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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: Fool.moon

Yes he was.

Heard of ram rahim, nirmal baba, ramdas etc? 😆

There was another fraud baba with hindu name got caught recently turned out to be a Muslim guy.

And btw, he died in Briton. And they honored him even after his death for his services like how they do for all their pets😆😆

I don't understand what's bad about dying in britan😆 anyways ilI' hope u r a troll n not serious. Bye
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: Charaiveti

Rural area max do. In urban areas too those who don't in some cases HV a pissed off in lae due to that😆 I have a neighborhood uncle who comes to our house n complains my daughter in law doesn't put sindoor ye ajkal ki ladkiya. My dad says dada ap hi pahen love na if u like it so much😆

But max girls in our generation don't wear it now I think. I just want everyone to HV a choice. That they won't face any consequences if they don't do it. Baki Dena na Dena apni marzi


Nah. Not in rural have I seen Sindoor regularly. I see some women wearing it now coz of style statement.. thanks to TV serials. But growing up i never saw.

Bindi -- some women do. Not regularly though. But functions n marriages, I have seen.

Chuda -- we do not have in our culture. We have bangles, But most ladies wear them on with Sarees during festivals or functions or poojas. daily days, ladies have single piece of gold bangle. it's again a style statement. Dekho.. meri tumhari bangle se jyada heavy kinda thing. 😆

About your neighboring uncle -- He is just complaining or is he making it compulsory for DIL to wear it? Coz complaining toh is normal. Saas-sasur-bahu always complain about each other. Also, rarely have I seen someone getting forced for sindoor, chuda stuff.

Ghunghat -- Women are forced to wear it in some rural areas. But unless you (By you I mean anyone who is complaining) go to these rural areas and educate people about it.. make a change, it's futile to shout it out on internet. Coz these orthodox old men and women aren't on Internet.
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Posted: 6 years ago
@anjs Your justification for tiilak/bindi is not scientific. Chackras or spiritual eye cannot be proved with evidence. Red colour aiding reproduction is unheard of.
I respect tradition, but I cannot support blind beliefs.

@Padfoot If Madri went for Sati, why didn't Kunti go?
You must have heard of these ladies; Jijabai, Ahalyabai Holkar, Kittur Chennamma, Lakshmi Bai of Jhansi; Were they all rescued by Ram Mohan Roy?
Having said, I won't deny that the practice was present. Shivaji prevented his mother from going for Sati. But he could not prevent his wives from committing Sati when he died. Ahalya Bai ruled the kingdom for thirty years after her husband died. But her only daughter opted for Sati (when her mother was still alive).

Reason for Sati may be undue respect towards self-immolation in Hinduism.
(If you think, self-immolation is a patriarchal thing, then read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation
https://astronlogia.com/astrology-explained/spirituality/samadhi-centers-india/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sallekhana )
First one (and Jauhar) has political undertones. But the rest are religious in nature. It is the case of "freedom of religion" conflicting with "right to life". Obviously "right to live" should win. Misuse of the Sati tradition (Girl forced by relatives) had also increased. So a forceful law was needed to prevent it (even if it is voluntary). Ram Manohar Roy worked on that.

But in the case case of Sindhoor, Mangal Sutra what exactly is "Religious Freedom" conflicting with? If an educated Indian woman finds anything is obstructing her freedom, she does not hesitate to change it. Earlier in south India, Saree was the compulsory dress for women. Now it mainly stays for occasion. They found Salwar and Jeans more convenient. Which feminist brought this change? If the same women go for Bindi, is that patriarchal? A person who could modify her dress code was not capable of throwing her bindi? They find it good on their face. It is not inconvenient. They do it. (Sindhoor culture is not present in south. Bindi is worn by unmarried/married both. But widows were not wearing it earlier.
Again there is change in that culture now. Since last decade, most women who get widowed are continuing to wear bindi. This is a welcome change. Again no feminist was involved. Changes come within, silently).
If one condemn the new age socialite feminism, that does not imply one is ignoring the hard works of Ram Mohan Roy or Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar.
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi


Nah. Not in rural have I seen Sindoor regularly. I see some women wearing it now coz of style statement.. thanks to TV serials. But growing up i never saw.

Bindi -- some women do. Not regularly though. But functions n marriages, I have seen.

Chuda -- we do not have in our culture. We have bangles, But most ladies wear them on with Sarees during festivals or functions or poojas. daily days, ladies have single piece of gold bangle. it's again a style statement. Dekho.. meri tumhari bangle se jyada heavy kinda thing. 😆

About your neighboring uncle -- He is just complaining or is he making it compulsory for DIL to wear it? Coz complaining toh is normal. Saas-sasur-bahu always complain about each other. Also, rarely have I seen someone getting forced for sindoor, chuda stuff.

Ghunghat -- Women are forced to wear it in some rural areas. But unless you (By you I mean anyone who is complaining) go to these rural areas and educate people about it.. make a change, it's futile to shout it out on internet. Coz these orthodox old men and women aren't on Internet.

I guess it's a matter of state to state . In wb rural area I do see women wearing sindoor a lot. Bindi is culture here unmarried women wear too. Shakha pola women only wear for few days here now.even women from my mom's generation don't wear it now. I

Yes I agree. Writing on internet proves nothing. Everyone should do something irl. Take a action. Being social media warrior is the key goal for many n then they endure lots of misogyny irl. That's why I called out white suburban women cz they act like feminists then make such a big deal about surname change. As if that was their life goal.
I do think mundane small matters of misogyny should be called out too,but the grave issues should be too n in more percentage. Many concentrate on smaller issues that too on social media cz that makes them look progressive, forget talking about graver issues they don't even take action in life to rectify the smaller issues.

