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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: SanathanaDharma


Even now, I can list thousands of examples where our ancient texts have written about scientific principles which were discovered quite recently but I know you aren't interested in that.



I would love to see these "thousands of examples of scientific principles" documented in the said ancient texts. Please list them out rather than posting links so we could debate each of them leisurely.

Originally posted by: SanathanaDharma


Ancient texts have not talked about hypothesis, they spoke about truth.



What makes them "Truths"? What criteria was used to determine the accuracy of these "truths"?


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Posted: 7 years ago
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I don't know but it must have a purpose or we have to give it some purpose. Living like with no morals like partying all the time or doing drugs or having sex always or being selfish and throwing your parents in old age homes has consequences for mental and physical health.
Some people think like that-they think that because this life is done and their parents can't do anything to them so let us enjoy and just spend all money on ourselves. But this is very destructive I think. The kids insult their parents as we can see on American sitcoms.
The parents go to care homes and are lonely.
Kids live alone at home while both parents work and sometimes they get into wrong habits because they have no one to talk to. And they can relate better to their grandparents.
Basically, there's little support. So a lot of people get into drugs and commit suicide because they've no values like good/bad or morality.
So I don't know if karma exists or not because many times you see bad things happening to really good people.
So I feel that the very intelligent people who created modern societies maybe came up with the idea of karma to scare unscrupulous people to behave themselves and make society better in general.
I see many South American and European people who became Hindus and sing mantras and chantings. Deva Premal's CDs are so popular.
I don't know what happens after death but in general it seems that we can follow the Indian ways because at least their ways are very very old. I am anyway not much into partying and all that stuff and am very hermit like so being good is not a problem. Hopefully it pays off for me. I'm psychic also a little bit and I feel like an alien on this planet and like I'll go to some other world after death. I feel this is my last birth here.
Many psychics are saying the poles are shifting and it seems to be true scientifically also. I think maybe it's time for tenth avatar Kalki Avatar. I hope to get a bird's eye view of what happens now.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@K
-Time is a relative quantity
Only after Einstein our modern science discovered this aspect that if one travels with more than speed of light, then time becomes relative. Do you know? This was said in Hinduism long back, that the time in Brahmaloka is different than in Earth.One day of Brahma= 8.6 billion Earth years. Could anyone imagine some thousands of years ago that time could be relative ? Even Newton couldn't imagine 😛
-Earth being round Described in Vishnu Puran
-Universe is an illusion
Something which modern science has discovered recently that nothing ever exists
-Distance between sun and planets described accurately in Surya Puran. The values by modern science and surya Puran coincide
- Sky being blue is an illusion(this topic is done and dusted)
-Caluculus described first in our Sanskrit texts.
-Earth being 4.6 billion years old.
Described accurately in our texts but before we used to think that it is 5000 yrs old
- The theory of evolution is supported by Hinduism
Want any more?
Edited by SanathanaDharma - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: nigahen

I don't know but it must have a purpose or we have to give it some purpose. Living like with no morals like partying all the time or doing drugs or having sex always or being selfish and throwing your parents in old age homes has consequences for mental and physical health.

Some people think like that-they think that because this life is done and their parents can't do anything to them so let us enjoy and just spend all money on ourselves. But this is very destructive I think. The kids insult their parents as we can see on American sitcoms.
The parents go to care homes and are lonely.
Kids live alone at home while both parents work and sometimes they get into wrong habits because they have no one to talk to. And they can relate better to their grandparents.
Basically, there's little support. So a lot of people get into drugs and commit suicide because they've no values like good/bad or morality.
So I don't know if karma exists or not because many times you see bad things happening to really good people.
So I feel that the very intelligent people who created modern societies maybe came up with the idea of karma to scare unscrupulous people to behave themselves and make society better in general.
I see many South American and European people who became Hindus and sing mantras and chantings. Deva Premal's CDs are so popular.
I don't know what happens after death but in general it seems that we can follow the Indian ways because at least their ways are very very old. I am anyway not much into partying and all that stuff and am very hermit like so being good is not a problem. Hopefully it pays off for me. I'm psychic also a little bit and I feel like an alien on this planet and like I'll go to some other world after death. I feel this is my last birth here.
Many psychics are saying the poles are shifting and it seems to be true scientifically also. I think maybe it's time for tenth avatar Kalki Avatar. I hope to get a bird's eye view of what happens now.


