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Posted: 17 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: Nupur9

Exatly Gauri ...The question is whether it's right or wrong.......
And I say it's wrong for the same reason you mentioned....converting poor people for Material gains.
It's almost the same premise as Forced conversion where you convert do to save your life....except there is no force...but there is still gain!!

No, it's not the same premise at all. There's no fear or intimidation involved.
Did you read the posts I made yesterday? I made my case there.
Anyways, I don't think missionaries are at fault here based on the reasons I already presented. As far as the claim "being born with religious beliefs and one should die with those same beliefs", we addressed those concerns as well.
Converting may not be acceptable for you and me but if someone is promising a better life and ather person is putting faith in that promise because they have no other way out of misery they live in and their present religious beliefs don't mean a thing to them then I don't think any wrongdoing took place here.
Think about it - many people convert just to marry the person they love because it's mandated in their lover's religion. Would you accuse the lover or the person converting of wrongdoing here then? After all, there is a gain associated with this conversion as well.
Jab miya biwi raazi toh kya karega kaazi - intended both literally and figuratively😆 Looks like today is my "muhawara special" day😆
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Posted: 17 years ago
#42
Aur bhi gham hain zamaney mein voluntary conversions key sivay. We have same religion people brainwashing millions to spread terror, fight in the name of religion, beat up others who deviate from utmost conservative interpretation of religion and here we are - worrying about those who are promising a better life or those who are aiming to get some value out of non-violent peaceful conversion. It's their faith. Should they not decide themselves what they want - to convert or not to convert? Afterall, even you believe that religion is a personal matter. Then why don't we lwave the decision to practice/not practice or change one's religion on that person only?
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Posted: 17 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

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Converting may not be acceptable for you and me but if someone is promising a better life and ather person is putting faith in that promise because they have no other way out of misery they live in and their present religious beliefs don't mean a thing to them then I don't think any wrongdoing took place here.



Yeah, that I agree with...I have cousins that converted to Christianity....they are much nicer and happier now😆 I think its fine for people who are seeking to convert of their own free will...I just don't want people standing in front of my university trying to pass out bibles....that annoys me! Its better for someone to practice a faith they truly believe in and not fake the faith they were born with....
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Posted: 17 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: Golden iron

Wah kya topic hai Maya Memsaab ka

Now for conversion....sometimes changes are required...like a kid does not approve his name...may change it, Does not like home town so changes place of residence for study/job etc. Change is part of life. Yet few things are with us by default. Yes when we are born, we are just a living being happen to be a part of a family. Now that family is our identity...as we cannot choose our parents, same way we cannot choose our identity. The culture that we see in our family is the tradition to be followed.
Although people are seen who may change their parents even...may be circumstances...If I am starving with my family, may be I will praise your God to just get some money...who knows as Khali peth bhajan na hott Gopala (Empty stomach, you cannot say prayers)
But for me Conversion is a nono...child is brought up some values and belief since birth and if he cannot hold on to them,,,goes to convert himself to another region because some one brain stromed him...then that person is a big time looser.
my 2 cents ...aab shayad teacher ji danda lekar hamla karne walli hain is nanhi si Loha jaaan pur 😕😆😆

Loha ji, aap to hamarey chahney waalon mein se ho. Aap ko to pyaar se maarengey! 😉😆
Calling someone who chooses to change his/her religion of his/her own free will a loser is a tad harsh, me thinks. It's like both my parents are doctors, so was my grandfather and so are my siblings; but I'd rather be a teacher. Namakool, nalayak, khandaan ke naam per dhabba, maa baap ki izzat mitti mein mila di, naak kata di 😉😆 Also, aren't we brainwashed by our families, the people around us, our friends etc to follow a particular set of religious beliefs??? Apna apna nazariya hai 😛 The world would be a nicer place if people focussed on whether the kids are good human beings, not on which religion they want to follow, if they want to follow one in the first place!
See, that didn't hurt, did it???😆
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Posted: 17 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: apux



Yeah, that I agree with...I have cousins that converted to Christianity....they are much nicer and happier now😆 I think its fine for people who are seeking to convert of their own free will...I just don't want people standing in front of my university trying to pass out bibles....that annoys me! Its better for someone to practice a faith they truly believe in and not fake the faith they were born with....

