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Posted: 17 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: rutumodi915

Well dreams are different and achieveing them is one different thing. She may have dreamt about it but looking at her size, she thought against it and went on to the directorial side instead till SLB persuaded her to become an actress.

Ranbir said that he assisted SLB in Black because he wanted him to take him in his next film and so he wanted to impress her. Sonam may have just wanted to learn direction. And I did not even say that losing 90 kgs was a part of Sonam's struggle. Don't put words in my mouth.

Hello! All JDV said that Vidya Balan is one of those recent few who have truly struggled to make it big. There is NO comparison here.

Why are you fighting a personal battle for Deepika? 😕

Thanks mate,for taking up the cudgels for me😊...And you're right,beats me why people are fighting a personal battle for Deepika....😕

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Both are love stories at the end of the day, fans of Shahrukh and Sanjay Leela Bhansali will be watching either or both maybe as well.

But its the curiosity of Saawariya of the new actors and Salman and Rani's role which will attract my attention more.

The only reason I want to watch Om Shanti Om is to watch the song Deewangi Deewangi in which half of Bollywood comes together.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: joie de vivre

Thanks mate,for taking up the cudgels for me😊...And you're right,beats me why people are fighting a personal battle for Deepika....😕

No problem 😊! I was just surprised at the sudden inflow of sarcasm for the sake of defending some celebrity.

Oh and I agree with you! If Deepika acts better than Sonam, I will not have any qualms about accepting that either. 😃

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Ok guys...the verdict is out...I frankly was disappointed with both...OSO wasnt as good as i expected...and Saawariya wasnt as bad as I had expected!

this article in Hindu kind of sums up waht I want to say!


Big fuss, but no big deal at the cinemas this week

OM SHANTI OM

(At Shiela and other theatres in Delhi and elsewhere)

Farah Khan continues with her irreverent ways. She cloaks nostalgia with a dash of humour and manages to take little digs at the cinema many of us grew up with: the 1970s' films that conveyed much joy, shared little angst. Her "Om Shanti Om" here now is a retro with a modern look, a film that throbs with vitality, pulsating at the edges.

Inspired by Subhash Ghai's "Karz", from whose song it even derives its title, Farah this time goes a bridge too far. There is a fine line between being irreverent and disrespectful. The way the movie shapes up, it leaves one wondering if she is taking the viewers for a ride. In trying to be light and jovial – the film has a feather touch treatment all through – she at times veers too close to being trivial, even mocking at the sensibilities of the viewers.

Yet for a large part the film works. It works tremendously well in patches. That is when the director relies on the sheer charisma, the untamed energy of Shah Rukh Khan to carry it through. He is the life, blood and soul of the film. He towers above all the frames. And he gets good support from newcomer Deepika Padukone. The girl has grace and poise to go with those tantalising looks that tell you that in years to come people would still be flocking to see her films. As they say, she has the looks to get the looks.

But hey, the lead pair alone does not make a film. It is the director who must lead the way. And that is where "Om Shanti Om" falls short. It is based on the reincarnation theme: we have Shah Rukh as a junior artist in love with a top heroine, played by Deepika, but fate snatches them away from this life, only for both to come back, and this time the guy is a top star! Too much for the modern educated audiences to buy? Well, maybe. But where Farah errs is in spending too much time on nostalgia.

The first half with all the reference points to yesterday provides occasional laughter. But that's about all. The story does not move. The second half suffers similarly: Farah's husband-in-real-life Shirish Kunder is off form as the editor. And barring a nice song sequence with anybody who is somebody in Bollywood showing up, there is little to keep the viewers hooked on.

No, not even the music. And by the time, the mystery of who killed the girl in the first birth is solved, too many reels are wasted.

The film could have been trimmed easily without affecting its nostalgia quotient or the retro look.

Yet for all its faults, if you are a die-hard Shah Rukh fan – and they are there in thousands – "Om Shanti Om" can be visited once. Just to see Shah Rukh do his bare chest act, his role reversal from being a top star to a junior artist. And his ability to momentarily forget that he is Shah Rukh. Of course, Deepika does not hurt the eyes, and pleases where it matters.

Want a film with a breezy momentum? With a thread of credibility or logic? Stay away. This one is only for those living off yesterday, longing for the times that were.

SAAWARIYA

(At Delite and other theatres in Delhi and elsewhere)

Sad songs don't make for a sweet life. Or a successful film. Sanjay Leela Bhansali's much talked about "Saawariya" is so steeped in sorrow, so full of darkness that you wish there was dawn too. There is so much of the moon and its gentle glow that you wish there was bountiful sunshine as well. "Sawaariya" is nothing but a self-indulgent poet's vain exercise, beautiful to look at for a while, but bereft of the soul. It's like a shallow showcase. All to see, not much to carry to the memory bank.

