Employee leaving a job unethical ? - Page 4

Originally posted by: Morning_Dew

ofcourse unethical. But my question is how can one walk out of job , from a key position without proper notice?

If I am not wrong , Two week thing is during probation period, which also vary according to the position in any organization and I think it is fair , cause during this period employer can fire them with two week notice. With a person at key position leave without notice is something strange😕

lol. let me know the firms that require CEOs to hang around for a few months after they've given notice, and we'll have some great stocks to short.😉 😉 😛

btw, it's standard practice in the investment banking and management consulting industries for full-time employees to give just a 2-week notice "thing", not just when they are on probation. the probation employees can be out tomorrow.

it all comes down to which of these three kinds of jobs one has- commodity (macdonalds burger flipper)/ cost-center (the BPO guy cranking out code)/ critical decision-maker (the billion-dollar trader, the CEO). never a sweat to lose the first guy. lots of sweat to lose the third guy but cant have him stay. as for the second guy, can bully him around. he's also the guy who's probably sucked most management time and expense getting trained, so makes sense for the employer to go after his hide if they have to. hope this helps 😊

Originally posted by: raj5000

😆😆 cousins marraige... neighbour preg.. lighting struck house destroyed... going for vacation to himalaya to reinvent oneself... 😆 unfortunately thanks to people in past before one says a reason ...one is given the drop down to select...lolsssssss needs lot of innovation... and sometimes honesty clicks...as upper management understands everyone is here to make it big and if situation explained they might help!! Upper mangement = desi ...sorry..no chance lolssss

i think there's a business idea right here. some enterprising IT types could provide a good user-friendly combo-box screen that someone could click on. choice should include "all of the above"😆

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

No its not unethical.. dont get too emotional about a job... consider it just an employment at will...now go out and have a nice chilled beer and quit your job.. go to hawaii for two months - come back and take up another.... 😆

yeah who cares about refferals and timely oppurtunity that was offered.

Hawaiii all the way... and do the same when the employer kicks you when you are banking on paying the mortagage with next pay (cover😆...ok after planning investments intellegently 😉 ), including other household expenses wihtout notice for you to get another job😉...don't forget to get some goodies for us from there😆

Originally posted by: raj5000

Excellent point!! even tho the employer doesn't care, as an employee one is setting a wrong trend,,,and reason we are facing sane unfairness in today's coorparate world. There can be 1000000 employee's but employers are few whom you would like to work..world is small...don't loose one's referrals they hold great value in next switch one has to make.

i think one can come up with a great excuse for getting a bad referral- i was such a great employee, so productive and all, made so much money for them, that the employer was upset that i left. and now they dont want their competitor to hire me and benefit from my expertise. else they'd be giving me a great referral😛😆

actually these days, employers are forbidden from giving someone a bad referral, at least on wall street. only thing they can report on is whether some SEC charges were filed etc, whether they left voluntarily etc. That they are required to do with no subjectivity. So i think referrals are losing their meaning. It still comes down to personal relnships. if your boss is ok, forget about the HR female who might give u a hard time. she might not even be around a couple of years down the road.😊

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

No its not unethical.. dont get too emotional about a job... consider it just an employment at will...now go out and have a nice chilled beer and quit your job.. go to hawaii for two months - come back and take up another.... 😆

You are not kidding there Qwerty.. There are some people , back office type workers , creatives, managers who take up lot of resources to get trained before producing do just that - job hopping every 3-6 months when they are expected to show all that they said about themselves in the interview.

As for referals , not much other then facts like start-end dates, salary etc can be divulged by ex-employer but there is always that one question that says it all . would you hire them again? 😛 now if more then one ex-employer says that , a pattern is revealed.😉 that said employers never take it personaly or hold a grudge as much as employee can. we have had some employees who never bothered to return laptops when moving on. 😕

Originally posted by: raj5000

yeah who cares about refferals and timely oppurtunity that was offered.

Hawaiii all the way... and do the same when the employer kicks you when you are banking on paying the mortagage with next pay (cover😆...ok after planning investments intellegently 😉 ), including other household expenses wihtout notice for you to get another job😉...don't forget to get some goodies for us from there😆

just make sure to keep collecting the signing bonus each time. in no time, one has all the mortgages paid off😊

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

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firing is always on the spot with immediate effect...no notices what so ever. yes, companies give notice in case of lay-offs though. that's where this leaving "etiquette" stems from. if a company can fire it's employees w/o any notice then employees can leave that company w/o any notice too and there will be no penalties. companies that have a policy on mandatory notice for firing/laying off an employee usually have penalties for employees leaving w/o any notice in certain cases....but this is highly unusual in states. it may still happen in india but not sure about it. similarly, 3 months/6 months notices r also pretty much non-existent in states. may be someone can shed more light on how things work at other places.

I really don't know anything about American laws related to employment . here in ontario , laws are a bit different. they can lay-off a person , without notice and in such situation that person is eligible to get certain benefits from employer and govt. However for terminatin , untill unless the reason of termination is serious one .. employer has to give a notice of certain weeks which again depend upon the duration of employment. If they dont' want that worker in their organization at all they have to pay lum sum amount equal to the salary for that particular notice period , or they can reduce the notice period and pay the rest of the salary.

As for resignation again , employee has to give a notice period. If an employee is not complient than the organization has a right to hold some benifit funds.. This notice period is decided at the begining of job.

