Beyond religion/ science - Is their 1 - Page 2

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

Is their one force?
Some may interpret it as God, some may not.

This is a topic hard to discuss due to sheer constraints on discussing religion.
Chaos and order, both seem to be essential in the ongoing process of universal natural activities. Stars are born and stars lose their light and turn into black holes. .. planets revolve around them and get disintegrated at some point of time. It is almost impossible not to believe in a force that must have created it all! This endless- undefined- awesome space-wonder!!
Milky way is not the biggest galaxy. Sun is a relatively smaller star in it and our Mother Earth - every human's direct connection to the force of nature - is quite miniscuous given the volume of sheer space..
We can not even measure it with the current level of our brain function and technology.

1. Now if ONE FORCE keeps such a massive space controlled and in harmony, why has it become so hard for us dwelling on miniscuous earth not to believe in that ONE FORCE?

2. If FORCE is just one, then it does come across as destructive as well as constructive.
Then is it just MASTER PLAN of the force - that we humans think differently, and seggregate ourselves based on that? I wonder why we have allowed ourselves to be guided by certain beliefs, more than our natural instincts.
In simple words, if FORCE is one, then variation of thought processes leading to CHAOS- is it part of the natural activity (we being pawns)?
Do you justify chaos, violence, anti-social activities ets as being part of the FORCE?

3. If you don't justify it, do you believe that only positive force is the good force? & What happens to balance in that case?

(I don't wish to make it religious, and let us keep the discussion suitable to persons of all age and maturity so that no one is hurt. These are obscure and random thoughts. Feel free to make them less chaotic)

Awesome topic QT

when we start thinking of the scale at which things happen in this universe...it overwhelms us...it fills us with anxiety, it makes us insecure thinking that we are such a negligible part of this whole massive operation...

our knowledge is still very limited...religion was created to soothe the anxities and pacify the imaptient curiosity of human beings...

as the human population increased it was interpreted in a thousand different ways...

and despite the religions the one question that the first human being would have wondered about still remains...

I still believe that there is this one big truth...we are still far from finding it...and to give ourselves the comfort we name Him as God..our father...( qwerty pls note 😛)

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Things exist due to natural dynamic... there is nobody running the show. now if yu wana call it god thats fine but there is nobody who knows you or has plans for you or any of us.....we are all unrelated enities... and I am sure its Father nature....😉

But if you wait for a few years more I could become a God too...😉

and what created that natural dynamic? natural dynamic?😛

what created mother and father nature? mother and father nature?😛

what created that small primordial soup of hot, densely packed particles which supposedly set off the big bang expansion? or did we get into this soup without a chef?😛

i think there is a super-smart efficient God. 😆within a broad framework, he has left us to our own devices, to reap as we shall sow. why should he be micromanaging every aspect of our lives when he can create humans with a will and let them run things for themselves. delegating responsibilties onto others makes life interesting for them. super intelligent beings are in any case lazy, or so i think. why should he work all the time when he can have some fun with his toys slogging it out and making total jackasses of themselves. works for me as a hypothesis, same as a lot of other things in science. explains for instance all the chaos and order which seemingly exists everywhere around us. explains also why so many people believe it is important to lead a good life. why bother if there are going to be no consequences in the life after, if we will anyway turn into nature's trash, both body and soul?

oh yes, scientific proofs and observations.😉 einstein's theory itself is perhaps the greatest example of an enormous exterpolation made solely on the basis of thought. there were no experimental results to guide the investigators. the theory of black holes, in particular, was developed before there was any indication from observations that they actually existed. the predictions of that theory are still being tested today.

Originally posted by: TallyHo

Awesome topic QT

when we start thinking of the scale at which things happen in this universe...it overwhelms us...it fills us with anxiety, it makes us insecure thinking that we are such a negligible part of this whole massive operation...

our knowledge is still very limited...religion was created to soothe the anxities and pacify the imaptient curiosity of human beings...

as the human population increased it was interpreted in a thousand different ways...

and despite the religions the one question that the first human being would have wondered about still remains...

I still believe that there is this one big truth...we are still far from finding it...and to give ourselves the comfort we name Him as God..our father...( qwerty pls note 😛)

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

Is their one force?
Some may interpret it as God, some may not.

