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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: SatoshiNakamoto


Ofcourse it is uncommon for some people as I can see. Nice to know because I don't care if it is strengthened, I have come to know thanks to people like you that education has nothing to do with irrational beliefs. That fellow Zakir Naik is also a medical doctor and I have heard his arguments, zero logic just false equivalence everywhere.


What I ment by strength my belief , That I belive in the hight power or God/ allah .. that we are not come just from coincidence .
And after my study it is no way we as human with all this organs and brain just came from coincidence ..
And all this universe and stars ..etc
In my all studying I didn't find any contradiction with my belief or religion .. I use rational thinkng , I make arguments I search , I use my brain , I don't just follow , I find my own way ..

I don't know who is Zakir Naik is , but there are people who are like what you said ..
It unfortunate that the real Islam is unknow because people like that exists ..

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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: StarySKY


What I ment by strength my belief , That I belive in the hight power or God/ allah .. that we are not come just from coincidence .
And after my study it is no way we as human with all this organs and brain just came from coincidence ..
And all this universe and stars ..etc
In my all studying I didn't find any contradiction with my belief or religion .. I use rational thinkng , I make arguments I search , I use my brain , I don't just follow , I find my own way ..

I don't know who is Zakir Naik is , but there are people who are like what you said ..
It unfortunate that the real Islam is unknow because people like that exists ..



See I have heard this several times. Now I just find it funny. Besides, all you have said doesn't make any sense even here, don't really know what study you did. Why not get it published ? I assume it must be very deep that many of my colleagues in medical school and biology department, who are doing research, are unable to understand right. Write a logical paper, get it peer reviewed please.

Not finding a contradiction is not equivalent to proving anything. People are not able to find a contradiction to P=NP, Riemann hypothesis, they should just say hey I cannot find a contradiction so it is true. Easy life. RIP logic.

On one hand you say humans need someoney to tell what to do, then you say I don't follow I use my own brain. You used your brain to decide Quran is written by some high power so why not just follow it. Why you need even a medical degree ? It has everything to lead a "perfect life" as you said, didn't Quran have that knowledge ? Really surprised.

Beside real Islam is such an overused phrase now. Every other Muslim thinks he has perfect knowledge of Islam and there is one interpretation of a book written in an obscure way. My roommate thinks he knows the best, you think you know. There is a reason maths is the language of science so that people don't keep interpreting it in their own way to suit their agenda.
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: SatoshiNakamoto



See I have heard this several times. Now I just find it funny. Besides, all you have said doesn't make any sense even here, don't really know what study you did. Why not get it published ? I assume it must be very deep that many of my colleagues in medical school and biology department, who are doing research, are unable to understand right. Write a logical paper, get it peer reviewed please.

Not finding a contradiction is not equivalent to proving anything. People are not able to find a contradiction to P=NP, Riemann hypothesis, they should just say hey I cannot find a contradiction so it is true. Easy life. RIP logic.

On one hand you say humans need someoney to tell what to do, then you say I don't follow I use my own brain. You used your brain to decide Quran is written by some high power so why not just follow it. Why you need even a medical degree ? It has everything to lead a "perfect life" as you said, didn't Quran have that knowledge ? Really surprised.

Beside real Islam is such an overused phrase now. Every other Muslim thinks he has perfect knowledge of Islam and there is one interpretation of a book written in an obscure way. My roommate thinks he knows the best, you think you know. There is a reason maths is the language of science so that people don't keep interpreting it in their own way to suit their agenda.

I assume that you don't believe in any creator God. I'm still a student not yet in college though always been precocious but anyway.
Please how do you explain entanglement? I'm not negating anything but would really like an alternate theory.
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: nigahen

I assume that you don't believe in any creator God. I'm still a student not yet in college though always been precocious but anyway.
Please how do you explain entanglement? I'm not negating anything but would really like an alternate theory.



