No pravachans from Mrs Funny bones?? - Page 8

It's a regressive ritual. And I dont see why it should not be called out in today's age and time. It's important we question the things we do, instead of 'why not doing it if it's not harming anyone'. For few of us, it might be a privilege or choice, but for many many many women in India, it's a matter of compulsion. Like we are giving examples of how doctors, scientists, engineers etc do it which proves this ritual passes the test of intelligence, the same way the women in rural and backward classes give examples of urban educated women who are willingly keeping it for their husbands and this logic is used to force them into doing it.

Anyways, I am a bong and we don't have this one. But we do have 1 where mothers, mind it, only mothers keep fast for the well-beings of their kids. The day I understand why the husbands do not keep fast for the long lives of their wives (outside movie world), or why the fathers do not keep fast for the well beings of their kids, I'd be more interested in finding out the history/geography of all these ones. 😆

Originally posted by: sherlockthor

the reason for karwa chauth is regressive

instead if it were for their own diet and fitness then it makes sense.

this is like killing animals for sacrifice and hoping to get good fortune.. obviously you will not get a good fortune, instead a worse one

similarly why should wife make herself unhappy and hungry so that husband gets to live a long life..

it should go both ways..

dont husband care for their wife enough?

@ bold...they shouldn't....if its making u unhappy and hungry don't do it...anything that is being FORCED is wrong.....there are no 2 ways about it.......but if it makes me happy....why should I be mocked for it??

Karwa Chaut is good as long as it is done by people with full heart and soul, otherwise it loses it's purpose.

Anyways this debate will go on and on, and its ultimately trivial to impose our views about this.

A person who sees this as a patriarchal custom, is partially correct. Because this is a patriarchal custom. They may be those cases where women do this unwillingly, just because of social pressure. And out of fear and guilt that them not following it, might result in the demise of their husband, they unwillingly do it, and ultimately adjust to it.

But the other side of the coin is, there are also many cases where women do this out of love for their husband, and than there are many supportive husbands who also participate by fasting themselves, praying for the his wife's long life.

There are many husbands who don't want their wife to keep this, but wives do anyways, because either of love or fear.

The points raised by both parties is correct, the problem arises when the people start thinking the other party as either regressive or anti-Hindu.

And no I am not saying everyone in the respective parties are doing it with pure intentions, yes there maybe some regressive people and some anti-Hindu people in either parties. But just because some one is in favour or against Karwa Chaut, we cant assume and accuse people.

See, customs and festivals shouldn't be forced, it is true. But we shouldn't be criticizing those who celebrate it out of love and devotion just because there are cases where they're forced. And we shouldn't also turn blind eyes to the injustice happening just on the name of the religion/festives/customs.

Yes Karwa Chaut is a festival where a woman fasts and prays for the long life of her husband, and question arising why only wives keep it, and why not husbands too. And that is a valid point, the time when the origins of the festival was found, it was celebrated for very different reasons, which is kind of outdated in today's time. And some modifications is required and yes there are many husbands who have started to keep fast themselves too, which is a good start towards equality.

See obviously festival has nothing to do with life expectancy, but than again every festival has no meaning and are just functions for social gathering. So calling out for total boycott is silly, because you can stop a Teej or KC, but tomorrow a new festival will comeout. That is how it is, humans are social animals who find many great ideas with stupid premise for socializing. So we need to find modifications and upgradation of the customs and festivals, because trying to kill something which isn't exactly harmful is just an immature action, which eventually leads to stupid consequences like divided people fighting over something as futile as a bloody festival.

Originally posted by: blue-ice.1

@ bold...they shouldn't....if its making u unhappy and hungry don't do it...anything that is being FORCED is wrong.....there are no 2 ways about it.......but if it makes me happy....why should I be mocked for it??

I am not mocking you..

but just saying like women always have to bear the responsibility of upholding tradition and ritual. All elders , and other relatives always tell the woman to do this do that.. if you genuinely like doing all this (without having any external influence ) then thats wonderful because you are happy..

I personally want this system to change.. women shouldn't feel the responsibility to uphold tradition and culture. Being good and sanskari is very pressuring, atleast for me.

Originally posted by: sherlockthor

I am not mocking you..

but just saying like women always have to bear the responsibility of upholding tradition and ritual. All elders , and other relatives always tell the woman to do this do that.. if you genuinely like doing all this (without having any external influence ) then thats wonderful because you are happy..

I personally want this system to change.. women shouldn't feel the responsibility to uphold tradition and culture. Being good and sanskari is very pressuring, atleast for me.

The word sanskari is probably the most misunderstood word in modern times..🤔

Being sanskari has become synonym with following the age old traditions....where as it means doing the right thing....if u don't agree with a tradition dont follow it...it would not make u any less sanskari.

I know u were not mocking me....Twinkle was....a healthy debate is always good.

KC is regressive. Point blank. It stems from a regressive idea. So how about we scrap it and introduce something that does not have roots in Patriarchy and couples can still show each other love.

Just because some people come out with their own individual meanings does not negate what it actually means. All religious and social and cultural events must be equal in standing. Just because some do it outta love does not erase its history. Choice is the main thing yes but people who are the upper class of spectrum with all their freedom of choice cannot mock most people in this country who don't have that choice. Yes,you can do it but you should not protest against the calling out of its patriarchal and regressive notion because that's the reality of most people celebrating it. CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE. That's all. And no it's not Anti Hindu to be against rituals like KC.

Also Twinkle does all these stuffs for attention, right or wrong, but she does it all for attention. So I think it is useless to have all this debates with each other, and being angry with each other because of an attention wh0re like her. Jisse apna pati nahi sambhal raha woh kiya samajh sambhalegi.

Anyways it is ultimately futile to have these debates, because people have made up their minds and our arguments isn't going to change anything. People who see this as regressive, will continue to see this as regressive, those who think it's okay, will see this as okay.

I personally don't give a fcuk and thing all religions need to die for the betterment of the humanity, but problem is if one religion dies, another arises and generally it is worse than the earlier one, so if their is no way out, why not try to balance the merits of existing religion and its customs with humanity for better future.

Originally posted by: RegressiveThug

Also Twinkle does all these stuffs for attention, right or wrong, but she does it all for attention. So I think it is useless to have all this debates with each other, and being angry with each other because of an attention wh0re like her. Jisse apna pati nahi sambhal raha woh kiya samajh sambhalegi.

Anyways it is ultimately futile to have these debates, because people have made up their minds and our arguments isn't going to change anything. People who see this as regressive, will continue to see this as regressive, those who think it's okay, will see this as okay.

I personally don't give a fcuk and thing all religions need to die for the betterment of the humanity, but problem is if one religion dies, another arises and generally it is worse than the earlier one, so if their is no way out, why not try to balance the merits of existing religion and its customs with humanity for better future.

Wow. What does her husband's roving eye and infidelity have to do with anything? Her pati's karnaarme is not her fault and has no bearing on the weightage of her opinion.

Originally posted by: AllThatCritique

Wow. What does her husband's roving eye and infidelity have to do with anything? Her pati's karnaarme is not her fault and has no bearing on the weightage of her opinion.

Yes you are right, after writing it, I also thought, that wasn't a wise thing to say. Wanted to edit, but thought, mujh jaise naali ke.keede ke edit karne se kuch joga toh nahi, so left it.

Yes you right, She has a family and image to think about, ab Akshay itna baada haramchor Chutia tharki hai, toh usme Twinkle ki kiya galti.

Ten page discussion for Twinkle NOT saying anything about Karva chauth this year. 😳