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Posted: 10 years ago
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The article with the following link is an eye opener for me:

http://www.safercampus.org/blog/2011/03/essential-concepts-how-patriarchy-and-rape-culture-hurt-men/

Interestingly based on this article one can understand the situation in our country is really complicated. It is true women are considered submissive to men in patriarchal culture. And more importantly the society becomes a male dominated one. But that way, there are two problems: The first one is maintaining the dominance is something very difficult and that itself can pain a person a lot. And then men dominate over other men also. It happens the father dominates over son and the son over his wife. And it will happen such that, the father will make a choice of a daughter-in-law who helps to extend his dominance instead of letting the son choose his wife. And this can cause problems. Interestingly a dominant person is always forced to be an adult and the submissive person has the previlege to behave like a child. Being an adult always is a strain which could lead to depression.

There was a time, we had polygamy in India. Can we look at this culture in a different angle? I do accept many women sharing a husband is not happy for a woman. But suppose the parents of a girl think this way about a prospective groom who is already married. 'This person is rich and we also see him having desirable qualities and one who takes care of his wife well. Our daughter will be secure in life when she marries him." They could go for him instead of going out for a unknown person and they could also get to a situation when they get no alliance from a rich groom. As another point, when there was polygamy, almost 90% of women were married and only 40% of males were married. Thus we could see there are benefits for a male when we have monogamy.

One can now understand why males suffer in India based on these new laws. These laws are drafted as well as implemented with a patriarchal mindset. The Govt: and the judges assume the role of the patriarchs who protect the women and punish the males based on the female complaints, even if what the female tells are all lies. What is considered by judges is a woman can behave like a child in her in-laws home and her husband and his parents are to be like adults. Already many of us accept that patriarchy has caused many problems for women and women are made to be submissive to the men in a patriarchal society. In that case, how will these laws help the women, when things still operate in the society with a patriarchal mindset? Things are the same as during the time of Ramayana. Those judges and the politicians have to show to be in the good books of the woman and so behave this way.

In this situation if there is marital rape law which is implemented with the same patriarchal mindset definitely it can bring disastrous results only. Definitely this is not going to change anything in the society. A wife has fifty laws by which she can file case against husband but the husband has no law. Yet has it changed the situation of men in the country? One more law is going to help no one.


Edited by maha2us - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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What will then work? We will go no where with any of the top-down approaches. Only bottom-up approach is going to help. The simple reason a man and a woman enters into a relationship is because each person can improve the love within himself or herself. Every person needs care, compassion, gentleness, tenderness and understanding. Interestingly every person has the capability to be caring, compassionate, gentle, tender and understanding also. In a marriage, if it is to work each of the partner has to develop these qualities. In a patriarchal society, a girl gets married to a boy and she looks for care, affection and understanding and what she finds is her husband is really childish, she could find this situation totally painful. He may be 'pulled' by his parents to take care of their childish needs also. These things can bring only disaster. And no authority or elder could help either of the partner. Each human being could be helped when he/she works to improve himself/herself.
Edited by maha2us - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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What do you have to say to this?Eye opener or closure?


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Meenakshi-was-too-bold-for-her-own-good/articleshow/48195695.cms



NEW DELHI: Anand Parbat's Punjabi Basti is no place for grown-up girls. Parents marry them off as soon as they come of age. It's rare to find a girl who has studied beyond Class XII. Meenakshi's circumstances made her an exception. She was 19, but neither she nor her parents were thinking about her marriage. After her mother was diagnosed with TB and her father developed a tumour in the throat, the Class XI student became the family's breadwinner. She was bright, dressed fashionably, and was career-conscious. In the eyes of her neighbours, she was too bold for her own good.

And on Thursday last week, she paid the price for trying to be her own person. Out in the market, a 21-year-old youth, Jai Prakash, who had served time for stalking her, stabbed her maniacally"locals say 35 times"in revenge.

Meenakshi's death rattled the neighbourhood and started a political slanging match, but nobody suffered like her family that was left destitute without her. They, and perhaps the other young girls in the basti who saw a role model in Meenakshi. "She was harassed and finally killed because she refused to get cowed down and tried to run her family," said Reena, her friend and next-door neighbour.