If you can define what God is, I will think whether I believe it or not. This is like me asking you do you believe in jfjfhjdfjf. Doesn't make sense, does it? 😆

And by entanglement, do you mean quantum entanglement ? If yes, then I don't really know why you are asking me this, I don't study quantum mechanics. I have a very surface knowledge of QM based on a course I took. I am sure you can find multiple resources if you go to google scholar, explaining what it is and limitations of human understanding regarding it. How does it matter what I think of it ? I am nobody when it comes to understanding the correlations between wavefunctions of particles.


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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

@anjs Your justification for tiilak/bindi is not scientific. Chackras or spiritual eye cannot be proved with evidence. Red colour aiding reproduction is unheard of.

I respect tradition, but I cannot support blind beliefs.

@Padfoot If Madri went for Sati, why didn't Kunti go?
You must have heard of these ladies; Jijabai, Ahalyabai Holkar, Kittur Chennamma, Lakshmi Bai of Jhansi; Were they all rescued by Ram Mohan Roy?
Having said, I won't deny that the practice was present. Shivaji prevented his mother from going for Sati. But he could not prevent his wives from committing Sati when he died. Ahalya Bai ruled the kingdom for thirty years after her husband died. But her only daughter opted for Sati (when her mother was still alive).

Reason for Sati may be undue respect towards self-immolation in Hinduism.
(If you think, self-immolation is a patriarchal thing, then read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation
https://astronlogia.com/astrology-explained/spirituality/samadhi-centers-india/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sallekhana )
First one (and Jauhar) has political undertones. But the rest are religious in nature. It is the case of "freedom of religion" conflicting with "right to life". Obviously "right to live" should win. Misuse of the Sati tradition (Girl forced by relatives) had also increased. So a forceful law was needed to prevent it (even if it is voluntary).Ram Manohar Roy worked on that.

But in the case case of Sindhoor, Mangal Sutra what exactly is "Religious Freedom" conflicting with? If an educated Indian woman finds anything is obstructing her freedom, she does not hesitate to change it. Earlier in south India, Saree was the compulsory dress for women. Now it mainly stays for occasion. They found Salwar and Jeans more convenient. Which feminist brought this change? If the same women go for Bindi, is that patriarchal? A person who could modify her dress code was not capable of throwing her bindi? They find it good on their face. It is not inconvenient. They do it. (Sindhoor culture is not present in south. Bindi is worn by unmarried/married both. But widows were not wearing it earlier.
Again there is change in that culture now. Since last decade, most women who get widowed are continuing to wear bindi. This is a welcome change. Again no feminist was involved. Changes come within, silently).

If one condemn the new age socialite feminism, that does not imply one is ignoring the hard works of Ram Mohan Roy or Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar.


Second and third wave feminism has done nothing to initiate change, absolutely nothing! In fact, the ones who started the first wave feminism were females who were from the upper class who demanded ownership and property rights. It was NEVER about the suffering of the common woman, never. At least they achieved some real goals by getting other women the right to vote & get custody of their children.

Second and third wave feminism (i.e. modern feminism) has goals that are more aligned with Marxism and socialism. The root issue with it is that it breeds identity politics and teaches people to fall prey to eternal victimhood. This eventually causes conflicts over group identities & social collapse. All the while NO ONE bothers to ask the less privileged woman about her lack of rights & suffering. It's a movement which is wholly ego-driven & destructive.
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Posted: 6 years ago
The whole premise of feminism is about choice and the freedom to allow women to do what they want, just like men have been doing for centuries.
So if a feminist decides to get married (granted that it is her own will) it is still feminism. If that married woman chooses to put on sindoor, mangalsutra and chooda after marriage it is still feminism. Whatever she decides to do in her life is still feminism. You know why?
Because she chose all those things.
It's not that hard of a concept to understand ffs.
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: SatoshiNakamoto



See I have heard this several times. Now I just find it funny. Besides, all you have said doesn't make any sense even here, don't really know what study you did. Why not get it published ? I assume it must be very deep that many of my colleagues in medical school and biology department, who are doing research, are unable to understand right. Write a logical paper, get it peer reviewed please.

