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Ananya

@Mahisa_22

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Posted: 17 years ago

#51

I am all for conversion- as long as it's me who's converting others.😉 I really do not trust anyone else to do it right 😛😆

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SholaJoBhadkey

@SholaJoBhadkey

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Posted: 17 years ago

#52

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

dekho na, aap key dost bhi aap ko kya kya naheen "convert" ker detey😆 aur ek aap hain - baap hee convert ker diya😆 issey kehtey hain Mother of all Conversions 🤣

Seriously, I agree on first thing being survival. Rest all comes later....per inhey survival ki kahan chinta thhee....😆 oh well, some decisions are very personal for each and every one of us irrespective of the reasons we may have for making those decisions. Some influence, whether from the people we know or from missionaries etc is usually involved but the decision ultimately lies with the one who converts. Since we were discussing religious conversions, I thought about posting it here.........read on......

Michael Jackson has converted to Islam:

21 Nov 2008, 1911 hrs IST, PTI

Michael Jackson has converted to Islam: Report

21 Nov 2008, 1911 hrs IST, PTI

The singer, who rarely ventures out without a mask, is due to give evidence on Monday in a 4.7 million pound lawsuit brought by Prince Abdulla Al-Khalif of Bahrain for defaulting on an exclusive recording contract. Does this have anything to do with the conversion??? One does wonder😉😆

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Michael_Jackson_has_converted_to_Islam_

Report/articleshow/3740517.cms

Edited by SholaJoBhadkey - 17 years ago

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200467

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Posted: 17 years ago

#53

Originally posted by: SholaJoBhadkey

Michael Jackson has converted to Islam:

21 Nov 2008, 1911 hrs IST, PTI

Michael Jackson has converted to Islam: Report

21 Nov 2008, 1911 hrs IST, PTI

The singer, who rarely ventures out without a mask, is due to give evidence on Monday in a 4.7 million pound lawsuit brought by Prince Abdulla Al-Khalif of Bahrain for defaulting on an exclusive recording contract. Does this have anything to do with the conversion??? One does wonder😉😆

The same thought crossed my mind😆 and here we were finding faults in missionaries to incite durt poor people with freebies or other such materialistic stuff.

Another thought that crossed my mind related to MJ's awareness of Islam. Kaheen woh yeh toh naheen soch raha bandey bhi burka pehntey hain😉 given his attire choice😆 socha convert ho jao, ek teer sey lagey haath doh doh shikaar😆

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SholaJoBhadkey

@SholaJoBhadkey

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Posted: 17 years ago

#54

Originally posted by: Gauri_3
The same thought crossed my mind😆 and here we were finding faults in missionaries to incite durt poor people with freebies or other such materialistic stuff.

Another thought that crossed my mind related to MJ's awareness of Islam. Kaheen woh yeh toh naheen soch raha bandey bhi burka pehntey hain😉 given his attire choice😆 socha convert ho jao, ek teer sey lagey haath doh doh shikaar😆

You won't believe it, but he has already done that. 😆😆😆

Jackson Dons Women's Garb In Bahrain

Hides Face Behind Veil, Wears Abaya Robe In Visit To Shopping Mall

MANAMA, Bahrain, Jan. 25, 2006

Michael Jackson, center, wearing a traditional Arabic women's veil and all-covering gown called an abaya, holds the hand of one of his children, also veiled, as they walk toward his car, Jan. 25, 2006, behind a Manama, Bahrain, shopping mall. (AP)

(AP) Pop star Michael Jackson was spotted shopping in a Bahrain mall on Wednesday, hiding his face behind a veil and donning a black robe traditionally worn by women in the Gulf.

He was with three children, apparently his own, who also had their faces covered by dark scarves. An unidentified woman accompanied them.

The pop star, who seems to be settling in the Persian Gulf, was seen leaving Marina Mall in the Bahrain capital, holding a child by the hand. On the way out a back door, he shook hands with security guards.

The woman — also dressed in the black robe called an abaya, jeans and a scarf that partially covered her face — had the two other children. All three children were wrapped in black scarves and wore yellow shirts and sweatpants or khakis without robes.

Since his June acquittal on child molestation charges in California, Jackson has made several trips to Bahrain as a guest of Sheik Abdullah bin Hamad Al Khalifa, the son of Bahrain's king. He reportedly was negotiating a position as a consultant with a Bahrain-based company that plans to set up theme parks and music academies in the Middle East.

On the mall outing, Jackson wore an abaya, pants, a white shirt and men's shoes. His head and face were wrapped in a black veil and he also wore black gloves.

The veil, abaya and gloves were of a style typically worn by conservative Bahraini women.

The woman asked photographers to respect their privacy and told them they were scaring the children before they left in a white car with darkened windows.

https://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/25/entertainment/main1236488.shtml

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200467

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Posted: 17 years ago

#55

^^^^ aaj kal guesses bhi kitney sateek lagtey hain😆 kaheen sey bhi koi bhee teer chhodo, seedha nishaney per jaa ker lagta hai😉😆 I never saw this pic of him but I am not surprised. I knew burka and naqaab were the main reasons - baki sab secondary😆

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AreYaar

@AreYaar

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Posted: 17 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: return_to_hades
If people want to convert and be converted, that is their prerogative. As long as no one is forced into it. To me it just makes no sense.

