

Seriously, what will they show after the original concept gets done with? The audience, except for some, doesn't watch the show for Raghav and Sia but for Viraj and Jhanvi. They watch a show that depicts domestic violence and how a woman like Jhanvi will come through it. It will be so epic-ally cliched if Raghav and Sia do happen to fall in love in the end. 🥱

I too follow the forum with great interest and especially for posts such as yours. I can't relate to the obsession that some members have for a Raghav-Sia love story. Viraj is the main character. Karanvir portrays the character such that you love Viraj but detest his actions. I wonder if it intentional to create a character that you are drawn to but at the same time impossible to accept. I think this might be the plight of many women in abusive relationships, where the man is alternatively charming and horrific.

Originally posted by: -Nakshatra-

^^Don't send a wrong message. I talk for Genuine cases treat them first then proceed with the trial. My reservations about involving mental illness with domestic violence is proved right. So in the process of doing justice to one you fail in the other.

ur right.. he should be treated first.

After all the torture jaanvi went through in her life and IF she see hope in R then its fine as every woman dreams a family of her own BUT want her to gain her self confidence first and start taking her own decisions.

Originally posted by: -Nakshatra-

^^Don't send a wrong message. I talk for Genuine cases treat them first then proceed with the trial. My reservations about involving mental illness with domestic violence is proved right. So in the process of doing justice to one you fail in the other.

Originally posted by: Elysia

Viraj commits every deed by choice. He's not a victim. He manipulates -- and I've got to concede that only really sharp people know how to manipulate others in order to gain something for themselves. Add physical violence to his anger and jealousy, and you have a full-package abuser.

I fail to comprehend how a society can accept that a rapist/killer should be treated simply because his psychiatrist or lawyer pleads insanity. That's what the lawyers usually go for in a case because they want to help their client escape any long-term punishments. Even so, if the person has some disorder which makes him enjoy hurting others -- then why should we show mercy on him? Did he show his victim mercy? Did he spare his victim horror and suffering that scarred her for life? While he gets hooked up in some fancy center, gets treatment, gets better -- the victim relives the horror night after night, lives in fear, cannot function on a daily basis, etc. How is THAT justice?

So another human being can be pardoned for treatment for hurting someone simply because he's deemed ill. Kind of like "oh, he's mentally imbalanced, that's why he slaughtered an entire family, raped, mutilated, abused, whatever. Let's give him treatment, poor thing. Make him better." That's what it sounds like to me.

That's not justice but some twisted version of human rights. I don't believe that people who purposely destroy other people deserve to be given ANY rights. They didn't ask about their victim's rights before they snatched them from her, controlled her body and soul and tossed her away like some broken toy.

I believe in free will. Every man makes a choice for himself. If you allow your sexual drive to overpower you and rape some innocent girl, then you can't blame it on some psychotic ju-ju inside your head. Punishment is in order. I don't care if some shrink comes in to see you and feeds you meds while you're being punished. I don't much care if you get well as long as you get punished for what you've done. It's not about getting even. It's about what's right, in my opinion.

But anyway. Let's agree to disagree on this. I can see that some people interpret Viraj as extremely ill and in need of treatment while others see him as simply cruel. I suppose the end of the show will tell us where he really stands and I do hope that, at some point, he'll feel remorse for what he's done and make amends.

There is no place for subjectivity when it comes to Viraj's mental disorders. The fact that he is unstable was made amply clear by the writers in the first episode itself and they have been harping on it ever since. The depiction of his insanity is perhaps not too realistic as the focus was on making him larger-than-life. But still, there should not be any doubt regarding his mental state. I am really very shocked to see the reluctance to accept this simple fact. A person suffering from any mental disorder (not mental retardation, that's a different thing altogether) has his own reasons for acting the way he does...in his own mind he is completely logical. But, his reasoning and his thought-patterns are very diffrent from us...the so-called normal people. It's their twisted thought-patterns that make them insane. So, one does not need to froth in the mouth or do absurd things like, to borrow Viraj's words, wearing their wives' lipstick and bangles to qualify as a madman.

I do not really care whether Janhvi goes back to him or not. But, since the writers have chosen to depict a mentally ill person as the evil-doer in this show, I would be waiting to see how they deal with the character and whether they can do justice to him or take the convenient and done-to-death psychopath slasher route!

These days people can claim insanity for almost anything. I'm studying law in the UK, and a woman can claim insanity for say abusing or killing someone simply if she was having menstrual bleeding as this can cause inbalances in her body which make her not think staight. It seems weird right? It's simple people have bad experiences, and some end up having serious psychological problems, but at the end of the day you can't excuse them for hurting others. It's stupid to say, I was hurt, so I'll hurt others.

I have nothing against people who have mental illnesses, and they should get help..
But I don't know why people are differentiating domestic violence from mental illness so much. What's to say a person who inflicts violence on someone isn't suffering from a mental illness? Just because someone has a mental illness doesn't mean their actions can't be termed as domestic violence.
Viraj has a mental illness and this probably makes him commit domestic violence. I mean if you're not going to call it domestic violence, what name would you give it?

Originally posted by: Elysia

I never meant to imply that you support domestic violence. I'm sorry if it came across as if I did. But I am curious about what makes people support Viraj -- not just you, but anyone.

You have clarified your points very well. Thank you 😳

To be honest, I think that - as I've mentioned in another post - it all really comes down to how we interpret Viraj's character. I don't find him redeemable in spite of his illness. He'll have to show some kind of remorse for his past actions and a need to change in order to awaken any kind of sympathy in me. When he raped Jhanvi, he officially crossed the line for me.

Now, I believe in supporting family. I believe in supporting people who have diseases and mental illnesses. I do not, however, believe in supporting rapists and murderers. It doesn't matter to me if they're deemed ill. In the end, they did something horrible and punishment is required because no matter how ill you are, it doesn't give you the right to ruin another human being's life, to control it.

In relation to Jhanvi, I've said it before but I'll say it again: She didn't run away from Viraj. She walked out of his life in order to preserve her own life, in order to preserve her own self-respect, in order to survive and stay whole before what's left of her is destroyed too.

No matter how ill a loved one is, there are some things that are unforgivable until they're paid for, until remorse is had, amends are made, forgiveness is asked. And even then, it is a right that the victim has to never forgive.

What Viraj has done is, in my eyes, unforgivable. And as much as I can understand that he has some deeply rooted issues, I cannot and will not sympathize with a man who has done what Viraj has done -- not until he feels actual remorse for every single act, pleads forgiveness, and makes amends. He should be punished for it, not pampered. Unlike the people who don't know when they're hurting people, Viraj knows it.

It's his choice to hurt others. He's not a victim. This is exactly how rapists and murderers are relieved from any punishment -- the authorities deem them a victim of mental illness, and they get to skip the punishment.

However, as for bold, I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean. Can you elaborate?

Originally posted by: -Nakshatra-

We are educated enough to differentiate but not the over all audience. I am against stamping it as Violence completely. All i ask for is don't glorify and send wrong messages.