Viraj janvi raghav love triangle ? Note on page 17 - Page 11

Originally posted by: Sid4TeamCanada

ur right.. he should be treated first.

this man is in dire need of treatment. this is not just a case of a man wanting to show his power by beating his wife. this character clearly expresses an obsessive kind of psychopathic personality that needs treatment.

and the very fact that he has no remorse over his actions is the biggest proof that he needs to be treated mentally. punishment will do him no good. he will keep thinking that he is being done injustice. he needs treatment.

many times, in our society, a mental illness is masked by the label of "angry" or authorotative... but this is not just a simple case of dictatorian hubby. this is a case of an obsessive person, who does not understand the norm of society, who is always just involved in his own world. he NEEDS treatment.

Originally posted by: sub_rosa

There is no place for subjectivity when it comes to Viraj's mental disorders. The fact that he is unstable was made amply clear by the writers in the first episode itself and they have been harping on it ever since. The depiction of his insanity is perhaps not too realistic as the focus was on making him larger-than-life. But still, there should not be any doubt regarding his mental state. I am really very shocked to see the reluctance to accept this simple fact. A person suffering from any mental disorder (not mental retardation, that's a different thing altogether) has his own reasons for acting the way he does...in his own mind he is completely logical. But, his reasoning and his thought-patterns are very diffrent from us...the so-called normal people. It's their twisted thought-patterns that make them insane. So, one does not need to froth in the mouth or do absurd things like, to borrow Viraj's words, wearing their wives' lipstick and bangles to qualify as a madman.

I do not really care whether Janhvi goes back to him or not. But, since the writers have chosen to depict a mentally ill person as the evil-doer in this show, I would be waiting to see how they deal with the character and whether they can do justice to him or take the convenient and done-to-death psychopath slasher route!

Originally posted by: criticaleyes

I too follow the forum with great interest and especially for posts such as yours. I can't relate to the obsession that some members have for a Raghav-Sia love story. Viraj is the main character. Karanvir portrays the character such that you love Viraj but detest his actions. I wonder if it intentional to create a character that you are drawn to but at the same time impossible to accept. I think this might be the plight of many women in abusive relationships, where the man is alternatively charming and horrific.

I think everyone on here knows Viraj has a mental illness, but what we disagree with is that some are saying that just because he has a mental illness he should be forgiven for his actions and should have another chance with Jhanvi if he changes.

But what they are forgetting is that yes we know people like Viraj have lack of control over their actions, but of course we are still going to hate the actions he takes, we can't excuse it just because he is mentally ill.

Does Viraj have a mental illness? Yes
But does he deserve another chance with Jhanvi? No

It's like saying would you give a man who tries to rape you or kill you time and time again, another chance? I know I wouldn't. Of course if he has a mental illness I would maybe find it in me to forgive him for what he did, but would I want to be intimate with the same man again? Never.

Just because someone has a mental illness doesn't mean people should be expected to give them another chance. We are humans, and we have feelings, we do not forget our memories easily, especially those that are bad.

Originally posted by: Elysia

This could become a very long debate. Taking root in your argument here, I could take it further and claim that since man is flawed and incapable of judging right, bring justice, then perhaps man, itself, isn't made to legislate. Then whose or what rules/laws do we follow?

Because rules/laws are needed. For any human being. If there are no rules and no limits, then man will go to extremes as we've seen sadists do -- and as I believe Viraj has done and continues doing till date.

I stick firmly to my conviction that Viraj cannot be classified as "mentally ill" and thus flee punishment and/or be treated. From what I've seen so far, he's simply cruel. Whatever reasons for it might lie in his childhood or his supposed "illness", but it doesn't - at any point - make him deserving of a better life until he feels actual remorse.

Viraj commits every deed by choice. He's not a victim. He manipulates -- and I've got to concede that only really sharp people know how to manipulate others in order to gain something for themselves. Add physical violence to his anger and jealousy, and you have a full-package abuser.

I fail to comprehend how a society can accept that a rapist/killer should be treated simply because his psychiatrist or lawyer pleads insanity. That's what the lawyers usually go for in a case because they want to help their client escape any long-term punishments. Even so, if the person has some disorder which makes him enjoy hurting others -- then why should we show mercy on him? Did he show his victim mercy? Did he spare his victim horror and suffering that scarred her for life? While he gets hooked up in some fancy center, gets treatment, gets better -- the victim relives the horror night after night, lives in fear, cannot function on a daily basis, etc. How is THAT justice?

So another human being can be pardoned for treatment for hurting someone simply because he's deemed ill. Kind of like "oh, he's mentally imbalanced, that's why he slaughtered an entire family, raped, mutilated, abused, whatever. Let's give him treatment, poor thing. Make him better." That's what it sounds like to me.