It relates the time-tested tale of an innocent boy who has nothing but his charm and song to keep him going, and a girl, untouched by a man, innocent to love. Throw in newcomers Ranbir Kapoor and Sonam Kapoor as the lead pair and you know Bhansali has got a fist of unadulterated clay to carve out an arresting sculpture. And full credit to him, he presents his lover couple in a manner that is both uplifting and exhilarating. Some of the moments in the exchanges between them linger a while after the camera has moved on.

They live in a fantasy land, populated by women of the sleaze street – mercifully they don't always speak the language of the gutter – and others who exist only in Bhansali's mind's landscape. But the youngsters find their bearings soon enough in the film inspired by "White Night". Sonam as a Muslim girl Sakeena, who lives with her grandma – good old Begum Para – is blessed with a face that invites attention. Her eyes are soaked in sadness, her face defies sorrow, presenting an arresting mixture. Ranbir, who lives with the timeless Zohra Segal, is all boyish charm, likeable, malleable. And he comes through a translucent towel number with confidence. Incidentally, the song, thrown in for obvious reasons, is handled with a rare dexterity by the director, who otherwise is on his own ego trip.

Throughout the film we get lots of blues, black and slanting rays of the moon. There is hardly any daytime in the film. And the actors all live around a little lake with its interplay of light and shadow, against the crests and troughs of its ripples.

Similarly, the Id moon is seen by an army of men, all clad in white and standing at an arm's length from each other. Only the hero is allowed black. And the heroine looks at him through an intricate jaali work, allowing the camera to capture her face, half hidden, half revealed. In a cruel concession to the box office, Bhansali's conservative girl covers her face and head with a dupatta but wears backless blouses or cholis, giving the viewers a full view where a mere glimpse would have sufficed.

Yes, Bhansali's film is a beautiful if egoistic exercise. That's all. The story does not have depth or multiple shades. The momentum in narration is missing. And the songs, cheery and hummable, are lost in a sea of sadness. There is an overdose of technique over flair. And all the good work of Rani Mukerji -- she plays a woman of easy virtue who brings all the virtues of a seasoned artiste to her work -- and the lead pair is of little avail.

Sorry Mr. Bhansali, this film will only please the poet in you, but the paying public deserves better. One man's joy can be a million's sorrow.😆

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Posted: 17 years ago
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I think OSO has steam-rolled Sawarya..(and i dont think SRK is a good actor but he was good in this movie)...will wait till next week to get the taran adarsh interpretations... Farha knockout to SLB... The better part is the directions and SRK... Music is terrific.... I feel sawar... melodies are banal... wohi uncreative lyrics... the real melody was done anew in QSQT/ashiqui and since then music is struggling bet' hype and conditioning.....I think sawar... got hammered to everyones head who watched little bit of Sony... 😆

And Deepika has great debut....she surely looks like professional grade....the main difference is SLB looks like a manipulator who manipulates the audience with his standard formula... while Farah gives a whole new package from her earlier MHN - a totally different movie - the paisa vasool kind... not seen one in many years i'd say...it reminds you of manmohan desai movies....

Edited by qwertyesque - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: rutumodi915

No problem 😊! I was just surprised at the sudden inflow of sarcasm for the sake of defending some celebrity.

Oh and I agree with you! If Deepika acts better than Sonam, I will not have any qualms about accepting that either. 😃

Deepika is better than many I would say... she will definitely supercede Rani.........as she grows....

vidya balan who somebody mentioned earlier is more like Gracy singh.. minus the better looks... she will have a good film here there but thats it....no real glamor...no reach...

Edited by qwertyesque - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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I have not seen Saawariya yet. However, I saw OSO today in the theater. The first desi flick to come in our little Midwestern city within a day of release. The last a movie was so sold out was for KHNH.

To me OSO is a full paisa vasool film. Of course you have to leave logic and sensibilities behind. We were literally dying laughing. Even though some of our American friends are not in tune with Bollywood completely to get the humor, they simply loved it.

I truly admire Farah Khans wit and humor. She is completely out there in this one. She fabulously parodies Bollywood including SRK himself. Deepika is really good in her debut. The film is not high in critical value but delivers 200% in entertainment value. This one will definitely be a box office winner knocking Saawariya out of the ring.

I still want to see Saawariya. I like SLB's films and I am curious about Ranbir and Sonam. Recently I found that Saawariya is an adaptation of Dostoevsky's White nights. Knowing that my expectations of the film have changed. In my opinion that is the result of the movies failures. The Russians have always been complex writers with stories that are difficult to adapt. Their works draw upon surrealism, existentialism, post-modernism which make the subject matter intricate and difficult to follow. There is always angst, anguish, frustration and a range of painful emotions showing the suffering of human kind.

