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_Angie_

@_Angie_

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Posted: 7 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Hey Angie!!!

Thanks for clarifying.

So some "unhappy" waves separated from the ocean, became particles, lead miserable lives most of the time with some good moments few and far between, only to realize at the end of an arduous journey that they were waves all along.

Got it.

Hi K !!! How are you doing? DM looks so dead! Most of the souls seem to have deserted it . Glad to see a few familiar ones still here :))

The concept of a Sat- Chit- Anand Parmatma/ Creator and atma /jivatma "separating for "more happiness explanation offered does not gel ! A better way to put forth could be that the Creator wished to experience its myriad aspects through different individuations. Happy-unhappy is all a play as long as one doesn't get too caught up in it.

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NightBird123

@NightBird123

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Posted: 7 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: _Angie_

In the Gita (4.5) Krishna says to Arjuna 'Many a birth have I passed through, O Arjuna, and so have you. I know them all, but you know them not, O scorcher of foes.'

Memories are a part of the mind, the mind dissolves with the gross body upon death. What is carried from one life to another are 'impressions' on the jiva. If you do something with all your heart and do something repeatedly every day, then it will make a deep impression that will carry forward to and manifest in your next life. If you teach yourself to love God with all your heart it will carry forward as an impression to your next life even though you don't attain moksha in this life.

Edited by SanathanaDharma - 7 years ago

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@K.Universe.

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Posted: 7 years ago

#23

Sanathana, you have a lot of conviction in your replies, but I hope you realize that there is no evidence to support any of the assertions you made thus far. I understand you are attributing most of your clams to some ancient texts but even there it's obvious your interpretations are inaccurate. Take for instance these two statements: But in Kalyuga as it is stage of immorality, even chanting the name of Lord everyday can make one attain moksha. It is extremely easy to attain moksha in Kalyuga.Disregarding the rather strange phrase "stage of immortality" for a minute, as far as I know Bhakti yoga never mentions that attaining salvation in this Yuga is extremely easy! As for your other contention that "the happiness that one experiences in Vaikunta( the abode of Lord) is nearly 10^6 times that we experience on Earth.", again it's a bizarre number you pulled there, I don't know how that was derived and on what basis, but I don't think I want to know either.

Yes, consciousness is not completely accounted for and it's not proven yet that consciousness emanates from matter but that doesn't mean the argument in favor of Panpsychism has won.

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NightBird123

@NightBird123

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Posted: 7 years ago

#24

^^ By "extremely easy " I didn't mean to say that it is some child's play to attain moksha in this yuga, ofcourse it is difficult,but if you compare it with Satya yuga;it is easy. So the word easy is a relative term that I've used. Kalyuga is yuga of immorality,because there are crimes happening every second in this world and most of the times criminals escape from punishment too, this yuga is when there is a lot of adharma. The immorality would increase to an extent that after some thousands of years(as said in Bagavatam) almost everyone living in the world would be a sinner, and Lord Kalki( the 10 th avatar ) will annihilate everything in the world to start a new cycle with Satya Yuga which is golden age when there are no negative feelings like ego/ jealousy/ sorrow/anxiety.

I understand why some people find it difficult to believe in ancient texts. But I would like to go a bit off topic and ask a question, what is the gaurantee that all the theories that have been postulated by scientists are true, I mean there can be scope of experimental errors too. ( I have immense respect for the contributions of these scientists)Whenever a new discovery is made, it is submitted to a committee of some scientists and if approved by them, it is published. Similarly a lot of learned men have approved these ancient texts, have experienced the ultimate reality by reading them.

Coming to the no. 10^6, I have read it somewhere but unable to remember where I've read

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@K.Universe.

Voyager

Posted: 7 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: SanathanaDharma

But I would like to go a bit off topic and ask a question, what is the gaurantee that all the theories that have been postulated by scientists are true, I mean there can be scope of experimental errors too. ( I have immense respect for the contributions of these scientists)Whenever a new discovery is made, it is submitted to a committee of some scientists and if approved by them, it is published. Similarly a lot of learned men have approved these ancient texts, have experienced the ultimate reality by reading them.

Mostly agree with your argument but there are some fundamental differences between science and pseudoscience. You may check them out here: https://physics.weber.edu/carroll/honors/pseudoscience.htm

What I like about the process adopted by science is a) reproducible results b) no personal stories c) evidence based on experimentation as well as logical and mathematical reasoning d) the freedom to discard a hypothesis when experiment results don't prove the hypothesis

Here's a real life example for you as to why science (and not pseudoscience) should be the way to go: https://www.sciencealert.com/harvard-scientists-think-they-ve-pinpointed-the-neural-source-of-consciousness.

