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Posted: 6 years ago

#131

Started with Priyanka, surname. Now more about Sati, Sindhoor and Hijab. Shabarimala topic has not come yet?

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Charaiveti

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Posted: 6 years ago

#132

Originally posted by: LeadNitrate

Noo

Widow Remarriage and women education was Vidyasagar, some 50 years after Rammohan
And he faced criticism, poverty, was taken advantage of my greedy people, mocked

Anyone who wants to swim against current always faces an enormous battle.

Vidyasagar couldn't convince anyone with what happens in west, he had to research, and look into sanskrit scriptures to show widow remarriage existed in ancient India, it was acceptable and respectable and not a sin.

People like Rammohan, Vidyasagar,Swami Vivekananda etc were damn courageous.takes a lot of bravery to go against tide in a extremely religious society and try to reform it. N they felt the pain of women even though they themselves weren't facing it. Vivekananda in that era told people to play football n serve every animal rather than worshipping as that is more closer to serving God.

There was one lady called Begum Rokeya in Bengal too. Fought hard for women education n built schools for girls. Sakhawat Memorial built by her on her husband's name is still one of the renounced girls school in Kolkata

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simim

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Posted: 6 years ago

#133

Originally posted by: ThunderLight

Yes, like I said, the Jauhar practice spread to Non Royal people too and came to be known as Sati.

Raja Rammohan Roy was a Brahmin too. It was not daughter of some other person but his own brother's wife who was immolated by people against her wishes. It was then that he took upon himself to eradicate the inhumane practice and even got the British to abolish the same under Law. He did lot of social reforms for women, supported widow remarriage and opposed child marriage etc.

Pls understand and know the facts first. Jauhar did not spread and become Sati. Sati was Shivas wife and she burned herself. She was later reborn as Parvati and Shiva married her again. This was the practice of women whose husbands died by what ever ways ( not just in wars) jumping into their funeral pyre and killing themelves. Jauhar came much later as you said for the royal Rajput women to escape the Mughal Invaders. Sati was widespread and was forced on widows and then was removed with the reforms brought in.

It was a blot on Hinduism which we evolved and removed and did not hold onto since it truly was a barbaric practice.

Widow re-marriage was another because of the really terrible way in which widows were treated.

Its very easy to find out about Sati...you can google it.

But not just you ...several ppl...especially of late happily push Sati as a practice which came during Mughal times. It did not!!

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astha36

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Posted: 6 years ago

#134

I read that bindi and sindoor have some health benefits and so they are not anti feminist. But if they have nothing to do with a man or their husband then why is wearing a bindi and sindoor considered as a married woman's ornaments? Widows were not allowed to put these things. Unko health benefits nahi chahiye? Sindoor especially is put only after marriage and before becoming a widow. Unmarried girls also don't put sindoor. Then tell me if it isn't related to their husbands? Have men ever put sindoor or tilak as a sign of being married? Even the tilaks that are getting mentioned here can be put by any man irrespective of his marital status .

We are talking about why these things have been forced onto a wife as a duty towards her husband. It is definitely due to patriarchy. Religions are also created by humans. If men dominate the society then the religions also portray the same. So yes what Sherlock Thor said was correct. These things are given romantic or religious twist so as to be made acceptable. Even today when a married woman doesn't put sindoor, it makes people look twice at her, in any place less urban.

Edited by astha36 - 6 years ago

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566912

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Posted: 6 years ago

#135

Originally posted by: sherlockthor
tbh there are more and urgent issues faced by women right now, Child marriages , No education , female foeticide,, rape , genital mutilation, sexual harassment, pay wage gap, forced to have multiple children etc..
We really need to do something about this .. :(

This Burqa / Sindhoor / Surnames etc are secondary issues. ( they are atleast manageable )

Only solution I find is right and correct education to both boys and girls from their childhood and also education to grownups and also strict punishments

Internet and Liberals never focus on more pertaining issues.

For me, Making Lower strata women who gets beating form her drunkard husband, an independent self-sufficient person is utmost urgency than any privileged women crying for her first world stupid problems.

