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Non binary, gender fluid, pan demi Omni sexual, Trans age - yeah, a 50yo man identifies as a little girl and wants to enroll in a school to “play” with children his age
Originally posted by: MostlyHarmIess
There are bad faith actors in every community. Using those individual examples that often have no basis in statistics, to argue for offing an entire community is a choice. It's like saying, some women misuse dowry laws. So I don't support women. ☢️
It’s not individual examples - there are scores of it. The brand of T-ism that is being shoved down currently is only gonna do more harm.
I support trans women like Blair White (MTF). There are more like her who are disassociating from this new ideology.
There are gay groups who are disassociating themselves from this current T-ism.
Just read up on the drugs that is used to “delay” puberty in preteens . It is used for chemical castration of sexual assaulters/rapists.
Women athletes are speaking up against it - women who devoted years of their life in training for a sport are being cast aside in favor of a man with their man parts still intact who suddenly “identifies” as a female and is breaking female records.
This is a very deep rooted problem - the current Tism. And is being heavily pushed by pharmaceutical industries to make money.
there are detransitioners who will tell you how much each child can be milked for by getting them do these surgeries.
gender dysphoria is a real mental illness that needs professional help. 1st step is counseling (and a good no of kids/adults benefit from it). But now the counseling step has been skipped completely and kids can directly be put on “hormones”- parental consent not even needed.
An 11 yo wont be allowed to watch an a rated movie but can go to a clinic and get these chemicals inserted in them.
I support LGB and I, rest all need help - help which has now been commercialized to make money.
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I think you may have a narrow understanding of Q.
Q has historically stood for queer or questioning. In the past decade, it has become widely associated with nonbinary and gender-fluid folks. But historically, it has just been an umbrella term for anyone who doesn't identify as heterosexual.
A lot of folks who may have had one or two same-sex attractions or relationships sometimes prefer queer over gay, lesbian, or bisexual. Asexual or aromantic folks who aren't heterosexual often identify as queer. Demisexual folks or similar who need an intellectual or emotional connection before forming attractions tend to align with queer over heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual. I personally have always preferred queer over bisexual because queer just feels more fluid versus other terms which feel so rigid.
Questioning folks also typically follow under the queer umbrella as they're still trying to figure out their own identity. Some questioning folks may eventually end up identifying as straight.
Just clarifying because queer is much broader, and having some narrow definitions may cause you to be unfairly prejudiced to someone who identifies as queer.
There is no such thing as trans-age. Time and age are linear. Stop making up exaggerations to foment the masses. A 50-year-old may have a developmental disability that may give them the mental acuity of a five-year-old. But they are still a 50-year-old with developmental disability and not a five-year-old.
Not going to bother addressing your opinions about transgender folks because I don't think there is anything I can do that can change minds.
Originally posted by: return_to_hades
I think you may have a narrow understanding of Q.
Q has historically stood for queer or questioning.
Stop making up exaggerations to foment the masses. A 50-year-old may have a developmental disability that may give them the mental acuity of a five-year-old. But they are still a 50-year-old with developmental disability and not a five-year-old.Not going to bother addressing your opinions about transgender folks because I don't think there is anything I can do that can change minds.
My beef with this is with the current ideology not with what it stood for historically.
The trans age is what currently falls in Q+. And it’s one example. I have written many in my other posts.
Reiterating I am strictly against the current brand if Tism. I have an issue with this current brand where kids are being targeted. Kids as young as 4.
children should be kept away from chemical drugs and surgeries. A child getting “top” surgery without parental consent is not okay. It will never be. Label me a phobe. (also giving cute names to mastectomy for FTM and chemical castration drugs and administering them to children doesnt make the entire thing okay and pretty).
Men who still have male genetalia don’t belong in women spaces. In their sports or their bathrooms x
an adult, in their rational mind, transitions - I am all for it. Just coz I have problems with the likes of lia Thomas and cece tefler and Dylan mulvaney doesn’t mean I am against a Blair white or even Caitlyn Jenner.
But anyone who voices a slightly different opinion against this current Tism is automatically labeled a phobe or accused of exaggerating.
Just read up on the drugs that is used to “delay” puberty in preteens. It is used for chemical castration of sexual assaulters/rapists.
This is factually incorrect and appears to be from disreputable sources that intend to cause alarm.
Puberty blockers are typically
- histrelin acetate that is implanted in the skin and lasts a year
- leuprolide acetate which is a shot that lasts only 1-4 months
All these do is block testosterone and estrogen from creating puberty-related changes. When stopped puberty kicks in immediately.
Chemical castration drugs are totally different.
- Diethylstilbestrol lowers testosterone in adultmen
- benperidol decreases libido
- MPA and DMPA have been administered to reduce libido but they are also in birth control, menopause therapy, treatment of endometriosis, and even some types of cancer.
I recommend referring to Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic, or NSF papers for accurate information on everything related to sexual health.
Originally posted by: return_to_hades
There is no such thing as trans age. Stop forcing your warped perceptions on the LGBTQ+ community.
here's the rest 99% of my reply that you missed.
I have an issue with this current brand where kids are being targeted. Kids as young as 4.
children should be kept away from chemical drugs and surgeries. A child getting “top” surgery without parental consent is not okay. It will never be. Label me a phobe. (also giving cute names to mastectomy for FTM and chemical castration drugs and administering them to children doesnt make the entire thing okay and pretty).
