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Posted: 17 years ago
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This new theory about skull fracture is absurd and 'll only fuel suspicion that Pakistani govt has something to hide. My money is on certain sections of the govt and ISI (who are ready to go to any lenth), same people who tried to kill her in Karachi. They were feeling threatened by her, she was heading for a win in this election and she had promised that she'll go after certain elements after she becomes PM. This time they got her, she had blamed certain people after Karachi, we don't know if any inquity was conducted after Karachi and whether anyone was caught.

IMO suicide bombing was a diversionary tactic so that they could blame "Al-Qaeda" for it. If you noticed that wasn't much damage to her heavily armoured car, the bomber could not have killed her. I am sure if a professional/expert investigation is held, the reality can be found out. The least they can do as a respect to her is not propagated silly theories like they did yesterday.[/QUOTE]

I soo agree... cann't a third nation be involved in detailed investigation...am such some facts will be revealed about this act.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: raj5000


Yeah fate cannot be changed...neither would any level of security would have helped if this was destined to happen, I agree. After such tradegy there are sepculations / blame theories... but jo hogaya toh hogaya... Even after Indira ji's assasination.... and constant threat on Rajivji...his life couldn't be saved from brutal assasins...Sad... am just hoping same doesn't repeat with other leaders special Imran Khan.



This was meant to happen. The day she came to Pakistan her life was always at stake and she also knew it. Her letters to CNN and US support alley of hers show that she knew her fate and was ready for it.... but power of politics and power is amazing....! It is surely sad...but afterall she was a politian ....same with Gandhi family. Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi all were assasinated but still Sonia and kids are in this politics. It's sad to see what's happening in Pakistan and hope they see some stability...usually with this politics and all common janta has always to suffer.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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well the theory of the fractured skull is a fact not theory. Her doctor said by the time she reached the hospital she was not breathing, her pupils dilated, n something else i forgot. BUt she dies because of the fractured skull. When she was shot, she fell n hit her head n fractureed her skull.
One thing i don't get why did she have to get her head out of the sunroof since she knew her life was in danger? Also suppose she didn't get out of her sunroof,. how would the guy have shot her? Why did he choose that moment? I mean he could've shot her when she was coming down the stage, you know that part of the video they show? I mean why that moment? If she didn't get out of the sunroof, would he have used the bomb? Would that have been enough to get her?
There are so many unanswered Q.'s left? Personally, I do think one of the suspects in this assassination is someone from her own party, the PPP. It def. was pre-planned.
It def. is sad, because she was the one hope for the gov't and stability.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Hey Dip DIP Dippy DOT 😛

Thsi is really something sad

Thousands of years back, we were all one and now we are divided so severly not only politically but religiously and emotionally too. We may see parsians as culprits but the fall is ours. be it Zia, Mahatama Gandhi, Liaqat Ali, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto,Indira Gandhi, Rajeev and now Benajeer Bhutto, all these politicalwhich is very strongly ruling int he world, specially in South Asia. These leaders were not a true political leader as they were not putting their egos nad arrogance and personal benefit above their political fight. Unlike most leaders, they did have a true feeling and pian towards their nations upliftment. Chance of succeding with this strategy ?????? we have seen the result of them only sacrificing their life. but this puts the nation in jeopardy. She was a true hope for giving a stability to the nation and also work towards a better neighborhood.
The only growth we notice much is corruption
I hope this incident finally lets people rise and focus on fighting off the corrupted and divisive politics which is cancer to our civilization and to save our civilization we need to shred it off or cut it off.
My salute to Benazir Bhutto's determination, courage and fighting spirit. Inspite of knowing her fate on her return, she returned to fight
evil forces of basic corruption.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Deepak, is that your picture fighting with cat 😆
cute AV 👏
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Deepak, is that your picture fighting with cat 😆
cute AV 👏
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Well of course it is her style..I have seen previous of her videos and she does usually wave out of the sunroof of her car. Ok, fair enough but not when knowing ur life is in danger...maybe that one little wave could cost u your life. ALright she did and it did cost her to lose her life.
But I agree, that during the chaos when everyone is like all over her car, was the only "good" for the man to shoot her.
It really is confusing. Your right, it is said that she might've died from hitting her head. Kinda absurd.(even though that's being debated within the Gov't). Covering up the truth perhaps?
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Swar_Raj

Hey Dip DIP Dippy DOT 😛

Thsi is really something sad

Thousands of years back, we were all one and now we are divided so severly not only politically but religiously and emotionally too. We may see parsians as culprits but the fall is ours. be it Zia, Mahatama Gandhi, Liaqat Ali, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto,Indira Gandhi, Rajeev and now Benajeer Bhutto, all these politicalwhich is very strongly ruling int he world, specially in South Asia. These leaders were not a true political leader as they were not putting their egos nad arrogance and personal benefit above their political fight. Unlike most leaders, they did have a true feeling and pian towards their nations upliftment. Chance of succeding with this strategy ?????? we have seen the result of them only sacrificing their life. but this puts the nation in jeopardy. She was a true hope for giving a stability to the nation and also work towards a better neighborhood.
The only growth we notice much is corruption
I hope this incident finally lets people rise and focus on fighting off the corrupted and divisive politics which is cancer to our civilization and to save our civilization we need to shred it off or cut it off.
My salute to Benazir Bhutto's determination, courage and fighting spirit. Inspite of knowing her fate on her return, she returned to fight
evil forces of basic corruption.



