Beyond religion/ science - Is their 1 - Page 3

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

1. you were stopping previously with the apes and now with the dinosaurs. i am questioning where it all came from, including your "natural dynamic". nature usually refers to a certain way things happen. but why? why do they happen that way. why those universal laws, and not some other? if we keep going back to the "why" one would expect to unravel the "who"

2. einstein's general theory of relativity is one of the greatest creations of SPECULATIVE science. yes, there is such a term. most of what he came up with he did not have observations for. could not have, given the technology available then. the doppler red-shift phenomena you mentioned was explained much later by the theory. there is also nothing we can do to see the presence of curved spacetime. no observations as such that directly validate all that conjecture. just that the observations we do find today mesh with the predictions of that theory. if people did not know better, they'd find it all fantasy too.

in that context, even newton's theory of gravitation was found to deviate from reality. einstein's theoy in fact explained deviations of the motion of the planet Mercury from the predictions of newton's theory.

my point- even the pillars on which science stands are not always proven fact. they often just range from hypothesis to incompletely validated theory.

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Things exist due to natural dynamic... there is nobody running the show. now if yu wana call it god thats fine but there is nobody who knows you or has plans for you or any of us.....we are all unrelated enities... and I am sure its Father nature....😉

But if you wait for a few years more I could become a God too...😉

Originally posted by: Believe

Some time i feel God is working like a satlite 😳 .......he can watch all things,store all things.......sometime give panishment also... 😊 ..I believe there one power who control everything in the universe. 😊

Originally posted by: TallyHo

Awesome topic QT

when we start thinking of the scale at which things happen in this universe...it overwhelms us...it fills us with anxiety, it makes us insecure thinking that we are such a negligible part of this whole massive operation...

I agree dear. I'll add that the miniscuous feeling dealt with positive attitude leads to humility, a great virtue in itself :) I am sure you agree and experience that feeling :)

our knowledge is still very limited...religion was created to soothe the anxities and pacify the imaptient curiosity of human beings...

as the human population increased it was interpreted in a thousand different ways...
and despite the religions the one question that the first human being would have wondered about still remains...

I still believe that there is this one big truth...we are still far from finding it...and to give ourselves the comfort we name Him as God..our father...( qwerty pls note 😛)

"SATYAM.. "- precisely!! TFS ashu :)

Originally posted by: chatbuster

and what created that natural dynamic? natural dynamic?😛
what created mother and father nature? mother and father nature?😛

heh! you stole my words there 😆😆

what created that small primordial soup of hot, densely packed particles which supposedly set off the big bang expansion? or did we get into this soup without a chef?😛
i think there is a super-smart efficient God. 😆within a broad framework, he has left us to our own devices, to reap as we shall sow. why should he be micromanaging every aspect of our lives when he can create humans with a will and let them run things for themselves. delegating responsibilties onto others makes life interesting for them. super intelligent beings are in any case lazy, or so i think. why should he work all the time when he can have some fun with his toys slogging it out and making total jackasses of themselves. works for me as a hypothesis, same as a lot of other things in science. explains for instance all the chaos and order which seemingly exists everywhere around us. explains also why so many people believe it is important to lead a good life. why bother if there are going to be no consequences in the life after, if we will anyway turn into nature's trash, both body and soul?
oh yes, scientific proofs and observations.😉 einstein's theory itself is perhaps the greatest example of an enormous exterpolation made solely on the basis of thought. there were no experimental results to guide the investigators. the theory of black holes, in particular, was developed before there was any indication from observations that they actually existed. the predictions of that theory are still being tested today.

nicely putting together as the SUPREME manager recruiting miniscuous us in the 'Karmic Life Inc" and giving us "perks and benefits" or "you are fired! - The wig style 😆

Originally posted by: sohn

Amazing topic indeed Subha Di (I'll call you this from now on, esp after getting your blessing in the prev post, thank you 😊)
🤗.. sounds sweet :)

I totally agree with Tally. We are far far away from the truth ..we have no clue what this whole thing is about I think. Sometimes I feel, its our limited senses, or its some 'thing' within us which we still havent figured out how to use to understand what is the whole truth about. Constraint on understanding, capabilities...everything I think.

I see myself ...like an ant on this planet. If I ever manage to communicate to her that she is a part of a town, then a city, then a country, then this world which again is a part of the solar system which is a part of galaxy...n so on, either she will jus laugh at me thinkin Im a whacko, or might just faint cus all this info would be too much for her! I think Im like her.. in this whole scheme of things. I've a long way to go before I understand it. I think we've just begun to question, ask 'WHY' for everything around us, or lets say started working towards it.

I do wonder about those sadhu's and monks who go on astral tours in the state of meditation. They say they know it all, but cant explain n that we need to go on the same path as they did, start from scratch and figure it out ourselves as they did someday. Maybe its all a hogwash or maybe we are just too rigid to give it a try.

On a completely different note... I had once questioned one of my profz, what does he think,...who started it all, who is controlling all of this? Is it god, some force? His answer set me thinking again. He said, we believe someone created it, we believe it might end somewhere cus we've been trained to think over ages, that there IS a beginning and there IS an end to everything! We cannot come out of that box cus its an extremely difficult thing to imagine, let alone believe or think about. And thats why we find the need to find a creator for everything around us, and we think that he/she creates n destroys it. Well...that was a difficult concept to digest but ...yh, its a thought.

Originally posted by: raj5000

omg Deja vuu, I was thinking on similar lines last night. Also 👏 Mithijalebi on similar thoughts.

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YES! There is something, supernatural force. Thats forces us to believe there is God. If it wasn't many predictors practising different *logies would be extinct.

Originally posted by: chatbuster

Originally posted by: mythili_Kiran

and that energy (shakthi) might be cosmic energy!However as elders say "Ekam Sat vipraha bahudah vadanthi" means the ultimate truth is one and wise call it in different names!

We try to find the who or what is that so called force or energy which omnipotent!!
Tat twam Asi (you are that only) ,means you are that Energy or Force or GOD! So each creation is divine and divinity is existent in every creature!!

The reason for imbalance and suffering is quite tough to understand....I don't know why some suffer more.. some suffer less and some donot suffer....If the resistance to the suffering is based on an individual... then who is GOD or the external force......😕 Do not Know!! (That I call karmic influence- yet another non-scientific theory I believe in)
Regards,
Mythili Kiran