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Posted: 9 years ago
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Qwerty, Knowing comes from my own direct and personal experience in my life. Belief comes from what I have learned from others.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Most Indians are not broadminded enough to accept a gay couple into their midst.You could probably find a few liberal ones here and there, but that's about it.So forget the idea of public acceptance.

Now the family, after some initial outbursts, may eventually make amendments for the sake of your friend's happiness.May be they would value his happiness more than their sense of being right.
Also, them being Christians is in your favor.Christians seem to be somewhat more tolerant of the customs accepted and practised in the West, as a result of religious influence.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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That's a very interesting reply. I did some research on Hinduism and Buddhism. And for thousands of years, neither really seem to have a problem with homsexuality. Various hindu-tempels also depict homoromantic love. Yet it is considered taboo nowadays. I always thought this taboo might be because of western influence.
But Christianity in India might be more openminded that Hinduism/Buddhism nowadays? That's a bit sad. Hinduism and Buddhism seem to be a much more tolerant core than Christianity or Islam... but that's the religion itself of course, not the people.

These posts are helpful for me. Thank you all for taking the time to reply. I was born and raised in the Netherlands, so I don't know any better other than 'romance is romance', no matter if it's straight or gay. So if I see romance in Bollywood, I don't see 'romance', not 'straight romance'. It might have been naive of me to think that Indians would see it the same way.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Lodi


But Christianity in India might be more openminded that Hinduism/Buddhism nowadays? That's a bit sad. Hinduism and Buddhism seem to be a much more tolerant core than Christianity or Islam... but that's the religion itself of course, not the people.


Not in that sense.What I meant is that,I find Indian Christians more tolerant of western culture and hence possibly of homosexuality as well, as it is accepted in many European countries.Not that they are more open-minded in general than an average Hindu, Muslim or Buddhist.

The West being the foundation of Christian faith, I believe a Christian living elsewhere would see a practice like gay marriage, which is unacceptable in their native culture, in a positive light than someone from another religion.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Lodi

That's a very interesting reply. I did some research on Hinduism and Buddhism. And for thousands of years, neither really seem to have a problem with homsexuality. Various hindu-tempels also depict homoromantic love. Yet it is considered taboo nowadays. I always thought this taboo might be because of western influence.
But Christianity in India might be more openminded that Hinduism/Buddhism nowadays? That's a bit sad. Hinduism and Buddhism seem to be a much more tolerant core than Christianity or Islam... but that's the religion itself of course, not the people.

These posts are helpful for me. Thank you all for taking the time to reply. I was born and raised in the Netherlands, so I don't know any better other than 'romance is romance', no matter if it's straight or gay. So if I see romance in Bollywood, I don't see 'romance', not 'straight romance'. It might have been naive of me to think that Indians would see it the same way.


can you describe romance.. so lets say that guys comes into your room.while your are alone - now. if you dont mind describe romance.. if you want i can tell you how my straight romance works.. but this is just out of curiosity... since a lot of iberty is taken in running down convention :) I will not belittle whatever you say nor make any judgement call on that.. so just if you poetically describe romance in your world?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: maha2us

Qwerty, Knowing comes from my own direct and personal experience in my life. Belief comes from what I have learned from others.


Knowing cant come from experience.. only speculations can...knowing requires learning and thinking.. not just experiencing...and here you are talking about somebody else's experiences I guess... (assuming you are not a guy)
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: QuietlyLoud

Most Indians are not broadminded enough to accept a gay couple into their midst.You could probably find a few liberal ones here and there, but that's about it.So forget the idea of public acceptance.


Now the family, after some initial outbursts, may eventually make amendments for the sake of your friend's happiness.May be they would value his happiness more than their sense of being right.
Also, them being Christians is in your favor.Christians seem to be somewhat more tolerant of the customs accepted and practised in the West, as a result of religious influence.


