Define Desi - Page 2

Originally posted by: Swar_Raj

Thanks Sareg ji. 👏 But looks lie it is taken in to many aspects here. Desi kind of refers a generation gap. I rember some one commenting...we migrate but we impose our identity and culture at new place tooa nd it is desi panna...I could never find any logic there. Yes I also beleive in Jaissa desh waissa bhesh, but acknowleding and adopting out culture...is t backwardness

there is always a line and there is always a POV, and almost all of us desis are trying to figure out a way to maintain the balance

when a person is acknowledging their culture, he/she is considered backward

when a person is adopting the Jaisa Desh waissa bhesh, he/she is considered, na ghar ka na ghatka😉

It is more a problem for the children, than for adults, at home they are enforced Desi values and outside they have to learn the "par"desi culture.

Originally posted by: sareg

there is always a line and there is always a POV, and almost all of us desis are trying to figure out a way to maintain the balance

when a person is acknowledging their culture, he/she is considered backward

when a person is adopting the Jaisa Desh waissa bhesh, he/she is considered, na ghar ka na ghatka😉

It is more a problem for the children, than for adults, at home they are enforced Desi values and outside they have to learn the "par"desi culture.

As per me Sareg ji, Desi should be referring origin, but the way it is used is refering the adoptation. Which really gets confusing. May be you have not seen such incidences. And may be u r right for dhobhi ka kutta , ghar ka na ghat ka. But I really donot mind adopting certain things. My kids go to swimming clinic (Interschool) Now there is a arabic girl, who does not wear swiming costume saying body exposer in religion is not allowed. She wears full lenght leggings, Full size maxi something that covers her whole body. I cannot do that. I cannot force my religion this way. Also Somehow i feel it is not hygenic. Yes it is my POV. but sometime Jiassa desh waissa bhesh is required to some extent. I donot mind celebrating Christmas and Thanksgiving but donot neglect Diwali or Holi.. I guess the right word is to find balance.

Originally posted by: MNMS

Swar ji... no need to shay chowrryyy 😳 😛 ...but where are "i love u,Maryam!" sentencesss u don't like me 😭 cho sad!! 😆 😆 😆

for me.. this desi-ness is the gap of the cultures of ur motherland and the place where u live. Now evolution is taking place everywhere.. our parents don't know the developments in the traditions in our motherland in current times, unknowingly they impose/set/refer/teach the traditions of past 20 yrs to the generation of 21st century...

This attitude, along with the normal generation gap every family faces, adds up to the increase of that particular "Desi-ness" ... which i think sometime needs to be flexible. i think we have lost the balance we wished to keep "How much percentage of desi-ness and how😃 much %age of new culture should we give to our children?" 😕 Confused?? 😕 i think i need to search more answers on this one 😳 😳 😆

i love you Mariyam 😆 and find more answers😃

Originally posted by: mythili_Kiran

😳 [Mythili... Swar Raj is not a man... plz address her as "She" as one time i misunderstood her as belonging from the male fraternity of humanity😳.. u are not alone culprit of this Venus Mars flight!!😆]

Maryam!!! I'm really scared to address people of DM these days.I will address all the debators as "friend" from now !!!

I'm a desi in this type of things!!!

Rings a bell here....😆

Originally posted by: MNMS

Swar ji... no need to shay chowrryyy 😳 😛 ...but where are "i love u,Maryam!" sentencesss u don't like me 😭 cho sad!! 😆 😆 😆

for me.. this desi-ness is the gap of the cultures of ur motherland and the place where u live. Well Said..👏. I would like to add it by saying that Desi is a mental state of mind. A second generation American is still a desi because of his parentage although he knows little-to-nothing about Des. Now evolution is taking place everywhere.. our parents don't know the developments in the traditions in our motherland in current times, unknowingly they impose/set/refer/teach the traditions of past 20 yrs to the generation of 21st century... I disagree.. So are you saying that by sending the kids to Hindi classes or asking the children to participate in Ramayana and Mahbharta plays, we are "imposing" our tradition on them which do not behoove a 21st century lifestyle. Are we (Indians/Desis) the only one who think like this? Seems like that. Every religion and faith tries hard to maintain it's identity through the cultural heritage. In fact, I believe that desis are among the most liberals of the lots. Compare them with Greeks or Jewish or Turk or Chinese community. These communities are much more steadfast in maintaining their culture than we (desis) are. I believe it is a gift that we hand down to next generation and not heaping a burden on them. Right now, the kids may think that this is a burden because this is something that they have to endure in addtion to regular un"desi" things. But this generation will be very greatful for all their parents gave them.

This attitude, along with the normal generation gap every family faces, adds up to the increase of that particular "Desi-ness" ... which i think sometime needs to be flexible. I fail to undertand the meaning of "desi" now because up till now, I used to link this word to our culture..i think we have lost the balance we wished to keep "How much percentage of desi-ness and how much %age of new culture should we give to our children?"% of what? Is there a metrics here that we are trying to define? 😕 Confused?? 😕 i think i need to search more answers on this one 😳 😳 😆

Originally posted by: MNMS

Mr.CKY..unfortunately u misinterpreted my statement.

