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shadow.daemon

@shadow.daemon

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Posted: 12 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: princessofkesar
Yes i m sure zeus n indra r same.
Infact there is story of zeus where he falls in love wid kings wife and cheats her by taking her husband form just to fullfill lust.
And later on when that kings comes to know he throws his wife n that child in water.
Declares war wid zeus.in which zeus win
That child survives and becomes great warrior who refuses to be immortal.
Reminded me aahilaya story.
Now tell god wid such ckt who is always affected by maya of apsara n swarg can't be above tridev!
For tridev are free of maya and wen they made mistakes also it was done for cause to protect us.
Unlike indra , who made mistakes n than ran to tridev to seek help everytym.
Indra are changed in each kalpa.
He can't be above tridev.
How many temples n devotee of indra u know?
I was like y this god never made surya as their king? Why rain department was not given to other?
Why indra should be king always?

The story your talking about is that of Perseus... and the story is originally a bit different... the vesion that you are talking about is another media(film) created fictional story,as shown in the "The Clash of Titans" In the original story Perseus was the son of Zeus and Danae.Danae was the daughter of Acrisius King of Argos. Acrisius consulted the oracle at Delphi, who warned him that he would one day be killed by his daughter's son with Zeus. Danae was childless and to keep her so, he imprisoned her in a bronze chamber open to the sky in the courtyard of his palace.So then zeus came to her in the form of a shower of gold, and impregnated her. Soon after, their child was born; Perseus
Fearful for his future but unwilling to provoke the wrath of the gods by killing Zeus's offspring and his own daughter, Acrisius cast the two into the sea in a wooden chest.

Originally posted by: princessofkesar
No wonder among all greek god only one i admire a lot is hercules.

Hercules(roman name)or Heracles(the greek name) isn't a god, but is a divine hero and a demigod. He rose to Mount Olympus when he died,thus gain the same honour as gods,but does not count as a god...therefore he is known as a divine hero...

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#12

Originally posted by: princessofkesar
Saraswati is wife shakti of brahma.
Vrinda think happened due dear indra only.
To save indra from jal shiv had to fight n vishnu had to break chasity.
But in return he took curse, made her goddess made her wife.
Some version say she is incarnation of laxmi.
And mohin shiv relationship was for birth of aaiyaapa!

What was benefit of world behind indra breaking chasity of aahilaaya for his lust?

sarswati was brahma daughter...ahaliya seduced Indra , notindra seduced her don't go by serials...There is big book name kamasutra also..Nandi and shiva story too..wat bout shiv Lingala...and whole subhadra Krishna story..brahma three faces story..there r thousands thousands of them and almost in every religion they are

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mnx12

@mnx12

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Posted: 12 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: speedi

sarswati was brahma daughter...ahaliya seduced Indra , notindra seduced her don't go by serials...

You have to mention your source while making such statements. Saraswati was Brhmaji's wife, his Shakti, his consort. Not his daughter. Indra had all the reason to violate Ahilya, she was compeltely faithful to her husband.

You are taling about Vedik Indra & Puranik Indra. Vedik Indra was powerful but as time passed he was more concerned about retaining Indrasana. Indra is a post, many Indras have come & gone. There are many stories of Indra feeling threatened by a rishi's penance, he was always insecure, which made him send Apsaras to break their penance. He himself had tryed wrong ways to stop becoming a person powerful, though many were not really interested in Indrasan but he did try to divert them from their path. That's why he was curse, had to be replaced by Nahush. Who inturn changed after being made Indra.

So Indra is a post. Transition of Vedic powerful Indra to a pathetic Indra of Puranas is a good lesson, which shows how power can curupt even Devraj & how he stoop so low at times just to save his Singhasana.

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: mnx12

</div>You have to mention your source while making such statements. Saraswati was Brhmaji's wife, his Shakti, his consort. Not his daughter. Indra had all the reason to violate Ahilya, she was compeltely faithful to her husband.
<div>You are taling about Vedik Indra & Puranik Indra. Vedik Indra was powerful but as time passed he was more concerned about retaining Indrasana. Indra is a post, many Indras have come & gone. There are many stories of Indra feeling threatened by a rishi's penance, he was always insecure, which made him send Apsaras to break their penance. He himself had tryed wrong ways to stop becoming a person powerful, though many were not really interested in Indrasan but he did try to divert them from their path. That's why he was curse, had to be replaced by Nahush. Who inturn changed after being made Indra.

So Indra is a post. Transition of Vedic powerful Indra to a pathetic Indra of Puranas is a good lesson, which shows how power can curupt even Devraj & how he stoop so low at times just to save his Singhasana.

Lol saraswati was hi daughter..there is a reason brahma isn't revered.. Just google it or ..read verses of Vedas which says he married his daughter and censured him..
ahliya cheated her husband.. Ask some gumi pandit or google it too..read full story...

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mnx12

@mnx12

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Posted: 12 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: speedi

Lol saraswati was hi daughter..there is a reason brahma isn't revered.. Just google it or ..read verses of Vedas which says he married his daughter and censured him..
ahliya cheated her husband.. Ask some gumi pandit or google it too..read full story...

The reason Brahmaji is not prayed is very different.