There is nothing broad-minded about being unconventional.. we as largely hindus are more bold than that.. think of it - we worship a god who is a philanderer and polygamist..(Krishna). we have some gods who get drunk and watch Apsaras dance (indra).. we have deceitful Gods who actually cheat Karna and make him vulnerable (Indra)..we have ardhanarishwaras where shiva beomes hermaphrodite!!! . we are more accepting society (mostly hindus) than any other in the world...we just dont find any basis for acceptance of gays.. the day it is found real with good reason other than western world just saying so... we would have matrimonials for them too.. trust me we are largely accepting society.. if it makes some sense.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Qwerty, You say, 'Knowing cant come from experience.. only speculations can...knowing requires learning and thinking.. not just experiencing...and here you are talking about somebody else's experiences I guess... (assuming you are not a guy)'.

Definitely I am not a gay. That doesn't mean I have to talk based on the experience of someone else. Here the experience I am talking is the experience to be in a committed relationship. The relationship rules are the same whether the relationship is between a guy and a girl or between two men or between two women. Gays and lesbians are also human beings and every human being has divine essence within and is full of love and is capable of giving love as well as taking love. Every human being in a committed relationship has the chance to become a more caring, compassionate, gentle, tender and understanding person and bring out love. And he/she becomes more with his/her partner, present and available to his/her partner. These are the points I have known about relationships based on my personal experiences. All I understand is these rules of the relationships are the same for two male relationship also. Definitely as you say one learns and thinks based on his/her experience and develops more and more understanding.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: maha2us

Qwerty, You say, 'Knowing cant come from experience.. only speculations can...knowing requires learning and thinking.. not just experiencing...and here you are talking about somebody else's experiences I guess... (assuming you are not a guy)'.

Definitely I am not a gay. That doesn't mean I have to talk based on the experience of someone else. Here the experience I am talking is the experience to be in a committed relationship. The relationship rules are the same whether the relationship is between a guy and a girl or between two men or between two women. Gays and lesbians are also human beings and every human being has divine essence within and is full of love and is capable of giving love as well as taking love. Every human being in a committed relationship has the chance to become a more caring, compassionate, gentle, tender and understanding person and bring out love. And he/she becomes more with his/her partner, present and available to his/her partner. These are the points I have known about relationships based on my personal experiences. All I understand is these rules of the relationships are the same for two male relationship also. Definitely as you say one learns and thinks based on his/her experience and develops more and more understanding.



Being human beings doesn't validate the propriety of any kind of relationship...- that's one thing...there is s reason guys have a dongle and women have a corresponding usb port for a reason.that also produces results.. which in part proves a reason for their existence...(i mean existence of that dongle and the port) .on a computer can you insert the dongle in the vga or power ports no!! With due apologies to Lodi.. i have to say Gay acts (not lesbian) have no option but to be unhygenic (btw i am romantic veri romantic still i consider french kissing utterly disgusting and unhygenic... french should have known better than that!!!) .(there is no option unless the relationship is platonic - like jay and veeru) .if they find it pleasurable.. thats perversion... if they find it reasonable thats some psychological shortcoming...and on top of that someone calling it romance.. come on give me a break!!! and you saying you have this knowledge from experience... is this ever going to stop.. are are we closing on an apocalype!!! - see i said it.. i abandoned political correctness - now i can run for the president of the US..of A 😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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We are overpopulated as it is. Instead of producing even more children in an unequal world, it would be better to, say, adopt a poor indian orphan and give him a better life.
And there's nothing uhygienic about gay sex, lol. Maybe it's a lack of education on the subject, but homosexuality has always been a natural phenomenon throughout the animal kingdom, and therefore also humans can be homosexual. Homophobia however, is not found anywhere in the animal kingdom except for in humanity. Therefore it is unnatural behavior.

At any rate, me and my boyfriend are not a very sexual couple. It's the romance and love that's central. As far as I know, Buddhism and Hinduism value love greatly.

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