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Posted: 12 years ago
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Shruti

I couldn't agree w/ you more - you summed up pretty much everything I wanted to say.

For something like the Puranas, which are a variety of works - not just Shiva Purana but also things like the Skanda Purana, the Kanda Purana and so on, I'm happy that they're using a collection of stories. I'm slightly less thrilled with them taking fringe stories like Asoka Sundari and running them like they are major - and the thing I wonder there is, if AsokaSundari, why not Manasa Devi? Similarly, I'm also less than thrilled about Andhak being left out so far - his was a pretty good story as well.

The fisherman story was actually in the ACK - Tales of Shiva - I recalled that when I read it recently, and remembered them showing it in DkDM. The Tales of Shiva had 3 stories - Markandeya, the fisherman story and then Kirat vs Arjun. Of these, they showed Markandeya in flashback, and the fisherman story; what's left is the Kirat story, which should happen in the Mahabharat track.

But you're totally right about Parvati & Kartikeya - if the CVs can show Ganesh properly, why not Parvati & Kartikeya? In fact, instead of Ramayan, had they shown the JJMD stories, in their entirety - of Ma Durga's wars w/ Durgam and Mahishashur, as well as the killing of not just Dhoomralochan & Raktabheej but also Chanda, Munda, Nishumbha & Shumbha, they'd have done fine: Ma Durga/Mahakali, as Mahadev's wife, would have achieved all that, thereby making him look good as well, and those stories, unlike the Ramayan, wouldn't have looked out of place in this serial.

Similarly, Kartikeya's single greatest achievement was the killing of Tarakasura. Had they planned it right from the beginning, they could have instead used the South Indian version and made Surapadman the leader, and shown the story of how Kartikeya got his peacock. There was no need to show Mahadev helping him, and then, as if to compensate, show him fighting fictional battles w/ Taare & Vritra. I also hated how they showed him as petulant - something that I haven't read about anywhere at all. They could have used a lot of the stories from the South about Kartikeya too.

In fact, that is my sore point of this serial: the thing that bothers me most about it is that to show the greatness of Mahadev, they have to overshadow the greatness of Parvati, Kartikeya and others around Mahadev. 😡 But if Mahadev needs everyone else to be belittled in order to look great, why show Ganesh properly either? Or are the CVs just catering to the Mumbai crowd, and pretending that the rest of the country is like them? My theory is that Mahadev's greatness is enhanced when all the people around him - Parvati, Kartikeya, Ganesh, Nandi, the ganas & prets - are all shown properly.

After so many serials on Ramayan & Krishna, I was longing for one that celebrated Mahadev, Ma Durga, Kartikeya & Ganesh, and those in Kailash. DkDM fulfilled that some when it came to Mahadev, but disappointed badly w/ the others. It's upsetting to watch, especially given the great job they had done casting.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#22
@Suchi

I see your POV and probably partly agree with it. But this is not the first time that Mahadev is doing overwork in this show. He does overwork even when Narayan in around!

I know when a show is made on a particular deity it is all about him/her and others are sidelined. But at least shows like Vishnu Puran didn't show Lord Vishnu taking various "unheard of" avatars and playing parts in stories that were clearly about Lord Shiva the way DKDM has been putting Mahadev in every frame no matter what! They've invented even those avatars which no one has ever heard about.

DKDM has a mythology of its own.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#23
just putting a crazy plausible explanation as to Why Mahadev is being shown more than often in Ramayan Track...

feel free to kill me...😕

Mahadev is basically in the position of an Ishtha or Aaradhya.. Ram and Raavan are the devotees..

i think that between an Aaradhaya and a devotee, there exists a divine contract.. which is voidable at the option of the devotee only and not God (as he never abandons His devotees evn though they do so and also a devotee can't forget his aaradyha ever)

being an Aaradhya, hence it becomes His responsibility to guide His devotees in watever manner possible...

Mahadev chided and guided Raavan more than often... thus performing His duties of being Ravan's aaradhya..