At the end of the day, you have the option of saying "stuff it", so why let it annoy you??? Or return the favour - that would keep them away 😆😆
You know what is more annoying? People of your own religion trying to proselytize because they think you are not doing a good enough job!!! 🤔😆😆
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Posted: 17 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: SholaJoBhadkey

Loha ji, aap to hamarey chahney waalon mein se ho. Aap ko to pyaar se maarengey! 😉😆
Calling someone who chooses to change his/her religion of his/her own free will a loser is a tad harsh, me thinks. It's like both my parents are doctors, so was my grandfather and so are my siblings; but I'd rather be a teacher. Namakool, nalayak, khandaan ke naam per dhabba, maa baap ki izzat mitti mein mila di, naak kata di 😉😆 Also, aren't we brainwashed by our families, the people around us, our friends etc to follow a particular set of religious beliefs??? Apna apna nazariya hai 😛 The world would be a nicer place if people focussed on whether the kids are good human beings, not on which religion they want to follow, if they want to follow one in the first place!
See, that didn't hurt, did it???😆

PHewwww...what a relief 😆
Pyar ki marr to hamesha kabool hai
Sorry Gauri..as usual i jumped to comclusion...aadat se majboor...waisse I just noticed, my status is groupie now...so congo shongo to me 😆
SJB..agree that we get brainwashed to some extent but no matter what we decide, family will assisit you. I also broke my parents heart by not going for medical and opting for eng. But they still supported and paid for my education. Where as conversion gets you money only if you accept it. If a religion is so great over others, why should it bribe you.???? Let everyone have insight. Buddhism was spread all over china although started in India (Nepal) But it was via monks. See as per history all religion did have a start point and were gradually accepted. Who knows what religion our forfathers had. During Aurangzeb ruling a huge population moved towards south and extreme Borth from central part, but now they all have their own culture. Adaptation is widely accepted, but changing it on some one's saying is wrong.
Tp preach of your religion is ok as everyone believes in their God, but to declare one is superior then other and proving it via bribing is wrong.
I am a follower of Sanathan Dharma, but how can I decide that My Lord Shiva is superior that Lord Jesus. Since we are cultivated wiht our religion so we consider it the best. If I have to prove that mine is superior then there should not be any compensation. One should prove it and selling your belief and religion, not a good idea. God is GOd. Not a commodity for sale :-)
I hope this time I got the debate topic right 😉......so as per me, even though missionary are not threatning you, yet they do play with your emotions and belief....so STAY AWAY from them...remember the God is our belief. Ultimate teaching of God is to respect all living creature and respect each other.
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Posted: 17 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: Golden iron

PHewwww...what a relief 😆
Pyar ki marr to hamesha kabool hai
Sorry Gauri..as usual i jumped to comclusion...aadat se majboor...waisse I just noticed, my status is groupie now...so congo shongo to me 😆
SJB..agree that we get brainwashed to some extent but no matter what we decide, family will assisit you. I also broke my parents heart by not going for medical and opting for eng. But they still supported and paid for my education. Where as conversion gets you money only if you accept it. If a religion is so great over others, why should it bribe you.???? I agree with you on all the points about forced conversion, but human being by nature is weak aur jab pet mein roti nahin aur tan per kapda nahin to Bhagwan/Allah/Jesus ko insaan sab se pehle bhoolta hai. At that point his last thought will be "what do I address the Almighty as today." Let everyone have insight. Buddhism was spread all over china although started in India (Nepal) But it was via monks. See as per history all religion did have a start point and were gradually accepted. Who knows what religion our forfathers had. During Aurangzeb ruling a huge population moved towards south and extreme Borth from central part, but now they all have their own culture. Adaptation is widely accepted, but changing it on some one's saying is wrong.
Tp preach of your religion is ok as everyone believes in their God, but to declare one is superior then other and proving it via bribing is wrong. Completely with you on this. I do not believe in superiority of one religion over another, nor do I think that any religion's supremacy can be exhibited by numbers. All I am saying is that usually a person has solid enough reasons to change - whether it is hunger, love or disillusionment with one's own religion. These are moments of weakness and the missionaries use them to their advantage. Inn sholon ko bus chingari ki zaroorat hoti hai 😉
I am a follower of Sanathan Dharma, but how can I decide that My Lord Shiva is superior that Lord Jesus. Since we are cultivated wiht our religion so we consider it the best. If I have to prove that mine is superior then there should not be any compensation. One should prove it and selling your belief and religion, not a good idea. God is GOd. Not a commodity for sale :-)
I hope this time I got the debate topic right 😉......so as per me, even though missionary are not threatning you, yet they do play with your emotions and belief....so STAY AWAY from them...remember the God is our belief. Ultimate teaching of God is to respect all living creature and respect each other.