That's not justice but some twisted version of human rights. I don't believe that people who purposely destroy other people deserve to be given ANY rights. They didn't ask about their victim's rights before they snatched them from her, controlled her body and soul and tossed her away like some broken toy.

I believe in free will. Every man makes a choice for himself. If you allow your sexual drive to overpower you and rape some innocent girl, then you can't blame it on some psychotic ju-ju inside your head. Punishment is in order. I don't care if some shrink comes in to see you and feeds you meds while you're being punished. I don't much care if you get well as long as you get punished for what you've done. It's not about getting even. It's about what's right, in my opinion.

But anyway. Let's agree to disagree on this. I can see that some people interpret Viraj as extremely ill and in need of treatment while others see him as simply cruel. I suppose the end of the show will tell us where he really stands and I do hope that, at some point, he'll feel remorse for what he's done and make amends.

Originally posted by: shazna123

I think everyone on here knows Viraj has a mental illness, but what we disagree with is that some are saying that just because he has a mental illness he should be forgiven for his actions and should have another chance with Jhanvi if he changes.

But what they are forgetting is that yes we know people like Viraj have lack of control over their actions, but of course we are still going to hate the actions he takes, we can't excuse it just because he is mentally ill.

Does Viraj have a mental illness? Yes
But does he deserve another chance with Jhanvi? No

It's like saying would you give a man who tries to rape you or kill you time and time again, another chance? I know I wouldn't. Of course if he has a mental illness I would maybe find it in me to forgive him for what he did, but would I want to be intimate with the same man again? Never.

Just because someone has a mental illness doesn't mean people should be expected to give them another chance. We are humans, and we have feelings, we do not forget our memories easily, especially those that are bad.

Originally posted by: scent_flower

Oh..sorry for that..😳

I understand your POV,it's not wrong of you to want to punish..you have excellent points.😊

It's just like when we are outrageously angry,we tend to say things we don't really mean..we see a different person talking and we ourselves are sometimes horrified but as normal people we can control our anger and understand that what we did was wrong after we cool off because from the very moment we were born we were fortunate enough to get lots of love and we were taught it's not right to hurt others because if you harm others you will be punished..the human brain starts observing from the moment we are born and we tend to act like people around us..

Now rebellious people aren't rebellious by choice,they are rebellious because from the very moment they were born they didn't get enough love from their parent's,they didn't get the attention they needed..so from a very young age they did things they were told not to because by doing so their parent's gave them attention even if it was scolding so they learn that way..

Psychiatric disorders are deeply rooted in your childhood,the age of innocence where you believe what you are told..

@Blue:Like I said,it's a personal choice..I have seen many cases of psychiatric disorders and it all seems like a sham at first,like people are doing it by choice but they are not doing it by choice..Viraaj will feel remorse when he realises what he has done was wrong but he has a shrewd definition of right and wrong,once he is treated he will be horrified at what he did,but to reach that stage he needs treatment..he needs medication.There are some chemicals in our brain..which influence our moods and anxiety and the level of such chemicals and hormones differ in each and every person..for people with psychiatric disorders one or more chemicals are formed in excess and some aren't formed at all..modern psychiatrists order shockingly true explainations for such things...these things don't happen by choice however real they may seem. Yes,he needs to punished but once he realises what he did was wrong,he will himself want redemption..I have never justified his acts,don't get me wrong.I 'feel for such people because'everybody deserves a happy life.Actually,murderers and rapists are not mentally ill people..please don't compare them with such people. Who is pampering him? Do you punish someone who suffers from an illness or treat him before punishing him? I feel for such people because somethings aren't in our control and they deserve a chance in life,everybody does.

@bold: Murderers and rapists are NOT mentally ill people,they are fully aware of their acts and what they do is by choice fully aware of the consequences.Please do NOT compare such crimes with all mentally unstable people. I won't explain the plight of mentally ill people but they have through bad things themselves and are not to be judged by normal rules,it's not an excuse it's real. However,it's a personal choice to forgive and forget. I feel that family members should support such people with all the love and care,yes it's not easy but since they are put in such circumstances I feel it's what should be done..life isn't easy for everyone..Viraaj's acts are NOT normal,he beats himself,he emotionally blackmails people,he tortures them and thinks he is doing the right thing..he talks to Jhanvi's ashes,he is excessively possessive..he needs perfection in everything..I feel he deserves treatment so that he can get a chance for a happy life.

As for Jhanvi I still think,she ran away from the circumstances instead of facing them..but she isn't wrong either..Viraaj also deserves someone who will support him through rough times even if it's not Jhanvi,he needs someone who has enough strength to support him..it's not easy,yes and it's not right to expect that but there's always hope for everyone😊 I guess,having seen such cases makes it possible for me to sympathize with such people rather than judge them and call them cruel.Viraaj is not cruel,cruel people are very different. On the contrary I find,Raghav/Sia totally unrealistic somehow..people like Viraaj actually exist.But then this is a Television soap so i guess I expected reality since they portrayed reality in the beginning but now i don't know what they are doing..