This is a topic hard to discuss due to sheer constraints on discussing religion.
Chaos and order, both seem to be essential in the ongoing process of universal natural activities. Stars are born and stars lose their light and turn into black holes. .. planets revolve around them and get disintegrated at some point of time. It is almost impossible not to believe in a force that must have created it all! This endless- undefined- awesome space-wonder!!
Milky way is not the biggest galaxy. Sun is a relatively smaller star in it and our Mother Earth - every human's direct connection to the force of nature - is quite miniscuous given the volume of sheer space..
We can not even measure it with the current level of our brain function and technology.

1. Now if ONE FORCE keeps such a massive space controlled and in harmony, why has it become so hard for us dwelling on miniscuous earth not to believe in that ONE FORCE?

some people like to believe only in things they can scientifically validate; some are lost in the abstractness of it all; others find it fashionable and somehow pseudo-intellectual to disbelieve; others of course have their own reasons. there, covered everyone i hope😊

2. If FORCE is just one, then it does come across as destructive as well as constructive.
Then is it just MASTER PLAN of the force - that we humans think differently, and seggregate ourselves based on that? I wonder why we have allowed ourselves to be guided by certain beliefs, more than our natural instincts.
In simple words, if FORCE is one, then variation of thought processes leading to CHAOS- is it part of the natural activity (we being pawns)?
Do you justify chaos, violence, anti-social activities ets as being part of the FORCE?

yes. force is probably feedback. it lets things and people run their own course. no need for force to micromanage, no need to stop something from soaring as long as it is brought back to earth by the gravity that again force created; no need to stop those particles from jumping around or colliding as long as they dont get beyond certain confines. self-correcting mechanism, all of it set off by that force. even the universe has supposedly gone thru cycles of expansion and contraction, each stage triggered off when it got to one extreme like a pendulum.

3. If you don't justify it, do you believe that only positive force is the good force? & What happens to balance in that case?

(I don't wish to make it religious, and let us keep the discussion suitable to persons of all age and maturity so that no one is hurt. These are obscure and random thoughts. Feel free to make them less chaotic)

force is intelligent. has created a self-correcting feedback mechanism so that too much of one thing will lead to a reverse. like expansion of the universe. too much of it and it'll start on the contraction stage. good thing too else we will get to infinity.😊

Originally posted by: chatbuster

and what created that natural dynamic? natural dynamic?😛..any entity, who cant desire, wish, do miracles (read go against established natural laws), who cant rollback once it triggers certain events and who doesnt have perception of right and the wrong, the good or the bad...who cant make out the day from the night and who cant toss a coin or roll a dice to decide on anything...(This is inspired from death possibilities of hiranyakashyap...😆).... and frankly I dont know the anything else about this entity.......and if your God has same lack of traits.. I think we follow the same religion... 😊

what created mother and father nature? mother and father nature?😛... I think I might have some hand in it... since I had a dream of orchestrating the big bang... (now wait let me see, did I have a lot of dhokla, ganthia that day!!no its not that..😆)

what created that small primordial soup of hot, densely packed particles which supposedly set off the big bang expansion? or did we get into this soup without a chef?😛...possible evolution of matter in time...but no chef sitting there airing the show "jeena khazana."...😆

i think there is a super-smart efficient God. 😆within a broad framework, he has left us to our own devices, to reap as we shall sow. not likely if he can leave us to our devices he possibly has the ability to make illogical decisions and I think nature can be anything but illogicalwhy should he be micromanaging every aspect of our lives when he can create humans with a will and let them run things for themselves.since the ability of humans to will is a product of evolution and learning from apes...delegating responsibilties onto others makes life interesting for them. super intelligent beings are in any case lazy, or so i think. why should he work all the time when he can have some fun with his toys slogging it out and making total jackasses of themselves. works for me as a hypothesis, yes good guessing same as a lot of other things in science. explains for instance all the chaos and order which seemingly exists everywhere around us.what chaos.. there is no chaos anywhere except where humans are explains also why so many people believe it is important to lead a good life.since the fear of the unknown is ingrained and perfect sicentific explanations for most explicable phenomena is out of their reach... why bother if there are going to be no consequences in the life after dont mix and incidents...you can neither come in this world by your will, if we will anyway turn into nature's trash, both body and soul?
• oh yes, scientific proofs and observations.😉 einstein's theory itself is perhaps the greatest example of an enormous exterpolation made solely on the basis of thought.absolutely there were no experimental results to guide the investigators. the theory of black holes,there are astronomical studies have studied white dwarfs, red giants and traced a life-cycle of stars through proper mathematical predictions...and various technics including doppler shift etc...so also the theory of expanding universe... but one thing is sure its not about somebody celebrating holi there...😉 in particular, was developed before there was any indication from observations that they actually existed. the predictions of that theory are still being tested today.

