Developing country? - Page 6

Originally posted by: SholaJoBhadkey

Flog kartey kartey thak gaye, ya jawab nahin soojha? 😉😆

what do u think? more than love for flogging, i dread chutkalas. u know, the chutkalas where what's good for the goose aint good for the gander.😉

Originally posted by: SholaJoBhadkey

According to the annual survey by the Berlin-based organization Transparency International, Finland, Denmark, and New Zealand are perceived to be the world's least corrupt countries ( Sweden, Singapore, Iceland, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Canada and Norway completing the top ten), and Somalia and Myanmar are perceived to be the most corrupt. The remaining 8 were Iraq, Haiti, Uzbekistan, Tonga, Sudan, Chad, Afghanistan and Laos, in that order.

I think the list is self explanatory😊 Thanks for sharing.

The debate topic is:

[Quote=Raj5000]
Question comes how does one define a developing nation, is it economic growth? OR per capita income? OR happiness index of citizens? OR increase in education/special skills? or something else?
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All the examples that were provided were of the "indicators" only.....not a chronological order of what needs to be addressed first for those countries to progress forward.

Somehow, the debate derailed to what's more important keeping the scarce resources in mind. While it is a valid thought, it still falls outside this debate's premise. We can have a separate debate on what problems/issues should be addressed first when resources are scarce....and trust me, roti, kapda aur makan do take precendence in that scenario.

Hopefully, it clears any misconceptions regarding the intentions behind the examples of "indicators" given here.

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

The debate topic is:

[Quote=Raj5000]
Question comes how does one define a developing nation, is it economic growth? OR per capita income? OR happiness index of citizens? OR increase in education/special skills? or something else?
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lol. thanks for the reminder. now i suppose for "something else" above, we found public toilets as a serious contender?😛 at the same level of importance as economic growth, per capita income, happiness index of citizens, education/ special skills? 😆hope we can excuse someone for thinking it was half meant as a joke and perhaps off-topic to start with? 😉

but fine if one insist we shld take up the cause of public toilets for serious consideration. will surely recommend it to the next council of economic/ development advisors. 😉hey, some of us do have some pull around there, always happy to help out😆

All the examples that were provided were of the "indicators" only.....not a chronological order of what needs to be addressed first for those countries to progress forward.

Somehow, the debate derailed to what's more important keeping the scarce resources in mind. While it is a valid thought, it still falls outside this debate's premise. We can have a separate debate on what problems/issues should be addressed first when resources are scarce....and trust me, roti, kapda aur makan do take precendence in that scenario.

that's your take on it. they do also take precedence in terms of indicators. trust me too on that. 😛that's how we get CPI/ PPI and various housing indices. yet to see a public-toilet indicator make it to the council's report, but then we might not have seen everything, what say? 😛

now to the extent that indicators are used to indicate/ measure something, i happen to think it's more relevant to be measuring the progress one has made in terms of fulfilling basic needs. needs and indicators aint exactly divorced from each other. pointless measuring something that no one needs. so a good debate can include need identification too. 😉

Hopefully, it clears any misconceptions regarding the intentions behind the examples of "indicators" given here.

ditto.😛

Originally posted by: chatbuster

Is it really so hard to get that the state of public facilities is also an indicator Memory refresher from Page 3😊

Originally posted by: SholaJoBhadkey

My point was that in any country, basic public facilities are a huge indicator of its developmental status, hence the rather crude but basic example 😊

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Okay, lemme rephrase it once again:

Does the state of public facilities in a country indicate it's developmental status?

Sweet and simple yes/no or agree/disagree question here. Let's see how we do on it😊

Edited by Gauri_3 - 17 years ago

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

Is it really so hard to get that the state of public facilities is also an indicator Memory refresher from Page 3😊

lol. dudette, arent u the one who's fixated on somehow getting pubic toilets into the mix of development indicators and then contrarily suggesting that others are stuck on some sui-thing when they respond to that? i mean, can we be consistent? as for the word precedence, u put it out there first. didnt u now? cant have what's good for the goose not being good for the gander kinda speeches now, can we? 😉

as for what else we could have, do we next start enumerating anything and everything that could remotely be indicators? some kitchen sink indicator? or some hem-line indicator? those could also be somehow converted into indicators now, but that wld be a pretty kiddish thing to do, wldnt it? after all, any kid can come up with endless lists, cant they? 😉fwiw, there's always implicit prioritization when we come up with stuff. just comes down to how much value-add one's aiming for in terms of serious analysis. cant be too hard to see that too, is it?😉

Edited by chatbuster - 17 years ago

Originally posted by: chatbuster

Edited by Gauri_3 - 17 years ago

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

It was not implied in the debate topic here....and even if one doesn't consider it a priority, it still does indicate the state of development....doesn't really need too serious an analysis to come to this conclusion...imo.

good. last thing we need is commentary on who's going off-topic and who's not, especially after one's done posting responses of their own, a lot of it off-topic too imo. doesnt sound right to me. i dont also agree with what u have up there but that shldnt bother anyone else.😊

Originally posted by: chatbuster

good. last thing we need is commentary on who's going off-topic and who's not, especially after one's done posting responses of their own, a lot of it off-topic too imo. doesnt sound right to me. i dont also agree with what u have up there but that shldnt bother anyone else.😊

What exactly are you disagreeing with...the part you quoted or the question I asked about the public facilities? Anyways, let's just agree to disagree in this case.

I think you missed this part of my post:

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if you pay attention, the position was clarified on page three itself. We are now on page 7 and this is still not clear!!! At first, I seriously thought that a bit of leg pulling was going on but frankly...mazaak ek baar ka ya doh baar ka hota hai. koi baar baar ek hee cheez boltey jaye tab woh mazak naheen rehta.

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Originally posted by: Gauri_3

I think you missed this part of my post:

[quote=Gauri_3]

if you pay attention, the position was clarified on page three itself. We are now on page 7 and this is still not clear!!! At first, I seriously thought that a bit of leg pulling was going on but frankly...mazaak ek baar ka ya doh baar ka hota hai. koi baar baar ek hee cheez boltey jaye tab woh mazak naheen rehta.

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yes u did say that. dont know why. on one hand u've been maintaining even lately that it's a valid indicator. on the other, u're out proclaiming it's a joke that's carried on too far, just when u decide it has.😊

but if u are serious, consider this. for something to be an indicator, it shld typically be reliable, measurable, reflective etc imo., else we could fill pages with wonderful stories about where the stuff fills up.😆 Dont know how one would propose even measuring/ quantifying the underlying matter here, but then what do i know.😉😆