Sanjay Dutt gets 6 years in Jail. Fair? - Page 24

Why does everyone want to bring up every criminal who got away on a technicality maybe, is that a justification of letting off Sanjay Dutt?

Is it just b'cos Sanjay Dutt is close to one's hearts?

When a criminal gets away on a technicality, some part of the justice system gets demoralized, now people want to use that to demoralize the justice system even further even in cases where they were able to get around the technicalities

Originally posted by: chatbuster

meanwhile Delhi HC acquits Shibu Soren. 😊

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Delhi_HC_acquits_Soren_in _Jha_murder_case/articleshow/2300800.cms

SD got 6 years that he is fighting, Soren walks free on a murder charge. fair, no? 😛

...it proves that even jails don't like them😛

Originally posted by: sareg

Why does everyone want to bring up every criminal who got away on a technicality maybe, is that a justification of letting off Sanjay Dutt?

Is it just b'cos Sanjay Dutt is close to one's hearts?

When a criminal gets away on a technicality, some part of the justice system gets demoralized, now people want to use that to demoralize the justice system even further even in cases where they were able to get around the technicalities

the simple reason is that folks used the argument that someone else got 6 years, so SD should also get 6 years. i was saying that there are other metrics also for meting out justice- comparing criminality of one offence versus another. perhaps noone should have gotten 6 years for that crime.

also, an argument that something is fair just because it is in the books seemed like ducking the issue. that's the kind of argument that gets soren off. if one wants to look at equity and overhaul of the system, one has to start with a comprehensive approach, not piece-meal. and to my mind, 6 years for unwitting arms possession (the actual conviction, and let's not have all the other speculation here) is not fair when someone, even if he is found guilty of murder, could get off in 14 years and less with good behavior. just stinks to high heavens.

finally, we cant set the speed limit so low that a lot of people break the law and a corrupt system can choose to go after only those that it actually wants to catch. from what i hear, a lot of folks do possess unauthorized killing weapons, all across india, whether it's the city or the village. cant be locking all those folks up for 6 years. focus on the murderers, the rapists, the acid-throwers, and the actual terrorists and put them away forever..

Originally posted by: mythili_Kiran

...it proves that even jails don't like them😛

😆 and that guy was hanging around the PM in his cabinet. the PM's security detail should be protecting him from his cronies, not just the public😛😆

Shibu Soren too? Good. We believe in giving culprits chance to correct their mistakes.

Now he can happily go back and join Manmohan Singh's cabinet.

Originally posted by: chatbuster

the simple reason is that folks used the argument that someone else got 6 years, so SD should also get 6 years. i was saying that there are other metrics also for meting out justice- comparing criminality of one offence versus another. perhaps noone should have gotten 6 years for that crime.

also, an argument that something is fair just because it is in the books seemed like ducking the issue. that's the kind of argument that gets soren off. if one wants to look at equity and overhaul of the system, one has to start with a comprehensive approach, not piece-meal. and to my mind, 6 years for unwitting arms possession (the actual conviction, and let's not have all the other speculation here) is not fair when someone, even if he is found guilty of murder, could get off in 14 years and less with good behavior. just stinks to high heavens.

finally, we cant set the speed limit so low that a lot of people break the law and a corrupt system can choose to go after only those that it actually wants to catch. from what i hear, a lot of folks do possess unauthorized killing weapons, all across india, whether it's the city or the village. cant be locking all those folks up for 6 years. focus on the murderers, the rapists, the acid-throwers, and the actual terrorists and put them away forever..

I see what you are trying to say, yes, if a guy who murders someone in a non-premediated fashion might get like 14 years, after good behaviour it might come down to 12 years

but then Sanjay Dutt is getting 6 years and after good behaviour it will come down to 4 years anyway

about him getting 6 years by the book

well, you define a crime and you define possible punishments for it

like Rape - 10 years to life emprisonment(14 years) maybe

murder - 10 years to death sentence maybe

deadly attack - 8- 12 years maybe

corruption - 5-10 years maybe

petty robbery - 1-2 years maybe

that is what our legal system has

Similarly possession of a weapon of mass killing - 5-10 years is the sentence

I absolultely dont see a problem with 6 years

that is an ascending list of crimes and their associated punishments

If we want to revamp our entire system, I think it is more of a ideological dscussion, but I would not have a problem with any of these punishments

now someone certainly can say , why did he not get the minimum of 5 and why he got 6, but look at his history of making up things to prove he is innocent and perhaps the judge was right in not handing him a minimum

Originally posted by: sareg

I see what you are trying to say, yes, if a guy who murders someone in a non-premediated fashion might get like 14 years, after good behaviour it might come down to 12 years

but then Sanjay Dutt is getting 6 years and after good behaviour it will come down to 4 years anyway

about him getting 6 years by the book

well, you define a crime and you define possible punishments for it

like Rape - 10 years to life emprisonment(14 years) maybe

murder - 10 years to death sentence maybe

deadly attack - 8- 12 years maybe

corruption - 5-10 years maybe

petty robbery - 1-2 years maybe

that is what our legal system has

Similarly possession of a weapon of mass killing - 5-10 years is the sentence

I absolultely dont see a problem with 6 years

that is an ascending list of crimes and their associated punishments

If we want to revamp our entire system, I think it is more of a ideological dscussion, but I would not have a problem with any of these punishments

now someone certainly can say , why did he not get the minimum of 5 and why he got 6, but look at his history of making up things to prove he is innocent and perhaps the judge was right in not handing him a minimum

no problem. we can choose to disagree on the sentence for each.

i also think the problem is that it is very hard to get a conviction in india. so we savor every victory. we should make convicting someone easier, and give the max to big-time offenders, and basically a slap-in-the-wrist to others. dont want to be criminalizing people, that too based on the whims of some political goons.

as for 5 years versus 6, that to me is insignificant. if that's all SD will be fighting for, then he might as well humbly accept the verdict and get on with his life.

Originally posted by: chatbuster

😆 and that guy was hanging around the PM in his cabinet. the PM's security detail should be protecting him from his cronies, not just the public😛😆

PM cannot do anything in the present scenario...he cannot even block his entry...he can only say to Shibusoren not to enter into the cabinet....But the vote bank shibusoren got matters to UPA...shibu soren..one of the alergic politicians🤢🤢🤢...in looks and acts🤢....donno how people vote for him 🤢

Arre MMS ki need udi huyi hai aajkal, he is having sleepless nights these days... 😉

Merely because Shibu Soren is a politician, his being acquitted of a crime, by a court of Justice is questionable? Why? Merely because we have our minds made up that because he is a politician or a gunda or a person with a criminal background he should have or he would have or in all probability he has committed the crime and deserves to go to jail!

The trial was conducted and after going through the evidence, the court arrived at this verdict. It is the court alone who had a chance to go through all the evidence in the matter and then weighed them on the balance of probabilities and possibly found that he was not guilty beyond all reasonable doubts. Why do we go criticizing the courts without once considering all the evidence in the matter... which incidentally is not what the media publishes, but what is admitted as such in the court of law.

I do not say Shibu Soren is not guilty or innocent, neither am I saying he is guilty. I believe that in the overall scenario, in the facts and circumstances of the case, he would have gotten the benefit of doubt.....

And I believe that no two crimes can be equated.