What is life,purpose of life and death?! - Page 6

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Birdie, it's very possible I was subconsciously borrowing from the simulation theory.

As we now know, the universe on large scales is the same in all directions and the same in all locations owing to the cosmological principle and based on observations using our best telescopes. To me, that sounds like some kind of computer generated imagery. Just like those big battle scenes we all have seen in a lot of movies, other than a few "real" people / animals / things in the front row(s), pretty much everything else is graphics. Also, on large scales, the universe is "painted" on-demand when one tries to see it and this ties in with QM where particles don't have a definite state unless under observation. So, it could still be a finite "volume" (memory space?) but with the feel of having no limits. The reason for giving us this feel could be to introduce a misdirection; or it could be a hint saying that physical infinities are not possible so go back to the drawing board.

With Avatars, I was going with some kind of a virtual world where "user(s)" interact with other animated characters and/or other "user(s)". The characters themselves could be fairly autonomous, but still obeying the laws of the "game". Pleasure and pain are some kind of reward/punishment based feedback mechanisms to players' characters. Is it ethical from the characters' perspective? I don't know.

All indications are that with our tech, within a "few" years, we too could build a virtual universe similar to the one we currently inhabit. The key is to make it all feel " really real". With old movies or video games, you know you are watching/participating in something fake but with some of the latest movies / video games / VR, the lines between real and virtual are blurred. Same goes for what's a real image and what's photo-shopped. With advancing tech, it would become harder and harder to tell real and fake apart.

The purpose of simulation could be to understand how we are here. If we could simulate our universe, then it could very well be that we too were simulated.

I will expand on this soon.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

1 yuga in Sanskrit is 4.32 million human years, not 12000 human years.

Also, you don't multiply time (in years) with distance. That's a meaningless calculation.

As for you finding "truths" in religious texts, that's nothing but your confirmation bias.

Originally posted by: SanathanaDharma

Firstly, Hanuman Chalisa is written in Awadhi not Sanskrit
Secondly, 1 yug = 12000 DIVINE years not Earth years
Thirdly, Here Tulsidas has just described the distance that Hanuman travelled. So you mean he used a unit of time to describe distance? Here the yug merely represents a number

Originally posted by: SanathanaDharma

@K

You have written your version of universe. You believe it right?

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

now while we will have the ability to create increasingly realistic virtual/ immersive experiences, i wonder if the characters in the virtual creation would feel they are for real, in the real world. I think that is what would be needed to simulate "us": characters who believe like us that they are the real thing living in the real physical world...

another thought: from the perspective of the characters (real or imaginary) living in that mixed reality world, i wonder if the creator of the game is the Creator.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

On topic:

I suspect that the universe is a multi-dimensional maze like puzzle and the purpose of intelligence is to figure out a solution to get to the "exit" point.

I suspect that the infinite scale of the universe is there to intimidate intelligence a.k.a. the "participant". At the same time, I suspect abundant hints have been planted all around us.

"Participant" could have multiple IDs or Avatars.

It's possible several rounds (a.k.a. singularities) were already played by the "participant" and each time it gets progressively tougher compared to the previous round. Possible reason being, if it is that easy to "play", where's the fun in that?

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Immersive is the operative word.Thanks for using that!

So to find a solution to get out of the entanglements or attachments to the "real" world we need to create an immersive addictive virtual world!

I would like us to iron out the true meaning of words such as "real", "reality", "realistic". What do they entail?

Real - that which is eternal and unchanging.

Reality- things or situations as they actually are and not what we want them to be

Realistic- that which appears to be real but isnt.

"Creator" could comprise of more than one entity; possibly a civilization so advanced, compared to who we are worse than sign-language-speaking gorillas.

I thought the reference was to the (human) creator/s of the simulations built to understand our "entry" and "exit". It would be a teamwork rather than a lone individual as far as the simulations by human beings are concerned. A case for Monotheism vs polytheism...?

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Angie, I would say "real" is physical and physical is the classical world that emerges from the quantum world as a result of measurement by an observer. This is pretty much indisputable.

A word can be assigned any meaning . As long as the intended meaning gets conveyed I am fine with any word assigned to it. So in this discussion by "real" we could agree to confine to the physical world. As far as the physical or real world is concerned the entry point for an individual person would be at birth and exit at death. Do we need the simulations to find that? There cant be any "next level" in this physical real world as far as the particular physical entity is concerned, or can it be? Any scientific evidence to suggest otherwise?

I will get to your questions but not sure if this thread is appropriate for those purposes. I am beginning to think that the "Illusion" thread by ALD is better suited to continue the discussion.

K, the questions were in reference to the simulated universe that you mentioned in response to Sanathan's question about purpose of Life and death. If we are to study the participants in the simulated world to find answers to these questions we need to first be clear about the nature of these participants in the simulated world. I basically wanted to understand if the participants are to be like an ID assigned to players in a virtual game or say Debate Mansion for that matter with an ID in the "real- physical worls as we know it" running that virtual Id OR are the Ids in the simulations to be independent of any human intervention or control.

Sanathana, I will give my closing comments on the "purpose of life and death" soon. I don't think jnana and bhakti mix and this thread is clearly for devotees only.

Closing comment already! We've barely begun, K ...😆