About that uncle,well he keeps taunting her in front of people n says stuff about her to random people behind her back which is wrong Imo. Luckily she doesn't give him much attention but you can tell he dislikes n doesn't even hide it in front of people.
She is bindass though n doesn't let him affect her

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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: flipfl0p


But in the case case of Sindhoor, Mangal Sutra what exactly is "Religious Freedom" conflicting with? If an educated Indian woman finds anything is obstructing her freedom, she does not hesitate to change it. Earlier in south India, Saree was the compulsory dress for women. Now it mainly stays for occasion. They found Salwar and Jeans more convenient. Which feminist brought this change? If the same women go for Bindi, is that patriarchal? A person who could modify her dress code was not capable of throwing her bindi? They find it good on their face. It is not inconvenient. They do it. (Sindhoor culture is not present in south. Bindi is worn by unmarried/married both. But widows were not wearing it earlier.
Again there is change in that culture now. Since last decade, most women who get widowed are continuing to wear bindi. This is a welcome change. Again no feminist was involved. Changes come within, silently).
If one condemn the new age socialite feminism, that does not imply one is ignoring the hard works of Ram Mohan Roy or Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar.


@bold -- Thank You Flip-flop.




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Posted: 6 years ago
About sindoor I have heard it originated from Kashmir's hilly region. There men would often kidnap or go for others wives so they started cutting the forhead of the wife with stone ,the red mark created bybblood was like a stamp ki this is my woman. Now I don't claim it to be true it's something I have heard from some people
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: Charaiveti


I do think mundane small matters of misogyny should be called out too,but the grave issues should be too n in more percentage. Many concentrate on smaller issues that too on social media cz that makes them look progressive, forget talking about graver issues they don't even take action in life to rectify the smaller issues.

About that uncle,well he keeps taunting her in front of people n says stuff about her to random people behind her back which is wrong Imo. Luckily she doesn't give him much attention but you can tell he dislikes n doesn't even hide it in front of people.
She is bindass though n doesn't let him affect her


For me, making all women from every walk of life stand tall is utmost priority than mundane stuff, so, if I have resources, I would focus them all on grave issues. ladies can deal with mundane stuff on their own. It makes them stronger like the example you gave of you neighbor.

Wrong of that uncle, sure. But people are bitchy and judgmental in real life. DIL doesn't let it affect her. I will call her strong.
I like women like her. They don't complain.. they act. And Barkha dutt/Kangana type of people would take this woman's example and cry suppression. Are tujhe kisne suppress kiya? Jo suppressed hai.. are making way for themselves. And jo suppressed nahi hai.. are using suppression to further their agenda. New age feminism in nutshell.


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Posted: 6 years ago
Choices aren't made in void. Choice feminists always whine about right to choose from their elitist place while refusing to understand that some choices are inherently patriarchal and there is nothing empowering about them! You can imagine yourself to be "empowered" by covering up or wearing sindoor but these choices aren't feminist choices. They have patriarchal undertones in them! This context-less popularized version of liberal feminism is what has ruined the ideology of feminism! Feminism is a movement, a set of principles. You aren't a feminist by the virtue of your gender, your choices aren't feminist just because you're a woman and liberal feminism says so!

Watered down version of feminism has created this la la land where "feminists" can stay bound to patriarchy while screaming empowerment! Liberal feminism is only a popular form of feminism, not actual, hard feminism that requires you to make better choices, take better decisions, be more empathetic, question society, question oppression. It's pink-filter feminism, with all the "cool" benefits and none of the hard work.

On the topic, yes women are allowed to make choices but it's high time we stop pretending that every feminine choice is a feminist choice. Feminism argues that women have equal rights to choose. But the choice itself may not be inherently feminist. In this case, PC has NEVER been a feminist to me anyway so she can do whatever I guess! Her logic makes sense in a basic way. Her mom was addressed by her marred name so she didn't change her name completely, just added Jonas. This name-changing thing is a very complex process anyway! Last names shouldn't even exist.
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Posted: 6 years ago
Toh phir bol Kaffara bol kaffara kya hoga 😆
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: Fairy_KimBokJoo

Choices aren't made in void. Choice feminists always whine about right to choose from their elitist place while refusing to understand that some choices are inherently patriarchal and there is nothing empowering about them! You can imagine yourself to be "empowered" by covering up or wearing sindoor but these choices aren't feminist choices. They have patriarchal undertones in them! This context-less popularized version of liberal feminism is what has ruined the ideology of feminism! Feminism is a movement, a set of principles. You aren't a feminist by the virtue of your gender, your choices aren't feminist just because you're a woman and liberal feminism says so!



Exactly. Choices are not made in isolation. When people like Priyanka and Deepika choose to wear sindoor and choodas everywhere or take on their husband's names, it signals that it's the right choice to millions of women who have these things forced upon them. Why should women need to make a display of their marital status in a way that men don't? It's inherently misogynist and patriarchal.

For these privileged women, it's just a way to show off just like they would show off an engagement ring. More so for someone like Priyanka whose husband is not even from the same culture and has no stake in these rituals to begin with. But it sends a really wrong message to women who don't have the choices and privileges rich actresses do.
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