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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Well, he's not glib like Obama, that's for sure. He is coarse and unpolished. But if you don't want it to be about Trump, then stop talking about Trump and steer the topic in the direction that you want it to go.

Are we talking about bullies in the schoolyard or bullies at work place or bullies at international level or anything goes and this is an all encompassing topic? I ask because we may need different tactics to deal with different types.




I meant in general. Trump was just an example.

if a bully in the schoolyard keeps making fun of a kid's hair, is that kid one day allowed to say "you are a ugly bitch, you shouldn't comment on others"

if at work place someone is knowingly constantly patronizing you and is dismissive of your work, even after you have complained about it and reported it multiple times, is it then fair to namecall them?

or in more intimate relationship: if a girlfriend is very controlling and nagging and one day guy flips and calls her a bitch or a c**t...do you think its fair?

and parents. this is bit more controversial because of regards for elders in our society but there are abusive and controlling parents in our society too. There are parents who will keep controlling until the child not only answers back but actually rebels...does the kid during is rebellion still uphold politeness and civility.

And public figures, including Trump: is it fair to namecall the leakers of nudes (or any personal matter) of actresses and actors?

Just to make sure here we are talking about rudeness as outburst of anger and frustration and hurt when dealing with your bully. Its about when your polite requests and logical arguments are dismissed. Do you think by being rude to some someone who has been constantly rude to you for the longest time, you are stooping to their level?


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Posted: 6 years ago
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All good questions! Whether verbal or physical or social, bullying could be brutal and traumatic.

It's easier said than done to tell the bullied to stay confident, to stand up for himself or herself, to remain brave and to not cower with fear in front of the bully. I am not a psychiatrist but I think a tit-for-tat response is not encouraged by the experts.

There are no easy solutions. Avoiding or ignoring the bullies is a good first step. If things take a turn for the worse, it's best to involve adults / teachers / Human Resources / police / support groups etc., depending on the situation.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: K.Universe.

All good questions! Whether verbal or physical or social, bullying could be brutal and traumatic.

It's easier said than done to tell the bullied to stay confident, to stand up for himself or herself, to remain brave and to not cower with fear in front of the bully. I am not a psychiatrist but I think a tit-for-tat response is not encouraged by the experts.

There are no easy solutions. Avoiding or ignoring the bullies is a good first step. If things take a turn for the worse, it's best to involve adults / teachers / Human Resources / police / support groups etc., depending on the situation.


Of course, first attempt to resolve should always be one of civility. And seeking out a professional help really helps. But what happens when the victim snaps? Few years back I had an encounter where there were two girls and one was repeatedly making scenes in public. the second girl was trying to calm her, ignore her, tell her at least lets get home and talk. But the first girl kept on going on a very offensive and personal rant. Everyone around was livid, including me. Noone did anything or say anything. So after a while the other girl snapped and threw a cup of tea/coffee t the first girls face. But then few people went to her and took her away. People started saying how the second girl houldnt have done it. It made the matter worse...but I didnt agree with them. I actually felt really bad for the second girl.

So was the second really at fault? doesn't the victim even have right to anger? She was literally going through a public humiliation. No one did anything (i genuinely thought it wasnt my place to intervene) but we all knew how awful those words were. But when the girl threw the coffee people seemed to forget all of the bully's words and were more focused on how the victim handled it.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: looseseal



Of course, first attempt to resolve should always be one of civility. And seeking out a professional help really helps. But what happens when the victim snaps? Few years back I had an encounter where there were two girls and one was repeatedly making scenes in public. the second girl was trying to calm her, ignore her, tell her at least lets get home and talk. But the first girl kept on going on a very offensive and personal rant. Everyone around was livid, including me. Noone did anything or say anything. So after a while the other girl snapped and threw a cup of tea/coffee t the first girls face. But then few people went to her and took her away. People started saying how the second girl houldnt have done it. It made the matter worse...but I didnt agree with them. I actually felt really bad for the second girl.

So was the second really at fault? doesn't the victim even have right to anger? She was literally going through a public humiliation. No one did anything (i genuinely thought it wasnt my place to intervene) but we all knew how awful those words were. But when the girl threw the coffee people seemed to forget all of the bully's words and were more focused on how the victim handled it.



Going only by the description you gave, I am not sure if it qualifies for a bullying incident.

While my general rule of thumb is to never take anything lying down, I wouldn't advocate getting physical in response to a verbal tirade.

But then again, if a 7 ft, 300 pound guy is jawing at me, hypothetically speaking, I will be sure to keep mum 😆 so, so much for my principles!


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Posted: 6 years ago
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I believe in giving it back. Rude or not, doesn't matter. If someone bullies me on my face, I wouldn't keep quiet. Period. I'm an adult enough to draw a line when required. Heck if one kid is bullying the other why should the victim keep quiet? Definition of giving it back is subjective.

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