Beyond religion/ science - Is their 1 - Page 4

Originally posted by: chatbuster

let's see what we get as rebuttal today.😆

"what chaos.. there is no chaos anywhere except where humans are".
and the point of that contradictory "what" and "except" is?😆 there is chaos? there is no chaos? there are not enough humans to make it non-chaotic? there are enough humans to make it chaotic?😛😆

"any entity, who cant desire, wish, do miracles (read go against established natural laws), who cant rollback once it triggers certain events and who doesnt have perception of right and the wrong, the good or the bad"
got to look at the totality of things. if you connect what i have later, would have explained why i think he leaves us to our own devices. should read in context.

"I think I might have some hand in it... since I had a dream of orchestrating the big bang..."
lemme know if we should laugh. since i have no idea what your point is😊 Are you saying the theory is wrong? or is it right?

"since the ability of humans to will is a product of evolution and learning from apes"
and the apes came from? "natural dynamic"😆 sure. sure. they just swung into action😆

"but one thing is sure its not about somebody celebrating holi there..."

lol. if i could stop laughing, i'd ask you how that rebuts any of the experimental science stuff and the fact that there were no observations guiding those folks, something that was supposedly the basis for how you form your beliefs last time we were doing this😛

yes good guessing "
more than what i can say for ... what do we call them, "statements of entertainment"?😉

Originally posted by: chatbuster

QWERT, what is the reason and source of energy resulting in these dynamic changes. Every reaction requires energy. You canot continue to call it natural dynamics. Tell us what the source is.

Bingo @ pillars of science CB.

Steroidal sources and methods of birth control were known to ancient Greek scientists, based on logical hypotheses they built (good for them😆).
The mechanism of action was not deciphered until mid 1980s!

Edited by mermaid_QT - 18 years ago

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

CB - blue
QWERT- black and deep blue

No source.. Whats the source of aids virus and where it came from? Its continual transform akin to mutation/evolution or other such changes.....😊

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

No source.. Whats the source of aids virus and where it came from? Its continual transform akin to mutation/evolution or other such changes.....😊

Originally posted by: GUARDIAN ANGEL

I would like to think there is just One suprembeing. This force is our oxygen and keeps us alive regardless of which country and ethnicity we belong. My dad used to tell me that there is a tree........ it has several branches yet all these branches has one root. I have always believed in this. It is us humans who diversity the supremebeing.

It reminds me John Lenon song.... Imagine.

Cheers 😛

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

The source of AIDS virus is a systematic design of infection, transduction and transcriptional activation induced by primitive DNA and capsids, the process of evolution driven at the border of the living and the non-living.But why does it appear now and not 100 years ago or even 1000 years ago?😉

& What is the source of mutation? Since you seem to have read, you must realize the complexity of the process by which mutations arise in DNA. The reason behind? The driving force behind? Thats the part of the natural process...just as evolution happens due to natural selection...there is something similar around it..

There is only one component of the "Natural dynamics" that is free of origin and destruction. That itself is the FORCE... Whatever you call doesnt matter as long as it doesnt have the characteristics I mentioned earlier...thats all I maintain.. (The ultimate TRUTH / God to some of us)

Sadly the concept of God always dwells in the unknown.. If you think yo know that God so well why cant you make some good predictions about the Gods behavior.?...😊

Tell me what your God can do..? I will tell what he cant do...😊.. the difference in these two is where the concept of God becomes irrelevant..

The God is only as powerful if he has will.. if he doesnt have will I really dont care what he can do since I would always know what he cant do...

Originally posted by: chatbuster

1. you were stopping previously with the apes and now with the dinosaurs.if you reflect for a moment you might get teh relevance...😊 i am questioning where it all came from, including your "natural dynamic". its more like a self-intiated perpetual motion dynamic which continually goes through some basic rules and axioms...nature usually refers to a certain way things happen. but why? Every why doesnt need to have an answer... if you want to push that God in that corner.. than thats exactly i have been maintaining as closed reasoning...😊why do they happen that way. why those universal laws, and not some other? that even strongly proves absence of God.. since the rules are rigid...😊if we keep going back to the "why" one would expect to unravel the "who"not necessarily...every why for which you might have an answer refutes the existence of that who...😊

2. einstein's general theory of relativity is one of the greatest creations of SPECULATIVE science. thats not a speculation.. thats a mathemtically arrived at proposition which was verified through several experiments...yes, there is such a term. most of what he came up with he did not have observations for. Mathematical truth need not be empirical...its propositional and deductive in nature...could not have, given the technology available then. the doppler red-shift phenomena you mentioned was explained much later by the theory.so...? there is also nothing we can do to see the presence of curved spacetime. no observations as such that directly validate all that conjecture. If math is conjecture to you... i think you should just roll a dice.. to find your God....😆just that the observations we do find today mesh with the predictions of that theory. if people did not know better, they'd find it all fantasy too.

in that context, even newton's theory of gravitation was found to deviate from reality. not for empirical phenomena... macro, micro are different in their behavior...einstein's theoy in fact explained deviations of th...e motion of the planet Mercury from the predictions of newton's theory. A macro phenomena.. still newtons law apply to all that humans do and can verify

my point- even the pillars on which science stands are not always proven fact. they often just range from hypothesis to incompletely validated theory.but still scientific deductions are not only more reliable... they also refute indirectly the existence of any supernatural force with any will whatsoever... If you agree that the God has no will and lacks all the features i mentioned earlier i think we are in agreement...

Tell me what your God can do..? I will tell what he cant do...😊.. the difference in these two is where the concept of God becomes irrelevant..

The God is only as powerful if he has will.. if he doesnt have will I really dont care what he can do since I would always know what he cant do...

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Tell me what your God can do..? I will tell what he cant do...😊.. the difference in these two is where the concept of God becomes irrelevant..

The God is only as powerful if he has will.. if he doesnt have will I really dont care what he can do since I would always know what he cant do...

would you mind telling us what God can't do...apart from not doing evil or immoral.........because I know very well what he can do. I see his creation all around me all the time. I would love to know what he can't do....according to you...apart from the two exceptions I noted above....immoral/evil😊

I think God is omnipotent. he can do anything he wants to...he just chooses not to do certain things...that does not mean he is not capable of doing them...he just chooses not to do them.😊