I definitely agree!
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Posted: 17 years ago
#39
People make it feel as if Benazir was the face of democracy in Pakistan

If anyone has ever followed her political career will see it is the farthest conclusion from the truth

First of all, she picks herself as the successor to her father's party(actually the party has had 3 chairman)
1. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto
2. Nusrat Bhutto
3. Benazir Bhutto

and now guess? Bilawal Bhutto and Asif Ali Zardari(Benazir's husband)

ok perhaps there is a lack of leadership in Pakistan but declaring yourself the lifelong chairman? and then annoiting your 19 year old as a successor?

What changes did Pakistan see when she was in power? well there was a lot of rhetoric before coming power but when she came in power nothing about education or about women's freedom(whatever was done was done when she was out of power)

A Big notable contribution to the the world
During her tenure she with US of A's active backing made sure a power rose and took reins of the govt, TALIBAN

footnote: Every time she was in power her govt was dismissed for corruption by Benazir and her husband read what wiki has to say and is pretty much confirmed by every other website

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto

Charges of corruption
French, Polish, Spanish, and Swiss documents have fueled the charges of corruption against Bhutto and her husband. Bhutto and her husband faced a number of legal proceedings, including a charge of laundering money through Swiss banks. Her husband, Asif Ali Zardari, spent eight years in prison on similar corruption charges. Zardari, released from jail in 2004, has suggested that his time in prison involved torture; human rights groups have supported his claim that his rights were violated.[12]

A 1998 New York Times investigative report[13] indicates that Pakistani investigators have documents that uncover a network of bank accounts, all linked to the family's lawyer in Switzerland, with Asif Zardari as the principal shareholder. According to the article, documents released by the French authorities indicated that Zardari offered exclusive rights to Dassault, a French aircraft manufacturer, to replace the air force's fighter jets in exchange for a 5% commission to be paid to a Swiss corporation controlled by Zardari. The article also said a Dubai company received an exclusive license to import gold into Pakistan for which Asif Zardari received payments of more than $10 million into his Dubai-based Citibank accounts. The owner of the company denied that he had made payments to Zardari and claims the documents were forged. Bhutto maintained that the charges leveled against her and her husband were purely political.[14][15] An Auditor General of Pakistan (AGP) report supports Bhutto's claim. It presents information suggesting that Benazir Bhutto was ousted from power in 1990 as a result of a witch hunt approved by then-president Ghulam Ishaq Khan. The AGP report says Khan illegally paid legal advisers 28 million rupees to file 19 corruption cases against Bhutto and her husband in 1990-92.[16]

The assets held by Bhutto and her husband have been scrutinized. The prosecutors have alleged that their Swiss bank accounts contain 740 million.[17] Zardari also bought a neo-Tudor mansion and estate worth over 4 million in Surrey, England, UK.[18][19] The Pakistani investigations have tied other overseas properties to Zardari's family. These include a $2.5 million manor in Normandy owned by Zardari's parents, who had modest assets at the time of his marriage.[13] Bhutto denied holding substantive overseas assets.


Switzerland
On July 23, 1998, the Swiss Government handed over documents to the government of Pakistan which relate to corruption allegations against Benazir Bhutto and her husband.[20] The documents included a formal charge of money laundering by Swiss authorities against Zardari. The Pakistani government had been conducting a wide-ranging inquiry to account for more than $13.7 million frozen by Swiss authorities in 1997 that was allegedly stashed in banks by Bhutto and her husband. The Pakistani government recently filed criminal charges against Bhutto in an effort to track down an estimated $1.5 billion she and her husband are alleged to have received in a variety of criminal enterprises.[21] The documents suggest that the money Zardari was alleged to have laundered was accessible to Benazir Bhutto and had been used to buy a diamond necklace for over $175,000.[22] The PPP has responded by flatly denying the charges, suggesting that Swiss authorities have been misled by false evidence provided by Islamabad.

