What is life,purpose of life and death?!

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NightBird123

@NightBird123

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Posted: 7 years ago

Hi all! I'm new here! My name is Sanathana and I wanted to share a few thoughts regarding this! PS: I've no intention of belittling other religions

Please be patient enough to listen How universe was created as per Hinduism. Originally all our souls were a part of Parabrahma(God) , we were happy in the company of Him. But some of us wanted to live independently and away from Him,hence He created this universe for US!! The ultimate goal of human life is to understand that wealth, prosperity,success everything is temporary, only He is eternal and our goal is to attain Moksha(union with Him). But after we come to earth, our mind dominates, it dominates the inner voice of jivatma ( a part of God). Hence some of us are evil, some of us are kind,some good,some bad but ultimately each and every being has a part of God in him. BagavadGita teaches us to keep this mind in control and meet the inner soul which is a part of God. Meeting our soul is the first step of union with God

After death , one goes to heaven/hell as per their karma, but after they have experienced all the results of their karma, they have to come back to earth. This is a vicious cycle. Whether you do good/ bad you'll definitely come back. The only way you can escape this cycle is by union with Him. Many think that Hinduism is polytheistic but no! It is monotheistic and Krishna says that there is only one Parabrahman, Brahma, Shiva, Vishnu, Kali, Ganesh; all are the same.

May the Almighty guide us towards truth
Your thoughts?

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NightBird123

@NightBird123

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Posted: 7 years ago

Why does God take up human form and at times seems vulnerable?
I guess a lot of you might have had a doubt as to why Lord Ram, being a God had to take the help of vanaras to find Sita and why Krishna being a God depended on Yashoda for his upbringing, why God has become more like a mere human being in his descent to Earth?
Krishna shows his viraat swaroop(His universal form) to Arjun after which Arjun replies-
BG 11.45:
After seeing this universal form, which I have never seen before, I am gladdened, but at the same time my mind is disturbed with fear.Therefore please bestow Your grace upon me and reveal again Your form as the Personality of Godhead, O Lord of lords, O abode of the universe.
As you can see the universal form of the Lord has invoked fear and intimidation but not love. Hence God comes on Earth limiting His powers, behaving more human-ly so we can relate to Him and love Him.

Bagavatam 7.1.2:
He(the lord) is not actually dependent but he likes to be dependent on His devotee, this is His mercy

Just shared here as it was related to the topic, I've often found that many Hindus themselves are unaware of the rich heritage of Hinduism.
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beingsirius

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Posted: 7 years ago

Purush created Prakriti and the sentient beings. Now why Brahman or the morphogenetic consciousness field or the ZPF did that I don't know.

But happiness on earth is ephemeral. Even the most handsome, richest, man with beautiful healthy and loving family will one day grow old, his body will become weak and will have to leave that happiness. Who knows whether he will have the same kind of wonderful life in the next birth or not?

And even if he does, as conscious beings we must ask ourselves-Why? WHy go through the same motions over and over? We have to strive for answers.

Thus moksha as the ultimate reality when we lose our egos, our souls, everything, when we become one with the ZPF, seems to be as a worthwhile goal. I don't know if there are worlds beyond that. With my limited mind, I can't even fathom other possibilities yet. I've trouble with time being spiral not linear. Really what're we without time.

Sent with internal body clocks that gave us limited time on this earth to seek answers. That moment is passed and the next is upon us. Even my memories are relevant when I while away that same precious time to indulge in some nostalgia.

We react to situations according to the personalities we've developed over a life time. The soul sanskaras form thus and we pigeonhole ourselves.

But kids who could remember their past lives have talked about being stardust and the limitless love, peace and warmth they felt in that state.

If I could, I would've retreated into the forests long ago. But being limited by this female body, I feel even more constrained.

Anyway, there is no heaven and hell in Sanatan Dharma.

You get fruits of good and bad karma in earth itself.

For example, when Shri Ram had killed King Vali by deceit, he had to bear the fruits of his karma in the next birth. Shri Krishna was shot by Jara in the foot. Jara was King Vali in the previous birth. See, Vishnu avatars also subjected themselves to the rules of karma.

Let me tell you, you've probably heard of the Divide and Rule policy of the British invaders, right. Well, they weren't just lying on their backsides the entire time. They also stole out vedas, Upanishads etc and injected poison like heaven and hell concept.

Only four original mutts were created by Adi Shankracharya. Thousands of mutts came up during British rule. They did propaganda and injected all kinds of poisons into the scriptures. Brahmo Samaj and Arya Samaj types were also part of Divide and Rule. The ultimate aim was of course to make the Hindu self-loathing.

It's damn easy when you read any verse from the Upanishads or Nasadiya Sukta and compare it to the drivel that was injected.

Let me elaborate a bit more. BR Ambedkar who couldn't even read Sanskrit wrote a voluminous book Riddles in Hinduism. You and I can't read so many ancient Indian scriptures in one lifetime and Ambedkar who didn't even know Sanskrit, read all that? Truth is he was told the places where poison and falsehoods were injected. And he wrote about those places only.