P.S Read Sidney Sheldon's tell me your dreams,it's an eye opener😊😊 and type sybil on ,I was shocked to read that such things can actually happen! Even on I searched for MPD and found some really nice and shocking and heart tearing stories.😭😭

I just want to clear this up (emphasis is mine). What you state is actually blatantly false. The rate of mental illness is much higher in murderers and rapists and other assorted criminals than in the civilian population. Here is a study that highlights this:

Fazel, Seena; Danesh, John (2002). "Serious mental disorder in 23 000 prisoners: A systematic review of 62 surveys". The Lancet 359 (9306): 545.

I, unfortunately, don't have the privilege to link so I'll just quote their findings:

Originally posted by: The Lancet

Findings

62 surveys from 12 countries included 22 790 prisoners (mean age 29 years, 18 530 [81%] men, 2568 [26%] of 9776 were violent offenders). 37% of men (95% CI 33-41) had psychotic illnesses, 10% (9-11) major depression, and 65% (61-68) a personality disorder, including 47% (46-48) with antisocial personality disorder. 40% of women (32-51) had psychotic illnesses, 12% (11-14) major depression, and 42% (38-45) a personality disorder, including 21% (19-23) with antisocial personality disorder. Although there was substantial heterogeneity among studies (especially for antisocial personality disorder), only a small proportion was explained by differences in prevalence rates between detainees and sentenced inmates. Prisoners were several times more likely to have psychosis and major depression, and about ten times more likely to have antisocial personality disorder, than the general population.

This is just the first study I was immediately directed to, I can post others if you wish; and you are free to search in Scirus and Scholar for other studies.

Viraj is a murderer and a rapist and fully aware of his actions, so are many murderers and rapists; mental and personality disorders notwithstanding. It is perfectly plausible (and common) to murder and rape and be fully aware of one's actions and have a mental illness; it is not as exclusive as you imply. Especially when you take into light psychiatric classifications such as Anti-social personality disorder and the aforementioned Sadistic personality disorder.

P.S. I regret if I come across as hostile, for I am now steadily having a harder time keeping my temper. I just have an issue with the misrepresentation and misinformation of and about mental illnesses which this show and topic exemplifies.

Originally posted by: Araniya

I just want to clear this up (emphasis is mine). What you state is actually blatantly false. The rate of mental illness is much higher in murderers and rapists and other assorted criminals than in the civilian population. Here is a study that highlights this:

Fazel, Seena; Danesh, John (2002). "Serious mental disorder in 23?000 prisoners: A systematic review of 62 surveys". The Lancet 359 (9306): 545.

I, unfortunately, don't have the privilege to link so I'll just quote their findings:


This is just the first study I was immediately directed to, I can post others if you wish; and you are free to search in Scirus and Scholar for other studies.

Viraj is a murderer and a rapist and fully aware of his actions, so are many murderers and rapists; mental and personality disorders notwithstanding. It is perfectly plausible (and common) to murder and rape and be fully aware of one's actions and have a mental illness; it is not as exclusive as you imply. Especially when you take into light psychiatric classifications such as Anti-social personality disorder and the aforementioned Sadistic personality disorder.

P.S. I regret if I come across as hostile, for I am now steadily having a harder time keeping my temper. I just have an issue with the misrepresentation and misinformation of and about mental illnesses which this show and topic exemplifies.

Araniya it can have a lot to do with misinformation in society ... what you are posting could be what CVs wanted to show but due to perception in society or some people not wanting to see facts, it now appears they are spreading mis-information. I had raised this question long back that serial killers are said to be mentally sick too but do we sympathize with them or ever say they should be treated and not punished ... but then i realized its useless to debate as those that did not want to will not understand, so i gave up

Elysia i totally agree with the hope part of your post, also i don't understand what problem some people have if they fall in love, I agree not every woman will find a savior but its also a reality that there are those who do and if jhanvi happens to be one of those whats the big deal? Also what some people ignore is the way jhanvi's character is etched, she needs a support system to realize her own potential, to realize what she is capable of, she has grown up in too sheltered an environment and has seen so much that fear has become a part of her and it won't be possible for her to do it on her own. So Raghav is there as hope for her! I totally agree not every woman will find a savior but like i said some will and if she is one of them what's the big deal! In the end it is a show and need its own elements of attraction to run! A blank or empty show just won't sell ... yes giving a social message is important but you can't do that if no one watches it!!!

I too have many referencesfrom which I have read about OCPD..some of them I have posted from time to time..some untreated OCPD patients are violent and they need treatment.I too am having a hard time reading what I'm reading and how such people are treated. It's not neccessary that a rapist or murderer is suffering from OCPD,please do NOT characterize them in such a way..There are many books online,one of which is 'tightrope walker'.