Not finding a contradiction is not equivalent to proving anything. People are not able to find a contradiction to P=NP, Riemann hypothesis, they should just say hey I cannot find a contradiction so it is true. Easy life. RIP logic.

On one hand you say humans need someoney to tell what to do, then you say I don't follow I use my own brain. You used your brain to decide Quran is written by some high power so why not just follow it. Why you need even a medical degree ? It has everything to lead a "perfect life" as you said, didn't Quran have that knowledge ? Really surprised.

Beside real Islam is such an overused phrase now. Every other Muslim thinks he has perfect knowledge of Islam and there is one interpretation of a book written in an obscure way. My roommate thinks he knows the best, you think you know. There is a reason maths is the language of science so that people don't keep interpreting it in their own way to suit their agenda.


You find my belief funny , good for
I will never force you to have my belief .. belief and religion are a personal choice , I choose to have one you don't ( as I think )

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Ok , when did I say that I am working in study field or I am working on paper .. you completely missed my point and misunderstood ..
All I said that I am a doctor and after all my study in university ..etc that I have belief in higher power that we are created not just appeard by coincidence .. and all the sciences biology , chemistry , physics , cosmology ..etc all universe and all living creatures have their own rules and I refuse to believe that just all kind of a big coincidence ..
Even if I am not a Muslim I would had have a belief in higher power ..

Let me ask you have you read/heard Quran ? I don't think you did
As I said I believe in higher power and I used my brain and with that I know Quran is never written by a mankind .. it is no way ..
And what is the relation between my belief in higher power and my medical digree ?!! I didn't get your point ..

Quran is not written in an obscure way .. it is written in Arabic anf if you know the languages will you can understand it the simple way , you don't need interpretation to understand what it said .. but yeah Quran has deeper meanings and to get it you need to get deeper in it ..
Every time I read Quran I lrean a new thing from it ..

I never said I am perfect or have the perfect Islam ..
But most of Mulsims or whatever I see in news or came across on Internet are no way near the real Islam .. we say we are now in the dark ages of Islam as Muslims are not applying the knowledge of Islam in their life ..

People they use their own interpretation twist religion in their own way to suit their agenda .. that is true ..


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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: Fool.moon

Yes he was.

Heard of ram rahim, nirmal baba, ramdas etc? 😆

There was another fraud baba with hindu name got caught recently turned out to be a Muslim guy.

And btw, mohan roy died in Briton. And they honored him even after his death for his services like how they do for all their pets😆😆


Brahmins rarely convert to other religions. Because they have no reason to convert. Many Hindus converted to other religions primarily due to Caste discrimination or by Force. Ofcourse, the Christian Missionaries had their own unethical way of conversion by using miseries and poverty to lure people. But, that is another discussion altogether.

I find no harm in Raja RamMohan Roy dying in London or taking good things from other Religions. He had to work with what was possible during those times. So, if British were ruling India, he had to negotiate with them to get Sati abolished. And every Sane Human being will agree that Banning Sati is a Good thing. His being a convert or british agent does not really matter.
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: SatoshiNakamoto



If you can define what God is, I will think whether I believe it or not. This is like me asking you do you believe in jfjfhjdfjf. Doesn't make sense, does it? 😆

And by entanglement, do you mean quantum entanglement ? If yes, then I don't really know why you are asking me this, I don't study quantum mechanics. I have a very surface knowledge of QM based on a course I took. I am sure you can find multiple resources if you go to google scholar, explaining what it is and limitations of human understanding regarding it. How does it matter what I think of it ? I am nobody when it comes to understanding the correlations between wavefunctions of particles.



Ok. I didnt ask you to believe or disbelieve in anything. Just your views on quantum entanglement. But ok.
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Posted: 6 years ago
She doesn't change her name to Priyanka Nick Jonas that's for sure.

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