Truth will dawn.

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NightBird123

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Posted: 7 years ago

^^I'm just learning so please correct me if Im wrong. As far as I know, there is a concept of swarga (ruled by Indra) and Narak (ruled by Yama) in Sanathana Dharma. But after the person bears the result of his karma he comes back to Earth. But I do agree that we bear the results of our Karma on the Earth too.

I agree that people in order to defame Hinduism bring caste system into discussion.It's absurd. Caste system exists even in Christianity and Islam but why everyone speaks about Hindu's caste system is difficult for me to comprehend. Also the castes Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras are based on one's work and was never a birth right. It was never told that one caste is superior to other

We all got screwed up the day we made English mandatory in schools and Sanskrit as an optional subject. People come and misquote our vedas and upanishads But we have nothing to say as we ourselves are not aware of our rich heritage

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beingsirius

@beingsirius

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Posted: 7 years ago

That concept was injected into Sanatan Dharma. See, other religions had a single holy book that listed dos and don'ts and the whole idea was that other way is the best way. Concept of heaven and hell was then necessary to scare people and fool them that they will be saved only if they follow their way.

Yama is the lord of death not of hell. And Indra is the lord of the Devas. The Devas and Danavas were in reality two opposite poles.

Shukracharya was the teacher of the Danavas and Brihaspati was the teacher of the devas. The Danavas were not cannibal savage monsters as depicted in Indian tv serials. Think about it. Maya Danava till today was the world's foremost expert architect and vastu expert.

The Mayans worshipped Maya Danava.

Patala loka was the opposite end of the earth, ie South America not a land beneath the earth. King Mahabali, a Danava king was exiled to Patala Loka by Lord Vamana when Lord Indra, god of devas had complained to Lord Vishnu as he had declared himself king of the world.

The vedas were not written by men. They were revealed to seers. There is prefect sacred geometry and meter inherent in the vedas. Anything injected sticks out like a sore thumb even on that criteria.

Hindu gods are cosmic allegories.

3 templates were created to explain existence.

First is Advaita Vedanta

Second is Dvaita Vedanta

Third is Sankhya

Advaita vedanta has Brahman as the morphogenetic consciousness field. the empty space within the atom, the vast cosmos.

Dvaita vedanta- Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh as creator/mediator/destroyer that control opposite poles.

Like cathods/anode

evaporation/condensation

aerobic/anaerobic

The two poles eat into each other constantly to keep the universe in a constant state of change or flux. Change is the only constant.

When one increases, the other decreases seamlessly to ensure existence.

Sankhya-Purusha is the changeless aspect of consciousness. Prakriti is the changing dynamic exciting energy. By uniting with Purusha. Prakriti gave from to his spirit and created the universe.

Below:Verses from Nasadiya Sukta by Adi Shankracharya. The lofty minds wander about existence and the state of being and non-being. Where is the space for heaven and hell concept.

Puranas were created with personalised gods for the common people.

VERSE NO 1

nasadasinno sadasittadanim | nasidrajo no vyoma paro yat |

kimavarivah kuhakasya sharmann | ambhah kimasidgahanam gabhiram \\1||

There was NO existence then , nor non-existence.

No realm of air yet , nor etheric aakasha beyond..

What cloaked all, where, by whose maya ?

Did not the cosmic waters pervade dark and deep !.

VERSE NO 2

na mrutyurasidamrutam na tarhi | na ratrya ahna asitpraketah |

anidavatam svadhaya tadekam | tasmaddhanyannaparah ki~jchanasa || 2 ||

There was no cycle of birth or decay

Nor a mediator for darkness and light

The field of consciousness breathed , self sustaining .

Apart from morphogenetic BrahmAn , there was none !

VERSE NO 3-

tama asittamasa guhlamagre praketam | salilam sarvamaidam |

tuchchenabhvapihitam yadasit | tamasastanmahina jayataikam || 3 ||

Dark energy concealed in darkness

A continuum of dark cosmic ocean

Then That which lay in void thus covered

Burst forth in glory self excited by intent

VERSE NO 4

kamastadagre samavartatadhi | manaso retah prathamam yadasit |

sato bandhumasati niravindanna | hrudi pratishya kavayo manisha || 4 ||

In the great cosmic mind all pervading

Vibrations of Kama sprout from conscious thought

The seers who have searched within with wisdom

Have witnessed the conscious equation between matter and energy

VERSE NO 5

tirashchino vitato rashmireshamadhah | svidasi duparisvidasi |

retodha asanmahiman asanna | svadho avastat prayatih parastat || 5 ||

An oblique ray cut Being from Non-being .

What was described above, and what below this screen?

Above was the power of conscious intent ,

Below was the strength of creative discipline

VERSE NO 6

ko addha veda ka iha pravochat | kut ajata kut iyam visrushtih |

arvagdeva asya visarjanaya | atha ko veda yata ababhuva || 6 ||

Who really knows? Who in this world may declare it!