To me faith is something very personal and unique to each individual. Religion is merely a half baked attempt to classify, label and organize something that is so subjective and relative to each individual.

Ultimately, what you believe is what you believe. Whatever label you choose to officially take or discard will never change what you intrinsically believe in. There also is no point in rigidly defining ones faith because it is always evolving. Life teaches us moral lessons which in turn gradually evolves what we believe in.

The thing is if John Doe was born into 'X' religion but now believes in 'Y'. What John Doe believes is what John Doe believes....whether he officially embraces 'Y' or not.

Religious conversion is jut nonsense to me. Lets keep conversion to useful things like units of measure and currency.

Well said!👏 I agree!

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Ananya

@Mahisa_22

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Posted: 17 years ago

#57

Originally posted by: nureat01

Well said!👏 I agree!

Just that labels do matter. 😊If you wore the Star of David, you'd get shipped out to the concentration camps by the Gestapo for special treatment, no matter what you believed deep down. More generally, labels affect our experiences (thru how others perceive us). Those experiences in turn have the potential to shape/ change our intrinsic beliefs. Nothing is quite static😊

Edited by doggiedawg - 17 years ago

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Michelle

@shellytt

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Posted: 17 years ago

#58

Religion and politics are two things I rarely comment on, but I am complelled to voice an opinion here.

the question at hand here is whether or not coversion to another religion is right, especially when impressed upon you by someone.

I live in a mutli religious society where Christianity, Islam and Hinduism are the most prominant religions. I respect everyone's right to worship as they see fit.

The only experience I must say I have had with conversion is that of Christian missionaries informing of their religion as an alternative to my own. This is common practice, as these missionaries go from house to house to preach. Now generally I have no prob;em with this. They see it as their duty to spread the word of their religion, to those who do not fully understand, my problem arises when you respectfully say that you are not interested in changing and they still force upon you the reading materials or they continue to press for a little more time to explain thier positions.

Now I have a very strong belief and faith in my religion and am proud of my "label" of a Hindu, therefore I don't believe that I can and ever will be converted. As I said before I have great respect to persons of different religious backgrounds, however that respect must be mutual. I take is as an insult and offense when those with little or no knowledge of my religion assume that they have the moral authority to tell me that what I believe is wrong.

However, oftentime those who have been converted now denounce totally as frivilous and sacreligious, the practices of hindusim. I do not know if this is due to the teachings of the Church or not but my belief of a universal God is one, who establishes a rule of love, tolerance, forgiveness and understanding. If that is taken to be true that critisism of another's belief is wrong.

I understand the need to convert, if the person feels that this new religion is really what they actually believe and this is the way in which they can reach God. If they accept the religion as their faith, then so be it. At the end of the day, we all wish to pray to God, be him in the form of Christ, Allah, or Shri Raam.

Another religion should NEVER be forced on another regardless of the circumstances. Acceptance of any religion is a personal choice, however all must be mindful to show due respect to the beliefs of others. regardless of what they may be.

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return_to_hades

@return_to_hades

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Posted: 17 years ago

#59

Originally posted by: doggiedawg

Just that labels do matter. 😊If you wore the Star of David, you'd get shipped out to the concentration camps by the Gestapo for special treatment, no matter what you believed deep down. More generally, labels affect our experiences (thru how others perceive us). Those experiences in turn have the potential to shape/ change our intrinsic beliefs. Nothing is quite static😊

Labels matter, but only to those people who think books ought to be judged only by the cover. Such people would drink sewage like it was fine wine if you packaged it as such.

But I would not thoroughly disregard labels completely, because yes people do judge us and treat us based on labels slapped on us. Not just religious, but social, economic, cultural and colloquial. You could not find an elementary school lunch room without complex labeling system. Yet that does not deny how ridiculously flawed the idea of labels is and how they make us err in judgment.

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366774

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Posted: 17 years ago

#60

We have seen how fast the missionaries have grown in India. They provide the best schools and charities and orphanages but the underlining is also propagates Christianity. Recently these conversions in some cities of Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka have aggravated people and they informed police. We have read about how poor in North East and Central India were influenced wit money and TV sets to convert.

My questions are

1.Should religious conversions be banned in India?

they cannot be banned at once but yes if they spread their religion through exploitation then they shud be banned.

2. What is a forced conversion?

wen ppl take advantage of ur helplessness n offer to help you just to convert any individual into their religion is a forced conversion.

3. Is providing money and TV sets and basic needs and influencing people to convert a forced conversion?

not really.all dont get into it they provide ppl with basic needs just to make them realize tht they are kind n soft hearted and their religion teaches so n thts how they slowly inject their views n trap them so easily tht they leave no option except conversion.

4. Orphanages run by missionaries convert every inmate to Christianity. Is it right?

well thts a wrong perception i dont really think so.

5. Govt. is planning to make religious reference compulsory in class 10th because some are converting to get job through reservation while applying to professional courses. What is your take on it?

well for this all i can say is just tht it is like some one is for sale n if some is sold he is no more human regarding government policy i find Government shud have taken this step long back.i welcome this decision.

Edited by hira** - 17 years ago