On August 6, 2003, Swiss magistrates found Bhutto and her husband guilty of money laundering.[23] They were given six-month suspended jail terms, fined $50,000 each and were ordered to pay $11 million to the Pakistani government. The six-year trial concluded that Bhutto and Zardari deposited in Swiss accounts $10 million given to them by a Swiss company in exchange for a contract in Pakistan. The couple said they would appeal. The Pakistani investigators say Zardari opened a Citibank account in Geneva in 1995 through which they say he passed some $40 million of the $100 million he received in payoffs from foreign companies doing business in Pakistan.[24] In October 2007, Daniel Zappelli, chief prosecutor of the canton of Geneva, said he received the conclusions of a money laundering investigation against former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto on October 29, but it was unclear whether there would be any further legal action against her in Switzerland.[25]


Poland
The Polish Government has given Pakistan 500 pages of documentation relating to corruption allegations against Benazir Bhutto and her husband. These charges are in regard to the purchase of 8,000 tractors in a 1997 deal.[26][27] According to Pakistani officials, the Polish papers contain details of illegal commissions paid by the tractor company in return for agreeing to their contract.[28] It was alleged that the arrangement "skimmed" Rs 103 mn rupees ($2 million) in kickbacks.[29] "The documentary evidence received from Poland confirms the scheme of kickbacks laid out by Asif Zardari and Benazir Bhutto in the name of (the) launching of Awami tractor scheme," APP said. Bhutto and Asif Ali Zardari allegedly received a 7.15% commission on the purchase through their front men, Jens Schlegelmilch and Didier Plantin of Dargal S.A., who received about $1.969 million for supplying 5,900 Ursus tractors.[30]


France
Potentially the most lucrative deal alleged in the documents involved the effort by Dassault Aviation, a French military contractor. French authorities indicated in 1998 that Bhutto's husband, Zardari, offered exclusive rights to Dassault to replace the air force's fighter jets in exchange for a five percent commission to be paid to a corporation in Switzerland controlled by Zardari.[31]

At the time, French corruption laws forbade bribery of French officials but permitted payoffs to foreign officials, and even made the payoffs tax-deductible in France. However, France changed this law in 2000.[32]


Western Asia
In the largest single payment investigators have uncovered, a gold bullion dealer in Western Asia was alleged to have deposited at least $10 million into one of Zardari's accounts after the Bhutto government gave him a monopoly on gold imports that sustained Pakistan's jewellery industry. The money was allegedly deposited into Zardari's Citibank account in Dubai. Pakistan's Arabian Sea coast, stretching from Karachi to the border with Iran, has long been a gold smugglers' haven. Until the beginning of Bhutto's second term, the trade, running into hundreds of millions of dollars a year, was unregulated, with slivers of gold called biscuits, and larger weights in bullion, carried on planes and boats that travel between the Persian Gulf and the largely unguarded Pakistani coast.

Shortly after Bhutto returned as prime minister in 1993, a Pakistani bullion trader in Dubai, Abdul Razzak Yaqub, proposed a deal: in return for the exclusive right to import gold, Razzak would help the government regularize the trade. In November 1994, Pakistan's Commerce Ministry wrote to Razzak informing him that he had been granted a license that made him, for at least the next two years, Pakistan's sole authorized gold importer. In an interview in his office in Dubai, Razzak acknowledged that he had used the license to import more than $500 million in gold into Pakistan, and that he had travelled to Islamabad several times to meet with Bhutto and Zardari. But he denied that there had been any corruption or secret deals. "I have not paid a single cent to Zardari," he said. Razzak claims that someone in Pakistan who wished to destroy his reputation had contrived to have his company wrongly identified as the depositor. "Somebody in the bank has cooperated with my enemies to make false documents," he said.[33][34][35][36]

Bhutto's niece and others have publicly accused Bhutto of complicity in the killing of her brother Murtaza Bhutto in 1996 by uniformed police officers whilst she was Prime Minister.[37]


It is high time Pakistan elects someone who thinks about their country for the betterment of the country not just themselves and their bank accounts, someone who is able to stand upto the military and able to withstand a coup by them(the military on its own doesnt attempt a coup, they have active backing from Washington)

Benazir was not even close to that and it is really sad to see people prop her up b'cos she was a woman. How many times have we said being of any specific gender doesnt make you a better ruler

What is the fallout of this?

People are going to be flooded with emotion and vote PPP into power and that will elect her son or her husband as the PM, that will just acheive one thing flow the wealth(whatever remaining) of Pakistan to another Swiss bank account and lead to another dismissal by a military coup in a couple of years and people of Pakistan will have gotten ziltch out of it

Or Musharraf will just not let a free and fair election to happen

the fallout that everyone is claiming that Pakistan lost a great leader is not true
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Benazir's two tenures as PM were bad for us. I am a bit surprised the news channels have completely forgotton it.

BTW, ab jo latest video aaya hai usse to koi shaq hi nahin hai ki unki maut goli se hi huyi thi. Don't know why Pakistani Govt is trying to cover it..extremely foolish thing to do. And the shooter looks like a padha likha banda..unlike the Talibani or Jihadi..and extremely calm and composed too. Maybe the suicide bomber was there to make sure nothing is left there..and no-one is caught alive.

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