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Posted: 18 years ago
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http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india/06_2007/naive-nehru-respon sible-for-indiachina-war-cia-43755.html

New Delhi: In a development that could drive a wedge into India-China relations, the CIA has revealed declassified information on American policy and thinking that were kept secret for decades.

The documents speak of how Beijing deceived New Delhi on the border issue through false assurances to Jawahar Lal Nehru, giving the impression they were petty problems which could be resolved by officials at lower levels.

They also paint Nehru as a naive and romantic statesman who trusted the Chinese. The documents claim that Nehru kept disagreements on the border issue out of public domain, to maintain his relationship with China.

The CIA is releasing these documents for the National Security Archive, as per the Freedom of Information act.

Nehru, say the first set of documents, even kept border incidents and rising disagreement with China out of Indian public domain in order to contain public opinion and to maintain his relationship with Zhou.

"The Chinese diplomatic effort was a five year masterpiece of guile, executed - and probably planned in large part by Chou en Lai," the CIA analysis says.

"Chou played on Nehru's Asian, anti-imperialist mental attitude, his proclivity to temporize, and his sincere desire for an amicable Sino-Indian relationship."

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IMO Nehru was a highly overrated (but ambitius) leader who was lucky to be 1st PM of independent India. Bec'se of Nehru family's domination of India (they have hijacked the Gandhi name🤢), other leaders never got their due and Nehru's contribution was highly inflated.

He was resposible for several major blunders in Independent India's history:

1) Declaring ceasefire in J&K and going to UN.

2) His Hindi-Chini bhai bhai policy and not opposing Chinese invasion of Tibbet in 1950, which ultimately resulted in 1962 fiasco.

3) His socialist economic policy set us back by few decades.

From wiki...

"Nehru and his colleagues had been released as the British Cabinet Mission arrived to propose plans for transfer of power. The Congress held a presidential election in the knowledge that its chosen leader would become India's head of government. 11 Congress state units nominated Vallabhbhai Patel, while only the Working Committee suggested Nehru. Sensing that Nehru would not accept second place to Patel and that Nehru had a wider appeal, Gandhi supported Nehru and asked Patel to withdraw, which he immediately did. Nehru's election surprised many Congressmen and continues to be a source of controversy in modern times."

"Fearing communal reprisals, Nehru also hesitated in supporting the annexation of Hyderabad State, and clashed with Patel on the Kashmir dispute and relations with Pakistan. Nehru asserted his own control over Kashmir policy while Patel objected to Nehru sidelining his Home Ministry's officials. Nehru felt offended by Patel's decision-making regarding the states' integration without consulting either him or the Cabinet. Patel asked Gandhi to relieve him of his obligation to serve."

"Despite working together, the two leaders would clash on various issues. Nehru declined Patel's counsel on sending assistance to Tibet in 1950 with the disputed entrance of the People's Republic of China and ejecting the Portuguese from Goa by military force.

When Nehru pressured Dr. Rajendra Prasad to decline a nomination to become the first President of India in 1950 in favour of Rajagopalachari, he thus angered the party, which felt Nehru was attempting to impose his will. Nehru sought Patel's help in winning the party over, but Patel declined, and Prasad was duly elected. When Nehru opposed the 1950 Congress presidential candidacy of Purushottam Das Tandon, a conservative Hindu leader, he endorsed Jivatram Kripalani and threatened to resign if Tandon was elected. Patel rejected Nehru's views and endorsed Tandon in Gujarat, in a disputed election where Kripalani received not one vote despite hailing from that state himself. Patel believed Nehru had to understand that his will was not law with the Congress, but he personally discouraged Nehru from resigning after the latter felt that the party had no confidence in him."

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Posted: 18 years ago
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There's a pretty thick line between naive and stupid.
anything i say more may be offensive to nehru fans.. 😊 so will not say.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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CIA de-classified documents (several of them)... http://www.foia.cia.gov/cpe.asp

These three are of particular interest to us...

7. The Sino-Indian Border Dispute Section 1: 1950-59 2-Mar-63
8. The Sino-Indian Border Dispute Section 2: 1959-61 19-Aug-63
9. The Sino-Indian Border Dispute Section 3: 1961-62 5-May-64
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Deepak Ji!