I dont know about india , but in Pakistan , yes they ask a notice period which again depend upon the position of employee in any organization. 😊

Originally posted by: Morning_Dew

I really don't know anything about American laws related to employment . here in ontario , laws are a bit different. they can lay-off a person , without notice and in such situation that person is eligible to get certain benefits from employer and govt. However for terminatin , untill unless the reason of termination is serious one .. employer has to give a notice of certain weeks which again depend upon the duration of employment. If they dont' want that worker in their organization at all they have to pay lum sum amount equal to the salary for that particular notice period , or they can reduce the notice period and pay the rest of the salary.

dewey, lay-offs r similar here in the u.s. as well. by "termination" do u mean "fired"? if that is the case, then here in the u.s. and also many parts of the world that i'm aware of, it's with immediate effect due to securities reasons.

if an employee gets laid-off, they can claim unemployment benefits from the govt. this amt is contributed by the employer thru out the duration one is employed here by law. employees get up to 60% of their salary every month for a pd up to 6 months. enuff time to search another job. but, if i am not miataken, u don't get anything if u get fired. companies fire only when it is the last resort due to legalities etc.

As for resignation again , employee has to give a notice period. If an employee is not complient than the organization has a right to hold some benifit funds.. This notice period is decided at the begining of job.

here, in the u.s., it is encouraged but not required in most of the companies as employer can fire u w/o notice so employee can leave w/o notice too. but i do not see a lot of people leaving w/o notice. most give the 2 wk notice.

I dont know about india , but in Pakistan , yes they ask a notice period which again depend upon the position of employee in any organization. 😊

like i said before dewey, 2 wks is usually not a problem and shd be given under normal circumstances but 3 mths or 6 mths as mentioned by abhi and sjb are a bit too much imo. someone said that if u quit w/o notice it affects ur reference in future. i feel CB covered that pretty good in his posts. labor laws in U.S. (and also in canada and most of europe) do not permit ex-employers to give a bad reference to employees. on top of that, one can still quit w/o notice but maintain good relationship if the reasons for quit r strong. sometimes u do have something come ur way which is way too good. u wldn't want to miss that opportunity either. 😊

i feel it all depends on ur relationship with ur employer and the opportunity that is presented to u by ur new employer. 😊

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

dewey, lay-offs r similar here in the u.s. as well. by "termination" do u mean "fired"? if that is the case, then here in the u.s. and also many parts of the world that i'm aware of, it's with immediate effect due to securities reasons.

Termination , Discharged, fired, Perminently lay-off.. these are terms which are used for same action here. and whatever I wrote , they need to follow it by law. Untill unless there is serious misconduct , otherwise if they are unsatisfied with the work , attitude etc .. they have to give notice even for termination /fire etc.

if an employee gets laid-off, they can claim unemployment benefits from the govt. this amt is contributed by the employer thru out the duration one is employed here by law. employees get up to 60% of their salary every month for a pd up to 6 months. enuff time to search another job. but, if i am not miataken, u don't get anything if u get fired. companies fire only when it is the last resort due to legalities etc.

As for resignation again , employee has to give a notice period. If an employee is not complient than the organization has a right to hold some benifit funds.. This notice period is decided at the begining of job.

here, in the u.s., it is encouraged but not required in most of the companies as employer can fire u w/o notice so employee can leave w/o notice too. but i do not see a lot of people leaving w/o notice. most give the 2 wk notice.

I dont know about india , but in Pakistan , yes they ask a notice period which again depend upon the position of employee in any organization. 😊

like i said before dewey, 2 wks is usually not a problem and shd be given under normal circumstances but 3 mths or 6 mths as mentioned by abhi and sjb are a bit too much imo. someone said that if u quit w/o notice it affects ur reference in future. i feel CB covered that pretty good in his posts. labor laws in U.S. (and also in canada and most of europe) do not permit ex-employers to give a bad reference to employees. on top of that, one can still quit w/o notice but maintain good relationship if the reasons for quit r strong. sometimes u do have something come ur way which is way too good. u wldn't want to miss that opportunity either. 😊

i feel it all depends on ur relationship with ur employer and the opportunity that is presented to u by ur new employer. 😊

I really dont' know the detail of this portion of law , will read about it . otherwise I agree on your points about good relationship after quiting ..

but if the reason of quiting is not what previous employer think strong , one definitely burn the bridges .. which is some what not a very desirable situation. Secondly if someone is working on an average level, then previous employer may not give any bad reference , but wouldnt' give a good one either , plus new employer would judge the person on this aspect as well, cause they wouldn't like a person with such attitude. Secondly if you are on a key position ,by giving notice you always have a chance to bargain 😉

I dont know much about other sectors , But here in health care employement process in good organizations like teaching hospitals for certain positions takes almost three month and for some positions more which is some what long notice time in both ways for a new person who is about to join the organization as well as the previous employee who is about to leave the organization. So it may not be a rule by law but a practle implementation of certain ethicial rules.

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Originally posted by: qwertyesque

No its not unethical.. dont get too emotional about a job... consider it just an employment at will...now go out and have a nice chilled beer and quit your job.. go to hawaii for two months - come back and take up another.... 😆

😆 this is the best attitude.. life is short... tension nahi lene ka kia😆