Regarding bad things happening to good people, I feel it could be the karma of their past lives
Kalyuga duration is 432, 000 years , and Kalyuga started 5000 yrs ago. So there are still 427,000 more years for Kalki avatar to come
You know what! I feel foreigners are the only one who understand our religion perfectly, otherwise all I see nowadays is Indian Hindus bashing their own religion in the name of being secular
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Precession of planet earth is calculated to be 25,765 years, which is the time taken by the sun to 'precess' i.e. move backwards, through the 12 zodiac constellations.

This 25765 years in NOT uniform over time, for as of now the precession rate is increasing and the time duration is decreasing .


As per the 7000 year old Vedas , the precession mean is 24000 years which is one yuga cycle.

Quote Lord Krishna in the Bhagwad Gita.
"Those who understand the cosmic laws know that the Day of Brahma ends after a thousand yugas and the Night of Brahma ends after a thousand yugas. When the day of Brahma dawns,, forms are brought forth from the Unmanifest; When the night of Brahma comes, these forms merge in the Formless again. This multitude of beings is created and destroyed again and again in the succeeding days and nights of Brahma."

This means that a 'Day of Brahma' lasts for 12,000 multiplied by 1000 or 12 million years, which is followed by a 'Night of Brahma' of equal duration.
In Sanatan Dharma, we call it inhalation and exhalation of Brahma.
As per the Laws of Manu, the Yuga Cycle is of 12,000 years duration, and is comprised of four Yugas, or World Ages Krita or Satya, Treta, Dwapar and Kali.
As humanity moves from the Krita Yuga to the Kali Yuga, the level of virtue and human capanilities, both physical and mental, gradually decrease. and reaches the nadir in the Kali, Yuga, the Dark age.
24000 multiplied by 360 gives a value of 4,320,000 years to follow the golden spiral of time.
Cosmic mechanism is a Golden Spiral, not a stagnant circle.
A cycle of four yugas takes 25765 years (instead of 4,320,000).
Precession of earth is approx. 50.26 seconds every years. (1 degree=60 minutes and 1 minute=60 seconds)

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlVgEoZDjok[/YOUTUBE]
As per our Puranas, the stalk of the Lotus flower emerges from the navel of Lord Vishnu. It's not just a simple flower but an amazing allegory.
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5LyILdwPkg[/YOUTUBE]

Manu Samhita says :
chatvaaryahu sahsrani varshanaantu kritam yugam
tasya tavchhati sandhya sandhyanshrshch tathavidhah
itreshu sasandhyeshu sasandhyaansheshu ch trishu
ekapayen vartante sahsrani shatani ch
yadetat parisankhyaatmadadev chaturyugam
aetad dwadash-sahstram devaanaam yugmuchyate
daivikanaam yuggnaantu sahastram prisankhyayaa
braahmaikamahgyeyam taatati raatriraiv ch

Four thousands of years, they say, is the Krita Yuga (Satya Yuga). Its morning twilight has just as many hundreds, and its period of evening dusk is of the same length (i.e., 400+4000+400=4800). In the other three ages, with their morning and evening twilights, the thousands and the hundreds decrease by one (i.e., 300+3000+300=3600; etc.). That fourfold cycle comprising of 12,000 years is called an Age of the Gods. The sum of a thousand divine ages constitutes one day of Brahma; and of the same length is its night.


Edited by beingsirius - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: SanathanaDharma


the time in Brahmaloka is different than in Earth.One day of Brahma= 8.6 billion Earth years. Could anyone imagine some thousands of years ago that time could be relative ? Even Newton couldn't imagine





Originally posted by: beingsirius


a 'Day of Brahma' lasts for 12,000 multiplied by 1000 or 12 million years, which is followed by a 'Night of Brahma' of equal duration.
In Sanatan Dharma, we call it inhalation and exhalation of Brahma.