It seems you like China and Nehru a lot.....šŸ˜†

Nehru might be a over rated leader but he was the apt choice for the Prime Minister post then!

Regarding Sino-Indian relations:

Nehru really tried a lot to bring peace and he was really shocked of the war and the acts of China!

We cannot say Nehru is naive just for the sake of his failure in avoiding the war with china!! Romantic side of nehru is really important .... but need to study in detailšŸ˜‰ how and who impacted the Sino-Indian relations!

People say that Edwina Mounbatten ji had a key role to play in the formation of India-Pak countries formation but don't know if there are solid proofs for that....

Nice topic DeepakšŸ‘,very informativešŸ‘

Cheers,

Mythili

Edited by mythili_Kiran - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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I didn't go through the entire content but just from subject line I would say Nehru and naive doesn't belong in one sentence. He was shrewd. He is someone who came to politics and became 1st Prime Minister because of his wealthy family.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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I am no Nehru fan...However I would just like to say that in hind sight its easy to judge which decision was right and which one was stupid...We can only learn from those mistakes and not repeat them...We were not alive around that time to judge who was the right choice for the Prime Minister post...

Talking about the right choices, we have every right and chance to choose proper ones now, then how come we are time and again ending up with wrong choices???? šŸ˜” šŸ˜’

Nice post Deepak..I don't see you here very often...Seems like you are also a VIP on DM( because you pay occassional visits just like I do šŸ˜†)

Cheers,
Raksha😊

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: raksha.l

I am no Nehru fan...However I would just like to say that in hind sight its easy to judge which decision was right and which one was stupid... We can only learn from those mistakes and not repeat them...We were not alive around that time to judge who was the right choice for the Prime Minister post... [/quote]

One doesn't need to be alive to comment on history. If that was the case then we wouldn't be having any debates or discussions based on history. No one would be talking about Karna and his misdeedsšŸ˜‰. One speaks about history after gathering knowledge from books and getting the facts right.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: raksha.l

I am no Nehru fan...However I would just like to say that in hind sight its easy to judge which decision was right and which one was stupid... We can only learn from those mistakes and not repeat them...We were not alive around that time to judge who was the right choice for the Prime Minister post... [/quote]

[quote] One doesn't need to be alive to comment on history. If that was the case then we wouldn't be having any debates or discussions based on history. No one would be talking about Karna and his misdeedsšŸ˜‰. One speaks about history after gathering knowledge from books and getting the facts right. [/quote]

How do you manage to get the extreme meaning out of what was said??? Talking about Karan,Dhuryodan,Ravan and other demonic mythological characters, is another thing- my opinion...😊



How did we allow 'madam ji' to get to that position???I am sure the future generations are only going to blame us..That's the power of History...

Edited for syntax errors..Still there are some, don't know how to correct them...Sorry for the inconvinience...

Edited by raksha.l - 18 years ago

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: raksha.l


How do you manage to get the extreme meaning out of what was said??? Talking about Karan,Dhuryodan,Ravan and other demonic mythological characters, is another thing- my opinion...😊 [/quote]

Why do you perceive my views as extreme and yours as just an opinion? While debating what we exchange is opinion. We also draw various parallels to make a strong point or just to make it interesting. It is not always possible to post one's opinion catering to another's need. If you expect that then I assure you that I would never quote you in future😊.

We didn't select Madam ji. The party did just like it did eons ago and made Nehru our Prime Minister when there were better leaders around. Money always talks.

Edited by Maya_M - 18 years ago

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Posted: 18 years ago
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some politician said that "nehru-gandhi parivaar ek aisa darakht (tree) hain jis key neechey paudhey ugg toh saktey hain per panap nahi saktey"

meaning, this dynasty let lot of politicians mushroom under their umbrella but did not let them grow in to strong, dependable leaders. that is why even today, apart from a gandhi, there is no perceived leader in congress.

even at work you make sure that your subordinates develop professionally. but this family believes in gorging all the power. i personally feel that nehru was an extremely shrewd leader...not naive...and was not a good choice for the very first prime minister. I agree with Maya's views here

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