White Nights is not really a love story at all. It is one mans dream and passion. It is the tale of a man who finds his friendship with a woman grow into intense, passionate, romantic desire; while she seeks nothing more than friendship and his company and comfort. While the readers feel pain, despair, anguish. He does not despair but views his infatuation and heartbreak in a very existential way where he separates himself from thought processes that cause despair and anguish.

Such a storyline is very alien to Indian audiences who have been subject to idealistic stories of love. The existential perspective to emotions of anguish and despair is not a philosophical concept down with the masses. The hero is not grounded at all, he is a very dreamy character who pursues fantasies rather than true love which can be a difficult character. Also the fact that a woman seeks a mans company in an intimate but purely platonic relationship could also be difficult to accept.

While such a movie will go down well with those immersed in Russian literature, philosophy or Slavic studies it is just nothing but nonsense for an ordinary person.

But then I could be expecting too much, it could be a really bad adaptation. Although, I have to hold final judgment till I see it and see if the adaptation holds any interest to me. I have to admit the Russians and the surrealistic plots do tend to be to heavy for me at times. So I may end up despising Saawariya.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Deepika is better than many I would say... she will definitely supercede Rani.........as she grows....

Why is Rani's success used as a yardstick😕...Deepika and Rani are from two different schools of acting...Deepika will be a much bigger star than Rani....Deepika is truly very pretty,Rani looks so very ordinary....Rani is plump and has a fluctuating weight problem,Rani has never managed to look even one hundredth of what Deepika looks,most of Rani's attempts to look glamourous bites the dust....Most of Rani's hits have been with SRK...Rani is hugely overrated both as an actress as well as a star!!..She's been in the industry for 12 years,and still hasn't attained a legendary status like Madhuri or Sridevi

vidya balan who somebody mentioned earlier is more like Gracy singh.. minus the better looks... she will have a good film here there but thats it....no real glamor...no reach...

Gracy Singh looks better than Vidya Balan😲...Alright,now that is STRICTLY a matter of opinion..But Vidya is already is star in her own right,something that Gracy Singh never was...Gracy's most memorable films are Lagaan,Munnabhai MBBS and Armaan..In all these three films,she went unnoticed.....Vidya,in her three years has achieved quite alot,Parineeta is a modern day classic!!..Vidya has quite a fanbase,which would not be in existence if she has no "reach"

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

The Russians have always been complex writers with stories that are difficult to adapt. Their works draw upon surrealism, existentialism, post-modernism which make the subject matter intricate and difficult to follow. There is always angst, anguish, frustration and a range of painful emotions showing the suffering of human kind.

White Nights is not really a love story at all. It is one mans dream and passion. It is the tale of a man who finds his friendship with a woman grow into intense, passionate, romantic desire; while she seeks nothing more than friendship and his company and comfort. While the readers feel pain, despair, anguish. He does not despair but views his infatuation and heartbreak in a very existential way where he separates himself from thought processes that cause despair and anguish.

Such a storyline is very alien to Indian audiences who have been subject to idealistic stories of love. The existential perspective to emotions of anguish and despair is not a philosophical concept down with the masses. The hero is not grounded at all, he is a very dreamy character who pursues fantasies rather than true love which can be a difficult character. Also the fact that a woman seeks a mans company in an intimate but purely platonic relationship could also be difficult to accept.

While such a movie will go down well with those immersed in Russian literature, philosophy or Slavic studies it is just nothing but nonsense for an ordinary person.

You're so right!!...I read White Nights recently,and quite honestly,I was bored to death🥱...It was so abstruse, so very abstract,positively recondite and quite frankly,utterly unfathomable😕..I couldn't connect with the narrator,or the girl Nastenka or her love...The dreamer falls in love with Nastenka,but he can express his bewildering life as a dreamer so much better than his love for her😕...Quite honestly,I consider it a bit of an achievement to have actually FINISHED the story,because my mates couldn't read anymore than one single page...I'm no connoisseur of literature,I'm a Science student and a workaday person like me cannot figure out the finer nuances of the story ..As the reviews of the film suggest,the story is unrealistic,confusing and sleep-inducing...SLB could have made this film if he had superstars essaying the roles of the narrator and Nastenka...He was gambling on the hype surrounding the launch of Rishi Kapoor's son and Anil Kapoor's daughter wwhen he chose such a dicey subject

Edited by joie de vivre - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades



To me OSO is a full paisa vasool film. Of course you have to leave logic and sensibilities behind. We were literally dying laughing. Even though some of our American friends are not in tune with Bollywood completely to get the humor, they simply loved it.

I truly admire Farah Khans wit and humor. She is completely out there in this one. She fabulously parodies Bollywood including SRK himself. Deepika is really good in her debut. The film is not high in critical value but delivers 200% in entertainment value. This one will definitely be a box office winner knocking Saawariya out of the ring.

Totally agree with the quoted bits above! I had a blast watching the movie. And it was not all OTT - there was a lot of subtle stuff which you could miss if you are not well and truly into Hindi films. 😛

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