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Posted: 12 years ago
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My dear,

You are always so good for my morale!😉

Your response is excellent , but I have my reservations about Shukracharya. The most significant part is in the last para of my opening post, but I also feel very strongly that being in the position of a father to Jalandhar, nothing can justify his abandoning his shishya when he needs him the most and has been emotionally bludgeoned by the very prospect of losing his guru.

Look at Brihaspati, how he fights for his utterly naaalayak shishya, Indra, who never accords him the slightest respect, and of whom he knows that after the sold blooded murder of Trishira, he has no repentance at all,and will repeat the offence the first chance he gets. Still he pleads with Mahadev and gets him off.

Shukracharya should have taken advantage of what you have described so well as Jalandhar's meltdown, and got him to return Parvati, and should have secured Mahadev's forgiveness for Jalandhar. As for the rest, I am not at all sure he ever had any vatsalya for him, seeing him always as an instrument for the utthan fo the asuras. Poor Jalandhar, he needed a guru who will make him fall in line when necessary - and it was clear yesterday that this could be done - and also care for him for himself. Shukracharya does neither.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: Skepblun

WOW! B-R-I-L-L-I-A-N-T expression and analysis of Jalandhar's state today! 👏

I agree Jalandhar-Shukracharya scenes were highlight of the day for me too.

Classic guru-shishya conflict. Both are in some way, right on their individual part. Shukracharya's sense of failure to prevent the transformation of Jalandhar and avert the sense of impending doom for his shishya...his guilt over his shishya going after his own object of devotion...his leaving his best student out of helplessness...
As a guide and teacher, he could not always guide him towards right path...or perhaps the disciple himself became too over confident to accept anyone's guidance and decided to chart his own path.

Jalandhar's gradual meltdown, transition of expressions and change in body language as his guru expressed his disappointment at him and decided to leave him was a brilliant and emphatic watch.

In a way, at least within himself he is already defeated. He has lost sense of security. He's forever being reminded of the doom that awaits him. His closest allies left him.
He not only has to fight Mahadev in the battle, he also has to fight with his inner demons now.

He only imagines his mother like a child desperately seeking sense of security and support.

He grew branches but his roots have been thoroughly shaken.

It was a heart wrenching sequence. Performed superbly by actors and executed very well by the rest of the team.

Plethora of raging emotions on display here.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dear Hema,

I agree with you completely. When Vrinda dies, that scene is going to be much worse for empathetic viewers like us even than yesterday's. After that, Jalandhar will be half dead inside, and so his final destruction will come as a welcome relief from his misery. For him. and for us as well.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: hemaDaganKhian

only a good writing n good acting can bring tears in some people it happend in yesterday's epi it really able to make me sad for J not only sad i felt very much for him that its nt fair to abandon him when he need is guru more than anyother day of his life excellent script,dialog n acting really made everyone gloomy dono what'll happen when Vrinda dies im sure it'll be more than yesterday's epi😭

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Posted: 12 years ago
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My dear,

What a lovely, perceptive and heartwarming response! Thank you so very much for it. I am flattered and delighted that we both felt exactly the same about the intensely sad segment with Jalandhar yesterday.

'Existential grief' is indeed the perfect phrase. He must, after listening to Parasurama, Markandeya, and now Shukracharya, feel as is he is a Nowhere Man, a kind of hollow receptacle for the shivansh, something that he never asked to be.

But Jalandhar does have two persons who have loved/love him for himself alone: his mother, and Vrinda. Neither is judgemental, and both only want to protect him and spare him suffering. Which is why he hastens back to Vrinda as soon as Shukracharya abandons him; they showed that in the precap and it will probably come up today.

Well, if Jalandhar is adharmic, what would you say of Indra? At least Jalandhar has not killed anyone in cold blood, or stabbed them in the back, He stops in mid-attack as soon as he sees that Kartikeya is unarmed. Does anyone of the Tridev say that Indra should be got rid of? No, even Mahadev spares him when Brahaspati trots out entirely specious arguments, and so Indra gets off scot free after murdering Trishira. Why does Brahma, to whom Trishira was praying when he was decapitated by Indra, not do something to punish Indra? So, there is no scarcity of adharma among the devas, or of injustice among the Tridev either. As for what is going to be done to Vrinda, the less said the better!

As I have written earlier, I see Jalandhar as a lost and tormented soul, who could have been helped in time by many, in the first place by his guru. But he was left to slip deeper and deeper into darkness, with an occasional push to help him along the way. It is unbelievably sad.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: bhakti2

I came specially to see your post today after so much enjoying the one of yesterday - it seems you have the most wonderful gift for analysis and description! Again such a beautiful overview of the epi., I just loved to read it.


I too found this to be the saddest epi of DKDM to date - even counting the loss of Sati. There is something almost existential in Jalandhar's realised grief hai na? I was thinking what you have perfectly written, just I could not verbalise it: Jalandhar has the weight of never knowing if he is loved for being himself alone. Even his guruji admits to coming near to J in the night hoping for a glimpse of the great one whose ansh he is. Everyone who follows dharm had respected him not for his own merits but for the divine seed within him. It must give him the strangest feeling of never being really seen for what he feels himself to be. It seems so sad.

Even he has done much wrong, how can one not grieve for someone who has suffered such abandonments in his life? It is as if he was created to prove a point and not to have a full existence of his own.

Mohit has done a fantastic job of making us pity a character who is adharmic - we almost wish we could reach in and save him. I like that they did not make these characters black and white, but almost human and relatable in their contradictions.

I will really be sorry to see his end.

Thank you so much for the pleasure of reading your post!

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Posted: 12 years ago
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If it was not Mohit doing the role of Jalandhar it would not have been this powerful or appreciated. The adulation this role is getting is amazing. Mohit has given a powerful performance.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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One Jalandhar has made so much impact. Loved your post and thoughts about him. 👏
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Fatastic post as usual.👍🏼...
I too feel sad for both Jallu and Suku...Compared to Indra Jallu's crimes are much less( if they can be regarded as crimes)...Yet Indra's guru always supported him...
But Suku ( though loved him deeply ) didnt forgive him...I hope against hope that Jallu realises his mistake and Mahadev spare him...
I feel sorry for Jallu and Sati as I feel life treated both of them unfairly.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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You are absolutely correct. But for him, this track would have got nowhere near as much oraise and appreciation as it has done. Jalandhar is a fascinating and very complex character, but for that very reason, bringing him alive on the screen needed a performer of Mohit's exceptional calibre.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: Oonagh

If it was not Mohit doing the role of Jalandhar it would not have been this powerful or appreciated. The adulation this role is getting is amazing. Mohit has given a powerful performance.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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great post. yesterday was painful to see jalandar cry for his guru. Shukracharya was a father figure in jalandars' life. He feels all alone and that everyone has left him.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thank you so much, my dear Ela. I agree completely with you as regards both Sati and Jalandhar, but as JFK once said, Who told you that life is fair?

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: elasingh

Fatastic post as usual.👍🏼...

I too feel sad for both Jallu and Suku...Compared to Indra Jallu's crimes are much less( if they can be regarded as crimes)...Yet Indra's guru always supported him...
But Suku ( though loved him deeply ) didnt forgive him...I hope against hope that Jallu realises his mistake and Mahadev spare him...
I feel sorry for Jallu and Sati as I feel life treated both of them unfairly.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thank you so much, Rajshri, I am very glad you liked it.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: rajshrip

great post. yesterday was painful to see jalandar cry for his guru. Shukracharya was a father figure in jalandars' life. He feels all alone and that everyone has left him.

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