Same goes with Ram as well, as Mahadev was even Ram's aaradhya... As Ram's Aaradhya Mahadev is duty bound to guide him...!!

similarly we have references like Bhakta Prahlad and Lord Vishnu, Krishna and Arjun... Raam and Hanuman...!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Shruti


I couldn't agree w/ you more - you summed up pretty much everything I wanted to say.

For something like the Puranas, which are a variety of works - not just Shiva Purana but also things like the Skanda Purana, the Kanda Purana and so on, I'm happy that they're using a collection of stories. I'm slightly less thrilled with them taking fringe stories like Asoka Sundari and running them like they are major - and the thing I wonder there is, if AsokaSundari, why not Manasa Devi? Similarly, I'm also less than thrilled about Andhak being left out so far - his was a pretty good story as well.

The fisherman story was actually in the ACK - Tales of Shiva - I recalled that when I read it recently, and remembered them showing it in DkDM. The Tales of Shiva had 3 stories - Markandeya, the fisherman story and then Kirat vs Arjun. Of these, they showed Markandeya in flashback, and the fisherman story; what's left is the Kirat story, which should happen in the Mahabharat track.

But you're totally right about Parvati & Kartikeya - if the CVs can show Ganesh properly, why not Parvati & Kartikeya? In fact, instead of Ramayan, had they shown the JJMD stories, in their entirety - of Ma Durga's wars w/ Durgam and Mahishashur, as well as the killing of not just Dhoomralochan & Raktabheej but also Chanda, Munda, Nishumbha & Shumbha, they'd have done fine: Ma Durga/Mahakali, as Mahadev's wife, would have achieved all that, thereby making him look good as well, and those stories, unlike the Ramayan, wouldn't have looked out of place in this serial.

Similarly, Kartikeya's single greatest achievement was the killing of Tarakasura. Had they planned it right from the beginning, they could have instead used the South Indian version and made Surapadman the leader, and shown the story of how Kartikeya got his peacock. There was no need to show Mahadev helping him, and then, as if to compensate, show him fighting fictional battles w/ Taare & Vritra. I also hated how they showed him as petulant - something that I haven't read about anywhere at all. They could have used a lot of the stories from the South about Kartikeya too.

In fact, that is my sore point of this serial: the thing that bothers me most about it is that to show the greatness of Mahadev, they have to overshadow the greatness of Parvati, Kartikeya and others around Mahadev. 😡 But if Mahadev needs everyone else to be belittled in order to look great, why show Ganesh properly either? Or are the CVs just catering to the Mumbai crowd, and pretending that the rest of the country is like them? My theory is that Mahadev's greatness is enhanced when all the people around him - Parvati, Kartikeya, Ganesh, Nandi, the ganas & prets - are all shown properly.

After so many serials on Ramayan & Krishna, I was longing for one that celebrated Mahadev, Ma Durga, Kartikeya & Ganesh, and those in Kailash. DkDM fulfilled that some when it came to Mahadev, but disappointed badly w/ the others. It's upsetting to watch, especially given the great job they had done casting.


how to thank you vrish i have this(marked in blue)thought whenever Ganesh got to do all n Kartikeya most of the time stand like anyother third person in crowd.as it is DKDM its strictly about Shiv even others duty will be carried forward to him in all possible n impossible ways.about showing South tales its a Hindi daily so expectation from the people who dont even want to consider them is like banging my head even after knowing it wil hurt me😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Suchi-you are the unofficial advocate for team dkdm😆

but i dont think that argument is valid

Raavan gets a boon that he will be killed by a human being-Hence Narayan is supposed to take birth as a human and go through all the Human emotions and experiences like a normal human will do

Ram leela is called Ram Leela cos Narayan as Ram did this leela on his own in a Human avatar

He didnt get help from anyone😆-he got training and upbringing like any normal boy
as per DKDM Ram is trained by Mahadev...when Ram learns the art from Vishwamitra at a Gurukul(i got the name correct no?)
so are they trying to credit Rams Archery skills to Mahadev??

Ram was a Shiva Bhakt yes no denying that,but Mahadev didnt ever interfere,beacause there was a reason the Leela happened and happened the way it did-but whatever he did was his own Leela,Mahadev honestly himself was just a member of the audience

If Mahadev was so involved-why didnt he just kill Raavan?