I used the word "Evolution"... Does evolution means leaving the roots behind to copycat the new traditions?? NO! Evolution is the extension of the basics to an advanced level. If evolution wouldn't be there, we would still be living in rock age 😛

[quote=CKY]I disagree.. So are you saying that by sending the kids to Hindi classes or asking the children to participate in Ramayana and Mahbharta plays, we are "imposing" our tradition on them which do not behoove a 21st century lifestyle. [/quote]

I NEVER said taking kids to hindi/cultural classes is an imposition... my former statements are quite flexible.. in this particulat example.. i use the word "Teach/refer" (referred in my early statement)

And wht is a 21st century lifestyle? It is merely an effect of the globalization which differs it from former eras.


[quote=CKY]Are we (Indians/Desis) the only one who think like this? Seems like that. Every religion and faith tries hard to maintain it's identity through the cultural heritage. In fact, I believe that desis are among the most liberals of the lots. Compare them with Greeks or Jewish or Turk or Chinese community. These communities are much more steadfast in maintaining their culture than we (desis) are. I believe it is a gift that we hand down to next generation and not heaping a burden on them. Right now, the kids may think that this is a burden because this is something that they have to endure in addtion to regular un"desi" things. But this generation will be very greatful for all their parents gave them. [/quote]

Here wht i say roots intact with the touch of globalization. this should be a formula [which i took as percentages 😛 ] for giving them the essence of their identity..

i have to go.. will be back 😛

MNMS (would like to know how to address you better😛)

I do not think I misinterpreted you. Here is what you said in your first post.

"Now evolution is taking place everywhere.. our parents don't know the developments in the traditions in our motherland in current times, unknowingly they impose/set/refer/teach the traditions of past 20 yrs to the generation of 21st century"

The highlighted statement is a very generalized statement which implies that the parents are not in touch with the traditions in motherland and therefore they "impose" traditions. "Impose" is a very loaded word and my rejoinder is around this whole phrase.

Having said that, your post above is not the same as your previous post. It is much more in agreement with what I responded. 😊. When we say traditions, in general.. again.... in general..... the parents try to instill (not impose) the tradition by these basic methods, sending children to native language classes, participation in plays related to mythological stories. I have not seen many parents... in general.... imposing much more than that.

Originally posted by: ChameliKaYaar

MNMS (would like to know how to address you better😛)

I do not think I misinterpreted you. Here is what you said in your first post.

"Now evolution is taking place everywhere.. our parents don't know the developments in the traditions in our motherland in current times, unknowingly they impose/set/refer/teach the traditions of past 20 yrs to the generation of 21st century"

The highlighted statement is a very generalized statement which implies that the parents are not in touch with the traditions in motherland and therefore they "impose" traditions. "Impose" is a very loaded word and my rejoinder is around this whole phrase.

Having said that, your post above is not the same as your previous post. It is much more in agreement with what I responded. 😊. When we say traditions, in general.. again.... in general..... the parents try to instill (not impose) the tradition by these basic methods, sending children to native language classes, participation in plays related to mythological stories. I have not seen many parents... in general.... imposing much more than that.

i disagreed with ur first statement... agreed on the next para and put my feelings in that. And after all this.. wht u interpret is ur territory irrespective of wht i said😛

i think i still need to clarify my statement🤔 .... well when i said"our parents don't know the developments in the traditions in our motherland in current times" i mean that they were in their native country abt 20-10 yrs ago. in the mean time... our country went through wht i call "Evolution" .... they are unaware of the changes taking place there... and then they impose/set/refer/teach thost 20/10 yrs old concepts/perceptions which are not even relevant in our homeland in this time😕

Along with that .. the fast pace life of 21st century due to the revolution of IT and Globalization which changes everything everyday- a new theory,research,lifestyle etc. taking place. Those "10-20 yrs old perceptions" combined with the generation gap, creates a further distance b/w children and parents....which is interpreted in different ways from both sides😕

PS : enough of my bhashun😆 ...phew!! I felt like going back to the times of my DC lll 😛

Originally posted by: MNMS

i disagreed with ur first statement... agreed on the next para and put my feelings in that. And after all this.. wht u interpret is ur territory irrespective of wht i said😛

i think i still need to clarify my statement🤔 .... well when i said"our parents don't know the developments in the traditions in our motherland in current times" i mean that they were in their native country abt 20-10 yrs ago. in the mean time... our country went through wht i call "Evolution" .... they are unaware of the changes taking place there... and then they impose/set/refer/teach thost 20/10 yrs old concepts/perceptions which are not even relevant in our homeland in this time😕

Along with that .. the fast pace life of 21st century due to the revolution of IT and Globalization which changes everything everyday- a new theory,research,lifestyle etc. taking place. Those "10-20 yrs old perceptions" combined with the generation gap, creates a further distance b/w children and parents....which is interpreted in different ways from both sides😕

PS : enough of my bhashun😆 ...phew!! I felt like going back to the times of my DC lll 😛

Better understanding now.... But I have to ask you... which 10-20 years perceptions specifically are you talking about? I gave example of my view of what parents try to teach their children.. as I have seen... meaning language classes and plays, traditional dance classes etc. To me they are evergreen now and will remain green (I certainly hope so) 50 years down the line. They are our heritage. You seem to agree with these examples.. as above... (I think). So there is something else that you are referring to when you say 10-20 years old perceptions and that is what I am trying to understand.

I think we are pretty close now...😆