Loha ji, humari behas ka mudda tha "being born into a religion and dying in it". Baki, hum aapki jirah se ittefaq rakhtey hain - aap to hamarey "langde dinon" ke saathi ho 😆😆
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Yeh lo, ek nai banay nainsukh aoor doosre nai langda 😆
Aoor phir khud garmi main vacationing le ker langde ka lutf bhi uthaya 😡😆
tab bhi yaad kiya tha yeah nahi 😉
Any way...ofcourse first thing is survival. Musibat main to gaddhe ko bhi baap banana padta hai.😆
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Posted: 17 years ago
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If people want to convert and be converted, that is their prerogative. As long as no one is forced into it. To me it just makes no sense.

To me faith is something very personal and unique to each individual. Religion is merely a half baked attempt to classify, label and organize something that is so subjective and relative to each individual.

Ultimately, what you believe is what you believe. Whatever label you choose to officially take or discard will never change what you intrinsically believe in. There also is no point in rigidly defining ones faith because it is always evolving. Life teaches us moral lessons which in turn gradually evolves what we believe in.

The thing is if John Doe was born into 'X' religion but now believes in 'Y'. What John Doe believes is what John Doe believes....whether he officially embraces 'Y' or not.

Religious conversion is jut nonsense to me. Lets keep conversion to useful things like units of measure and currency.


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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Golden iron

Yeh lo, ek nai banay nainsukh aoor doosre nai langda 😆 ...........................

Any way...ofcourse first thing is survival. Musibat main to gaddhe ko bhi baap banana padta hai.😆

dekho na, aap key dost bhi aap ko kya kya naheen "convert" ker detey😆 aur ek aap hain - baap hee convert ker diya😆
Seriously, I agree on first thing being survival. Rest all comes later....per inhey survival ki kahan chinta thhee....😆 oh well, some decisions are very personal for each and every one of us irrespective of the reasons we may have for making those decisions. Some influence, whether from the people we know or from missionaries etc is usually involved but the decision ultimately lies with the one who converts. Since we were discussing religious conversions, I thought about posting it here.........read on......
Michael Jackson has converted to Islam:
21 Nov 2008, 1911 hrs IST, PTI
Michael Jackson has converted to Islam: Report
21 Nov 2008, 1911 hrs IST, PTI
LONDON: Pop singer Michael Jackson has converted to Islam and changed his name to Mikaeel.


The 50-year-old star, pledged his allegiance to the Koran in a ceremony at a friend's mansion in Los Angeles, the Sun reported.

Jackson sat on the floor wearing a tiny hat after an Imam was summoned to officiate -- days before the singer is due to appear at London's High Court where he is being sued by an Arab Sheik, the paper said.

The star decided to adopt the new religion while he was recording a song at the home of his friend where a Jehovah's witness was brought up to help him through the ceremony.

Apparently the star of hits like 'the Way You Make Me Feel-was convinced by his producer and songwriter friends David Wharnsby and Phillip Bubal.

"They began talking to him about their beliefs, and how they thought they had become better people after they converted. Michael soon began warming to the idea.

"An Imam was summoned from the mosque and Michael went through the shahada, which is the Muslim declaration of belief," the source revealed.

Mikaeel is the name of one of Allah's angels. "Jacko rejected an alternative name, Mustafa meaning "the chosen one", the source added.

The singer, who rarely ventures out without a mask, is due to give evidence on Monday in a 4.7 million pound lawsuit brought by Prince Abdulla Al-Khalif of Bahrain for defaulting on an exclusive recording contract.
Report/articleshow/3740517.cms
Edited by Gauri_3 - 17 years ago

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