When was this holographic exhalation , whence will be the pralaya inhalation?

Only after this holographic projection ( ADVAITA )came the field gods

Who move nature's opposites ( DVAITA ) . Who truly can say !

VERSE NO 7

iyam visrushtiryata ababhuva | yadi va dadhe yadi va na |

yo asyadhyakshah parame vyomann | so amga veda yadi va na veda || 7 ||

He from whom this creation arose,

He may hold the reins , or he may not ( for no one else can !)

He who surveys it all from his highest heaven,

He verily knows it, or perhaps even he does not ? (What say you ?)

What a paradox in the last line. If He himself does not hold the reins or He does not know, (What say you) do You know?

One who has pondered about the mysteries has wondered the same -about the eerie nothingness where there is no space and time.

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Summer3

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Posted: 7 years ago

The river of time drags us towards the sea, some slower and others a bit faster... a few go against the tide to help those stuck halfway ... in the end all will reach the sea

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sudesh kumar

@qwertyesque

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Posted: 7 years ago

"Originally all our souls were a part of Parabrahma(God) , we were happy in the company of Him"

Ok this is enough... I think you need to call the help line. All this is kinda of religious hallucination!!!!

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NightBird123

@NightBird123

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: qwertyesque
"Originally all our souls were a part of Parabrahma(God) , we were happy in the company of Him"
Ok this is enough... I think you need to call the help line. All this is kinda of religious hallucination!!!!

I'm a medical student and we are very well taught the difference between hallucinations and beliefs. If you do not believe in whatever I've said you could have reacted normally without making any comment on my mental condition. Hinduism defines this world as maya( an illusion), the more you go deep into it, the more you get stuck in this illusion.And very recently modern science discovers this aspect, that all the matter in the universe are just packets of energy and hence an illusion, and that the past,present and future coexist. If you want, I can show documentaries regarding this as you feel religious beliefs are hallucinations.The starking similarities between religious teachings and modern science are only coincidences for you?😳

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@K.Universe.

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: SanathanaDharma

How universe was created as per Hinduism. Originally* all our souls were a part of Parabrahma(God) , we were happy in the company of Him. But some of us wanted to live independently and away from Him,hence He created this universe for US!!

Your thoughts?

If you say He created this universe for us, what do you think is His purpose / intention behind creating this vast limitless universe while at the same time relegating us to this insignificant speck of dust called earth? In other words, what according to you was His point in creating all that space, those infinite number of galaxies full of stars, planets, rocks, gas, space dust etc., when all our Jivatmas apparently need is just earth?

Even so, after "creating" earth more than 4.5 billion years ago, why did He wait for more than 4.4 billion years before "transforming" those souls to Humans?

@Originally*: when was this? How long ago?

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NightBird123

@NightBird123

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: K.Universe.

If you say He created this universe for us, what do you think is His purpose / intention behind creating this vast limitless universe while at the same time relegating us to this insignificant speck of dust called earth? In other words, what according to you was His point in creating all that space, those infinite number of galaxies full of stars, planets, rocks, gas, space dust etc., when all our Jivatmas apparently need is just earth?

Even so, after "creating" earth more than 4.5 billion years ago, why did He wait for more than 4.4 billion years before "transforming" those souls to Humans?

@Originally*: when was this? How long ago?

I'm not much knowledgable but I'm sure there is some explanation for the first question you asked. First of all, Sanathana Dharma cant be learnt by a single book. And some people actually believe that non living things also have soul/ aatman but their consciousness is in a deep dormant stage. So it's very difficult to say if the infinite matter in universe has aatman/not.
I can answer your second question, regarding evolution. So it's a long and complicated story but I'll try to make it as simple as possible for you
Science describes evolution as physical development( basically development of higher order organ systems) whereas Hinduism along with physical evolution also describes spiritual evolution.
Our universe is primarily made of three gunas
1) Satva- goodness
2) Rajas- passion
3) Tamas- greed/ ignorance
As I said the universe was created for fallen souls ( souls who wanted to live away from Him, independently) So the primary souls which existed were predominantly Tamas ( ignorant/ not aware of His existence/ filled with greed). This category consists of all the primordial organisms which existed on Earth.
Slowly the attitude of Rajas ( passion) developed, there was a passion to survive hence better organs were developed . Then manas(mind) developed, with limited ability to think
Finally, Humans with buddhi(critical thinking) developed. We have the ability to think and the ability to know about God and reach Him.Humans are basically a mixture of all the three qualities satva, tamas and rajas (Please note that I've explained evolution in three basic stages to simplify it otherwise there are lots of stages in evolution)Krishna in Bagavad Gita says that birth as a Human is obtained after a lot of struggles in previous lives as different creatures. Humans are superior to other beings as they have an opportunity to worship God and attain the ultimate goal, moksha( salvation) . So He says that one must use this opportunity of being a human wisely to reach the ultimate goal.Hence the evolution is actually a spiritual development too, where with each stage we became more intelligent and we actually got more close to Him.

Third question you asked, universe is nearly 150 billion years old

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