Sanathana,

You gave your stamp of approval to beingsirius' post which means you agree with her so the question then becomes, is a "day of Brahma' (whatever that means) equal to 8.6 billion Earth years or 12 million years?

Please make up your minds regarding this "day of Brahma' (whatever that means) and get back to me with the "right answer".

As for equating this imaginary concept to Einstein's time dilation theory, that's not how it works in special relativity. The rates of clocks are determined by observers who are in relative motion with respect to those clocks. Simultaneity is an observer-dependent notion. Also, If the first observer's notion of simultaneity is used, the second observer's clock runs slower than the first observer's and if the second observer's notion of simultaneity is used, the first observer's clock runs slower by the same factor. So, if a "day of Brahma' (whatever that means) equals to 8.6 billion Earth years (or 12 million years), it would also mean that a day on earth would equal to 8.6 billion Earth years (or 12 million years) on "Brahmaloka"!

I will however agree that it was a pretty imaginative concept for those times 😊

Rest of the examples are too easy but if you insist then some other time...




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Posted: 7 years ago
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purpose of life comes down to whose life you are talking about. If it's chicken, i think their primary purpose is to provide tasty stuff to non-vegetarians. It cant be to just cackle and lay eggs, can it?😆

As far as i am concerned, my current purpose of life is to fcuk around and have a good time. There's always time to figure out bigger stuff like meaning etc, that is if there is any meaning in the first place.

purpose of death? I cant see what purpose it serves unless its to recycle used-up bodies.
Edited by BirdieNumNum - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: K.Universe.



Sanathana,

You gave your stamp of approval to beingsirius' post which means you agree with her so the question then becomes, is a "day of Brahma' (whatever that means) equal to 8.6 billion Earth years or 12 million years?

Please make up your minds regarding this "day of Brahma' (whatever that means) and get back to me with the "right answer".


I was randomly jotting down the things I could remember.And Im very bad at remembering numbers but beingsirius has provided credible sources hence I liked the comment😃




Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Rest of the examples are too easy but if you insist then some other time...




Ofcourse the rest are easy for someone who is in 21st century with all the advanced technology, but we used to believe in crap like Earth is flat, sun revolves around Earth etc. And since you believe that all the scriptures are imaginary, can you explain how they could imagine the distance between the sun and planets so accurately?
Edited by SanathanaDharma - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: SanathanaDharma



And since you believe that all the scriptures are imaginary, can you explain how they could imagine the distance between the sun and planets so accurately?



You misunderstand me. There is no question that there were some brilliant scholars and intellectuals such as Aryabhata, Bhaskara, Brahmagupta and Sushruta who emerged from the Indian subcontinent who made mighty contributions to the fields of mathematics, astronomy and medicine. My problem with some of your posts is that you are mixing Jnana with Bhakti.

I have utmost respect for Jnana (knowledge) and I have tremendous respect for knowledgeable people.

Bhakti is fine it its place as long as you keep it personal and not tout every proposition as True!

BTW, is the debate still about "the purpose of life and death"?
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: SanathanaDharma

I'm a medical student and we are very well taught the difference between hallucinations and beliefs. If you do not believe in whatever I've said you could have reacted normally without making any comment on my mental condition. Hinduism defines this world as maya( an illusion), the more you go deep into it, the more you get stuck in this illusion.And very recently modern science discovers this aspect, that all the matter in the universe are just packets of energy and hence an illusion, and that the past,present and future coexist. If you want, I can show documentaries regarding this as you feel religious beliefs are hallucinations.The starking similarities between religious teachings and modern science are only coincidences for you?😳


I think this should be added to hippocrates' oath that you cant have religious leanings even on grounds of agnosticism!!! Life may be a Maya or no Maya.. death is a reality... once someone dies..(medically speaking) they cease to be - cant be seen, felt (physically)or heard - however we might hallucinate more..using more illusions, signs of existence. or start seeking after life comforts...etc...

Btw I didn't intend insinuate on your medical condition but made a general comment.

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