Is their one force?
Some may interpret it as God, some may not.

This is a topic hard to discuss due to sheer constraints on discussing religion.

As I said in my earlier post I beleive in a superior force which is the reason behind my existence and my surroundings! I beleive in the concept "Sarvam Shakthi Mayam Jagat" and that energy (shakthi) might be cosmic energy!However as elders say "Ekam Sat vipraha bahudah vadanthi" means the ultimate truth is one and wise call it in different names! Some call it call GOD,Some call it Mother nature ! I don;t think it has any particular form and I feel it can take any form and it resides in all of us and in all the living and non living objects! Ok! The basic idea of living and non living is pretty confusing! What is living and what is non living?? Then what is that seperates some so called non living thing to so called living thing????

We try to find the who or what is that so called force or energy which omnipotent!! hinduism has a concept which defines what is not GOD (neti neti....not this not this) and then we have a concept which arrives to a conclusion Tat twam Asi (you are that only) ,means you are that Energy or Force or GOD! So each creation is divine and divinity is existent in every creature!!

The reason for imbalance and suffering is quite tough to understand....I don't know why some suffer more.. some suffer less and some donot suffer....If the resistance to the suffering is based on an individual... then who is GOD or the external force......😕

Donot Know!!

Regards,

Mythili Kiran

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

let's see what we get as rebuttal today.😆

"what chaos.. there is no chaos anywhere except where humans are".

and the point of that contradictory "what" and "except" is?😆 there is chaos? there is no chaos? there are not enough humans to make it non-chaotic? there are enough humans to make it chaotic?😛😆

"any entity, who cant desire, wish, do miracles (read go against established natural laws), who cant rollback once it triggers certain events and who doesnt have perception of right and the wrong, the good or the bad"

got to look at the totality of things. if you connect what i have later, would have explained why i think he leaves us to our own devices. should read in context.

"I think I might have some hand in it... since I had a dream of orchestrating the big bang..."

lemme know if we should laugh. since i have no idea what your point is😊 Are you saying the theory is wrong? or is it right?

"since the ability of humans to will is a product of evolution and learning from apes"

and the apes came from? "natural dynamic"😆 sure. sure. they just swung into action😆

"but one thing is sure its not about somebody celebrating holi there..."

lol. if i could stop laughing, i'd ask you how that rebuts any of the experimental science stuff and the fact that there were no observations guiding those folks, something that was supposedly the basis for how you form your beliefs last time we were doing this😛

"now wait let me see, did I have a lot of dhokla, ganthia that day!!no its not that.."

lol. i am sure this will be seen as funny😊 Not sure however how your diet would be relevant here😊

"yes good guessing "

more than what i can say for ... what do we call them, "statements of entertainment"?😉

Originally posted by: chatbuster

let's see what we get as rebuttal today.😆

"what chaos.. there is no chaos anywhere except where humans are".

and the point of that contradictory "what" and "except" is?😆 there is chaos? there is no chaos? there are not enough humans to make it non-chaotic? there are enough humans to make it chaotic?😛😆...Humans create confusion.. not chaos (as used in case of universe) there is no order when humans do it..

"any entity, who cant desire, wish, do miracles (read go against established natural laws), who cant rollback once it triggers certain events and who doesnt have perception of right and the wrong, the good or the bad"

got to look at the totality of things. if you connect what i have later, would have explained why i think he leaves us to our own devices. should read in context. what u mean leave us to our own devices.. is that an act of delegation or dereliction according to this God theory of yours...😆

"I think I might have some hand in it... since I had a dream of orchestrating the big bang..."

lemme know if we should laugh. since i have no idea what your point is😊 Are you saying the theory is wrong? or is it right? Its better to laugh here since thats the only time you get

"since the ability of humans to will is a product of evolution and learning from apes"

and the apes came from? "natural dynamic"😆 sure. sure. they just swung into action😆... Its like the theory of dinasaurs... there is no way for the super power to get them back.. now if you understand.. Aids virus wasnt there until 80's where did those viruses come from?...right...

"but one thing is sure its not about somebody celebrating holi there..."

lol. if i could stop laughing, i'd ask you how that rebuts any of the experimental science stuff and the fact that there were no observations guiding those folks, something that was supposedly the basis for how you form your beliefs last time we were doing this😛Doppler shift and predicted behavoir is no obsevation!!!??? waht are you talking about?

"yes good guessing "

more than what i can say for ... what do we call them, "statements of entertainment"?😉