Men who still have male genetalia don’t belong in women spaces. In their sports or their bathrooms x
An adult, in their rational mind, transitions - I am all for it. Just coz I have problems with the likes of lia Thomas and cece tefler and Dylan mulvaney doesn’t mean I am against a Blair white or even Caitlyn Jenner.
But anyone who voices a different opinion against this current Tism is automatically labeled a phobe or accused of exaggerating.
children should be kept away from chemical drugs and surgeries.
A child gets into an accident and breaks their bones. They should be denied pain medication and surgery to mend their broken bones?
A child getting “top” surgery without parental consent is not okay. It will never be.
1. Gender-affirming treatment is not given without parental consent.
2. Children cannot get top surgery. I mean, you literally cannot remove breasts that do not exist. Only someone who has gone through puberty fully has breasts.
I think there are exceptions. Gynecomastia is a procedure, where cisgender men need to have surgery to remove enlarged breasts.
Men who still have male genetalia don’t belong in women spaces. In their sports or their bathrooms
I think this is something we all need to have a rational discussion about.
I agree that intact men need to be prohibited from some female spaces like public restrooms, changing rooms, women's prisons, etc. But at the same time, transwomen are most likely to face sexual violence and assault. So we need to address
- if a transfemale is underage and unable to obtain surgery what spaces should she choose? Will she be safe in a male space?
- if a transwoman cannot afford corrective surgery or is still saving up for it, what spaces should she choose? Will she be safe in a male space?
Since men tend to be stronger and faster, I think it is reasonable to question the fairness of transwomen in female sports. Most sports associations are grappling with their own rules. IOC used to require surgical transition but now only has hormonal limits. Hormonal limits do affect cisgender women like Caster Semenya and Duttee Chand who naturally produce more testosterone than other women and have to take testosterone blockers to participate.
- Should we revert to requiring surgical transition as well? What happens to athletes who are too young or cannot afford surgery? What category should they participate in.
- Should all athletes including cisgender athletes be subject to hormonal limits?
- What about genetic anomalies that allow for competitive edges? Michael Phelps produces an unusually low amount of lactic acid which means his muscles don't tire as fast as the normal person. He also has disproportionately longer limbs and flexible joints.
- What about transmale athletes like Mack Beggs who asked to compete in male leagues but were forced to compete in female leagues where he had the advantage of higher testosterone levels and obliterated the competition?
In terms of sports, I believe letting data decide. And we need data points to analyze data. I am all for transwomen competing in female sports with the caveat that we are entering a ten-year data collection period. Over the next ten years, data will be collected on hormonal levels, surgical status, and athletic performance and then analyzed. If data shows that transwomen had an advantage they will be stripped of their titles. If data does not show any discernible advantage the matter is settled.
And FWIW, these questions are not to change your mind or opinions on transgender people, but as a means to frame a rational discussion so that people with opposing views can come to a middle ground or consensus somewhere. Those who are protrans also need to address issues like how do we protect women from bad faith actors from harming women? Is it really transphobic for women wishing not to be exposed to male genitalia in a female dressing room, especially if children are present? Is it really transphobic if a gay man does not want to date someone without a penis or a lesbian does not want to date someone with one?
Originally posted by: return_to_hades
A child gets into an accident and breaks their bones. They should be denied pain medication and surgery to mend their broken bones?
False equivalencies.
Originally posted by: return_to_hades 1. Gender-affirming treatment is not given without parental consent.
it can be and it is. a father who opposed it for his 13 yo daughter was arrested. this happened in developed countries not in some banana republic. and cases like these are on the rise.
Originally posted by: return_to_hades 2. Children cannot get top surgery. I mean, you literally cannot remove breasts that do not exist. Only someone who has gone through puberty fully has breasts.
Teens are also children. Indoctrination begins as early as 4. Hormone therapy as early as 11 and surgeries from 14. those ages are all children. But thanks for the biology lesson.
Originally posted by: return_to_hades I agree that intact men need to be prohibited from some female spaces.... , transwomen are most likely to face sexual violence and assault. So we need to address....Will she be safe in a male space?
people who suffer from Gender dysphoria - the real Ts, their last concern is exposing their male genetalia in female spaces. They are dealing with much more complex emotions.They need full help and support- counselling being the 1st step.
The males with male parts who randomly identity as "woman" one morning and enter in women spaces are misusing the movement for their own personal gains and hijacking it. This is what the current ideology is and this is what I am against along with unnecessary mutilation of children.
Originally posted by: return_to_hades Hormonal limits do affect cisgender women like Caster Semenya and Duttee Chand who naturally produce more testosterone... Michael Phelps ....
They are Outliers. Outliers are not the norm. Ouliers will always be there but what is not an outlier - a biological man competing against a woman.
Originally posted by: return_to_hades frame a rational discussion so that people with opposing views can come to a middle ground or consensus somewhere. sure. narrow minded, exaggeration, made up crap, warped perception = these are words used against me when i said - A. Children shouldnt be unnecessarily mutilated or injected with drugs B. Man with male parts dont belong in women spaces. Despite of the fact that I support a rational adult who transitions and the LGB - I. I dont support the current brand of TQ+ism - something that i have repeated over and over again. Also, trans age, trans species may be "made up" to you but you cant gate keep them,cant deny them their "identity:". They will label you with the same offensive that you have labelled against me.