Brhmaji gave boon to Kama, that no one will be spared from effect of his arrows. Kama hit 5 arrows on Brhmaji. He was affected. He saw his mind born daughter Sandhya, fell for her. Shivji saw this, he stopped him. Since then lust between father & daughter is banned. Brhma 's 5th head laughed at Shivji, so it was cut by Kalbhairav. He also lied at the time of Shivji appearing as Pillar of fire, when there was an argument between Brhmaji & Vishnuji about who is the greatest of them. For all these reasons Brhmaji is not worshipped. But it is surprising that Asuras used to do his penance & get boon. This means he is considered important.

Guni Pandit?
Why do one need to ask any Pandit, when all the Puranas & other Scriptures are easily awailable in Market. One just needs to read them.

Google.

A lot of info is awailable on net, different versions of same stories are awailable too. But to know what is correct & what is wrong one needs to actually read the Scriptures to understand & analyse what is right & wrong.

One thing is for sure Vedas are not refered in these stories, so talking about them to create controversy is not going to work.

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 12 years ago

#16

I'm glad this thread came up. Actually, when this serial was somewhat new, I noted once that Indra did have his dark side to him and did several things that were either unethical or downright evil. Ahalya was one. In the Ramayan, it's narrated how he stole the ashwamedha horse of Ayodhya naresh Sagar, and put it in the ashram of Rishi Kapila. The 60,000 sons of Sagar thought that Rishi Kapila was the thief, and tried to attack him, and he reduced them to ashes. Indra was responsible for their deaths, when they were not even bad. In Raghuvansha (granted, this was not a scripture), Indra stole the horse of another ruler Dileepa and was challenged by Raghu, who withstood his assaults, even w/ the vajra.

But my point in raising all these was to show that Indra had a grey, or a checkered side to his character. In this serial, they are showing him all black, and every negative trait is there in his character. He's a murderer, a womanizer, a coward and what have you. And the defamation of him is even happening in places where in the original, he either did nothing wrong or was actually the hero. The story of Vritra is one of his few success stories that did not involve Mahadev or family at all. I've already narrated the 2 versions of Vritra in pg 1 of the new Doubts & Discussions thread. Most importantly, there was no Kartikeya fighting Vritra or anything like it - like I pointed out in the updates thread, Kartikeya wasn't even born, and this chapter may well have happened during the Sati era.

The thing about Indra being a post - I've read this several times, but it is just too confounding. For instance, Indra, as we know it, is the rain god, so would the replacement Indras too be responsible for the rains & thunderstorms & all that? Also, does Sachi's post also revolve around whoever the Indra of the era is then married to? Another thing - Aditi's eldest son was Surya, not Indra, so how did Indra, rather than Surya, become the ruler of the devas? Also, under the rules of succession, any king's eldest legitimate son was the yuvraj to that throne - doesn't that apply to Indra? Wouldn't Indra/Sachi's son Jayanta get to be the ruler of the devas at any time? When Nahusha occupied the throne of Indra, didn't Asokasundari get to sit there alongside him? This whole thing about Indra being a post - I somewhat get it, but it throws up a whole lot of questions.

Anyway, back to the topic - I would like them to show Indra's positives as well, and not pervert his victories into losses. Yeah, Rishi Dadhichi made a great sacrifice which Indra then used to slay Vritra, and sometimes misused in future. But Indra was not a coward. He fought and lost wars against Ravan/Indrajeet, Narakasura, Mahishashur, Durgam and a lot of other demons, but it was only after fighting & losing that he'd flee to the tridevs. Here, they've vilified his character too much in the absence of a permanent villain on the asura side, since everybody - Tarakasura, the Tripurasuras, Ravan, Jalandhar and others are all destined to get killed at some point or the other. I do wish they'd saas-bahufy this serial a bit less, and show some things at least as they really were.

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Posted: 12 years ago

#17

vrish indra has grey shades but he was not coward like life ok indra

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Manan

@Proud-India

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Posted: 12 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: speedi
vrish indra has grey shades but he was not coward like life ok indra

I too wonder because they are always show that Indra is negative personality.

I think CV's are doing injustice with character of Lord Indra...!!!

In every topic of Mahadev, Indra is always problematic...this must not shown.

There are many positive stories related to Indra in many Purana.

But in DKDM.always , Indra is selfish person.Why????😉

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Romi

@romi21

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Posted: 12 years ago

#19

Indira cannot be above Trimurthy , Above Trimurthy there's no one , it is it's only Om. May i know which Puran it has been mentioned in...& y go to Bhakts... The incidents what has been described in DKDMD has been the same in reality Leaving his characterstics...& the thing is We do not know the actual truth,,, if he's above Trimurthy...then he woudn't be So Insecure about his Throne, Having Madira most of the times, disturbing the meditation of Asurs, Spoiling Ahiliya's Dignity, at times disrespecting Guru Brihaspati... Not understanding the Leelas Of Lord Krishna & harrasing Brindavan People by Floods, Try to test Karthikeya's Powers, Pursuing Devtas to take the Urja Of Shiv-shakti ( Baby KArthikeya) Phew there may be or may not be of his Infamous Stories. But..Better close this Topic...