Ram does get assistance from Mahadev-indirectly in the form of Hanuman who helps him reach Sita-but no help from Mahadev himself...
Thats the only indirect way in which Mahadev is involved!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#26

According to me DKDM has most of the ingredients to appeal various mindsets & those watching it without any preset mind too. Those who watch without any expexctations will find it quite appealing & the other category will try to look for what they know in it, may be left disappointed at times. Everyone watches a Mytho for the lessons, messages they give. But when they are not found in the show, then the comparison between the Purana's story or the known story & this show's story starts. Since it involves characters that represent our faith, our appreciations are in abundance & disappointment is high too.

If found unconvincing there is nothing wrong in expressing why & how it is found wrong. Atleast while doing so we learn other versions of the stories & povs too.
On a lighter note, since the lead is playing Mahadev. Does anyone offer flowers, diya, dhoop in front of his pic? 🤣 No. Because there is a difference between the Real Mahadev & him. Simillarly those who discuss the show's version with the other known source's version too are trying to point out what can be right according to their knowledge.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Firstly since we are highlighting the stories I would like to point out from the audience perspective there are certain things that are good, permissible and totally unacceptable.

Being a fan of the show from day one and having followed it.
The good part though completely fictitious the Sati era the romance shown was good thought it was over dramatic and given that filmi effect it was beautiful and we all loved the falling in love phase of Shiv and Sati.
We even accepted Tarakasur in that era and fictional characters of Madanike and Vijaya because it was not really hampering the story lines and the added drama kept the whole thing engaging.

Totally unacceptable was the humanized version of Sati, she crying all the time and though she was not a reformed version like Parvati but she was Adishakti and the Das Mahavidyas was supposed to have happened during the time of Sati which was completely ignored in DKDM.

Now coming to the later part when Mahadev becomes the householder, him engaging in family activities, being the loving husband and caring father was what made me love Mahadev and which I felt was explored nicely in Mahadev.

Ganesh and Karthikeya calling Vishnu mammaji though one would say is more humanized is permissible because it connects you to the characters more.

But distorting story lines, making everything Mahadev centric, butchering characters mainly that of Adishakti reducing her to being just a housewife, no clue of surrounding around her, falling on the feet of Mahadev, even her various avatars shown in DKDM was very bad glorifying Mahadev at every stage at the rate of even bringing down Ma Shakti which was deplorable, Karthikeya, Vishnu, Lakshmi all these characters are shown in poor light, Nandi reduced to a cry baby though Kumar has given a fab performance but Nandi had varied roles to play and not just cry at the drop of a hat.

Now Ramayan you see Mahadev interfering in everything related to Ram it is deplorable.
I am not a Vaishnavite neither a Shivaite but it hurts when stories are distorted so baldy for the sake of showing Mahadev in full glory.

The only good thing is Mohit gets to explore his acting to the fullest but ultimately as viewer it gives me a bad feeling when I see the Gods I revere reduced to sham on screen.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: mnx12

On a lighter note, since the lead is playing Mahadev. Does anyone offer flowers, diya, dhoop in front of his pic? 🤣


I thought that the answer to this question is yes. As far as a year back, when there was an article about a Mohit interview, where he mentioned how all his wedding proposals from fans had dried up since noone wants to marry a God 😆, Mohit also mentioned how some fans - particularly elderly fans - wanted him to visit their homes in his Mahadev garb so that they could worship him. Also, a temple in Varanasi had his picture as its representation of Shiva. Mohit has also complained about how embarrassed he feels when elderly people want to do his charan-sparsh

So Mohit may not be Mahadev, but there are enough people who think that he is 😆
Edited by .Vrish. - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Mohit does look the closest to what we imagine Lord Shiva to be
there is no denying that!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@ shruti... strange that u must say tht I am DKDM's unofficial advocate...!!😲

cause my arguments are based on my own rationality... for me sum of the Puranic stories defy logic.. so I can't relate with them

similarly wen DKDM defies logic then too I am equally perplexed... like Differential treatment of Kartik and Ganesh...

I believe in Logic... and I am more liberal wen it cums to a mytho..

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