Ladies who fought for Equal rights and education and equal standing in society did so good to us. That should encourage us to make other under-privileged women life better.

There are girls who do not get to study. There are women who has to take assault from men to provide for her and kids. There are women working day and night to make ends meet. There are women n girls getting raped. There are so many urgent and important issues. But nahi.. sindoor n chuda n other qtiyapa is more important. 🤢

Today's privileged women are mostly doing disservice to feminism. They always take the focus away from ACTUAL suppressed women.

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566912

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Posted: 6 years ago

#136

Originally posted by: Fool.moon

This forum is full of married women. Ask how many of them wear bindi,sindoor and mangalsutra on daily basis.😆

It's so obvious from your posts how much you know about Hindus and their way of functioning.

@bold -- I have never worn. Nor do I see anybody wearing these symbols. Forget daily.. nobody wears them even on occasions.

I just don't get which era do people live in. India-forums members need an upgrade.

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Charaiveti

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Posted: 6 years ago

#137

Originally posted by: Fool.moon
And that ram Johan roy dude was a fraud brahmin he was a christian convert who worked for British east India company.
This forum is fool's paradise. The types who believe donkeys can fly them to heavens 😆😆

Christian convert?????

Hv u ever heard about bramho samaj? Or bramho religion?Not that there is anything wrong with converting to whichever religion one wants to but u HV adha knowledge

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anjs

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Posted: 6 years ago

#138

Originally posted by: astha36
I read that bindi and sindoor have some health benefits and so they are not anti feminist. But if they have nothing to do with a man or their husband then why is wearing a bindi and sindoor considered as a married woman's ornaments? Widows were not allowed to put these things. Unko health benefits nahi chahiye? Sindoor especially is put only after marriage and before becoming a widow. Unmarried girls also don't put sindoor. Then tell me if it isn't related to their husbands? Have men ever put sindoor or tilak as a sign of being married? Even the tilaks that are getting mentioned here can be put by any man irrespective of his marital status .

We are talking about why these things have been forced onto a wife as a duty towards her husband. It is definitely due to patriarchy. Religions are also created by humans. If men dominate the society then the religions also portray the same. So yes what Sherlock Thor said was correct. These things are given romantic or religious twist so as to be made acceptable. Even today when a married woman doesn't put sindoor, it makes people look twice at her, in any place less urban.

earlier times there was no sticker bindi...only kumkum was used and it was applied by both men and women...even Men would put kumkum, in the form of tilak...

as for widows, they would put chandan tika..

red kumkum was more to do with reproduction health and since widow were not assumed to be reproducing, they would be using chandan tilak to calm the mind...same was with men who wouldnt be marrying post their wives dying, they would also be applying chandan tilak...

also as per communities, people would put kumkum or chandan tilak...

Yes, through out the times, people started taking these rituals in a wrong way, and stopped believing in the health benefits just like you guys are doing now...

sherlockthor is completely ridiculing everything, putting it all in one bracket... but its not completely black and white and there are grey areas...

as @nimbumirchi said, there are far more important issues that needs attention, then discussing sindoor and karwachauth rituals choices for women who do it if they want to.

Edited by anjs - 6 years ago

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566912

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Posted: 6 years ago

#139

And to the main topic..

I haven't changed my name. None of my friends did. Heck, I have never had any discussion about changing name or surname with my husband. It's not even a matter.

But if someone wants to? How does that have any concern with Feminism?

Feminism is about equality. So if I change my name, I won't get equal treatment? 🤔

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Charaiveti

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Posted: 6 years ago

#140

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

@bold -- I have never worn. Nor do I see anybody wearing these symbols. Forget daily.. nobody wears them even on occasions.

I just don't get which era do people live in. India-forums members need an upgrade.

Rural area max do. In urban areas too those who don't in some cases HV a pissed off in lae due to that😆 I have a neighborhood uncle who comes to our house n complains my daughter in law doesn't put sindoor ye ajkal ki ladkiya. My dad says dada ap hi pahen love na if u like it so much😆

But max girls in our generation don't wear it now I think. I just want everyone to HV a choice. That they won't face any consequences if they don't do it. Baki Dena na Dena apni marzi

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