If you read the above article,you would appreciate that not only did they narrow down consciousness to two regions in the cortex by research and then analyzing 36 patients with brain-stem lesions, they then double checked their work by looking at fMRI scans of 45 more patients who are in a vegetative state, then finally acknowledged that they need to further verify their findings across a larger group of patients! That to me is, thorough! That's how it should be done to separate facts from fiction and fairy tales.

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_Angie_

@_Angie_

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Posted: 7 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: SanathanaDharma

That question is altogether a different topic. Do you believe that evolution happened in Satya yuga?
I thought you were referring to human evolution but I see that since the yugas are also cyclical there need not be an end point or a starting point.

Then definitely primordial organisms like prokaryotes, early eukaryotes would have tamas only. Because the primordial organisms don't have the ability to think, how can they possibly reach God .

Are you implying that the souls born as these lesser evolved organisms are stuck! They are unable to think of God so cannot evolve. Since they cannot evolve they will never be able to think! So how would these souls evolve into human souls?

A lot has been said and written about the human souls but the souls in primordial creatures is more intriguing ! Eg In amoeba like creature who can reproduce or divide itself by binary fission, which of the part will retain the original soul? Or would it also divide! Moreover, Amoeba doesn't even have a pineal gland which you mentioned as the seat of a soul! Assuming it resides in the nucleus , what would happen when the nucleus divides into two separate cells. Does everything alive have a soul? What about the trillion cells in our body. They are living cells too! Some of these cells like the WBCs are quite amoeba like with the pseudopodia and predatory activities. Do they too have a soul each? The daughter cells do carry the memory of antigenic exposure of the parent cell and pass it on to the next.

Regarding humans, yes, satya yuga has humans with predominantly satva. It was the golden age where there was nothing like diseases/ misery. Hence it was even more difficult to attain moksha in Satya Yuga. People had to do penance for thousands of years to attain moksha. But in Kalyuga as it is stage of immorality, even chanting the name of Lord everyday can make one attain moksha. It is extremely easy to attain moksha in Kalyuga. One need not do any difficult penance, just remebering the Lord's name will give you moksha

This seems to be quite unfair unless it is some sort of an off season discount!

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NightBird123

@NightBird123

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Posted: 7 years ago

#27

Again, I'm not discrediting science at all! I didn't understand why you posted such a long explanation about science lol. Being a medical student, I have immense love and respect for this subject. I was only trying to draw an analogy between science and our ancient texts. Even now, I can list thousands of examples where our ancient texts have written about scientific principles which were discovered quite recently but I know you aren't interested in that. Recently I read a blog about how our sages knew about a lot of the nature's secrets some thousands of years ago. I'll share it in case you're interested.

And pardon me I've not read the links you've shared( I'll read them in my spare time) , when you talk about discrediting hypothesis, I don't even understand how this matter fits into discussion. Ancient texts have not talked about hypothesis, they spoke about truth. For ex- Sky being blue is an illusion
-Ancient texts have said that it is an illusion, no explanation offered.
- While modern science tries to explain this phenomenon. Hence scientists postulate hypothesis to explain the phenomenon and they can be discarded as and when new evidence is found.
BUT, how can you possibly discard the truth?
( Please don't take the literal sense of the example I've mentioned, it's just to draw an analogy

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NightBird123

@NightBird123

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Posted: 7 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: _Angie_

Haha! I'll let you know once the scientists find out where the soul resides in unicellular organisms 😆
But it is believed that their consciousness is in a deep dormant stage. I've explained about evolution in my other post, if you're interested, do take the pain to read 😳
@Last para How is it unfair 😆 It is the most fair thing actually, if the paper (yuga) is difficult the pass mark(attaining moksha) must be less and if is easy the pass mark should be more! As simple as that 😆

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NightBird123

@NightBird123

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Posted: 7 years ago

#29

Ohh by the way, caluculus was first described in our Sanskrit tests. I'll attach the link in case you guys are interested

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_Angie_

@_Angie_

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Posted: 7 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: SanathanaDharma

Haha! I'll let you know once the scientists find out where the soul resides in unicellular organisms 😆
But it is believed that their consciousness is in a deep dormant stage.

Yeah, no brainstem in unicellular organism 😆

I've explained about evolution in my other post, if you're interested, do take the pain to read 😳

I did read it but cant get around the fallen soul bit being born with tamas 😳 Souls who were close to the paramatma should have started off well and gradually deteriorated. As the separation grew, their energy levels fell like journey from satyuga to kalyuga.
@Last para How is it unfair 😆 It is the most fair thing actually, if the paper (yuga) is difficult the pass mark(attaining moksha) must be less and if is easy the pass mark should be more! As simple as that 😆

OK! I get it now 😆.

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