"She was my brother, sister, friend, everything," said Heena, Meenakshi's 23-year-old sister who is married. "We didn't have a brother, so she ran the house besides studying. She was a bright student but when both our parents fell seriously ill she quit studies to work."

Meenakshi had studied till Class XI at the local government school. Heena said things were looking up for her as she had recently qualified for a bus conductor's job with DTC. "She would have got the job. But all her dreams and our parents' hopes are shattered," said Heena, showing pictures of Meenakshi with her school teacher, classmates and her in the family album. "I used to share all my problems with her although she was younger."

The sisters last met on July 14 when Meenakshi visited Heena at her in-laws' house.

In the basti, though, most people TOI spoke to said Meenakshi had brought it upon herself. Some even whispered that the issue was being blown out of proportion. "What else did you expect? Here it's a crime for a girl to aspire to study beyond Class X. Girls who work are branded chaalu (loose)," said a neighbour.

"Girls have to live with taunts, lewd comments and the fear of being sexually harassed if they step out of home," said Reena, who is doing MA from Ignou.

As for the politics playing out over the murder, Heena said, "No amount of compensation can return my sister." She said all parties, including Aam Aadmi Party, "have made an issue out of the murder not to get us justice but for their own ends. Had they been serious about dealing with rapists and murderers, Nirbhaya's killers wouldn't have been alive today."
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Definitely it is painful to see what happened to Meenakshi. The laws are definitely there to bring the culprit to book. There are definitely questions here. Why didn't the national commission for women help her? Does this commission help only the woman who tells her husband harassed her with her crocodile tears?

The Govt: cannot change the society. The society has to evolve bottom-up and this is not easy process and there will be always uneven changes in the society. Neither the Govt: could provide a simple solution in this case. The politicians if at all they do something seems to only create problems as that is the only way they are helped. Why is the Govt: not doing anything to make the judiciary efficient? if the judiciary is efficient, people will have faith in this system and people will get justice at the right time. As long as judiciary is lazy and inefficient, no law is going to help anyone.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Violence, whether inside marriage or outside marriage is just plain violence. And violence should never go unpunished.

If marriage is a so called sacred institution, then a person who violates his wife, violates the "sacred institution" doesn't he?

Just because a woman marries someone doesn't mean that she is his private property, and his to toy around with. The marriage which takes away a womans right to be respected is cannibalism. No matter who you marry, your body and mind belongs to you and no one else, not even your husband has the right to violate you physically, emotionally or mentally.

We call India a developing nation, but I guess the development is backward.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Destiny_rose, There are some good points in what you said. it is true no one is another person's personal property. But that is not the way things happen in India. In a patriarchal society, parents believe son is their private property and this mentality causes many problems. But then if a son tells bad about his parents, every one around him blame him and ridicule him. Who understands him? They may even tell the son has moral duty towards his parents. And this being a point, the son is forced to accept, the parents may try to make a choice of his wife whom they want the son to force to behave in a certain way. The son will be confused. Who counsels him? Only the person who understands him can counsel him. Unless the society evolves in which the marriage is done based on the understanding of each other, things will work properly.

As a point, the law is already there in which the marital rape is covered.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: maha2us

Destiny_rose, There are some good points in what you said. it is true no one is another person's personal property. But that is not the way things happen in India. In a patriarchal society, parents believe son is their private property and this mentality causes many problems. But then if a son tells bad about his parents, every one around him blame him and ridicule him. Who understands him? They may even tell the son has moral duty towards his parents. And this being a point, the son is forced to accept, the parents may try to make a choice of his wife whom they want the son to force to behave in a certain way. The son will be confused. Who counsels him? Only the person who understands him can counsel him. Unless the society evolves in which the marriage is done based on the understanding of each other, things will work properly.

As a point, the law is already there in which the marital rape is covered.



I read this as "son is their private part" and I thought of "Ass" and things just fell together!!! 😆😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: maha2us


Destiny_rose, There are some good points in what you said. it is true no one is another person's personal property. But that is not the way things happen in India. In a patriarchal society, parents believe son is their private property and this mentality causes many problems. But then if a son tells bad about his parents, every one around him blame him and ridicule him. Who understands him? They may even tell the son has moral duty towards his parents. And this being a point, the son is forced to accept, the parents may try to make a choice of his wife whom they want the son to force to behave in a certain way. The son will be confused. Who counsels him? Only the person who understands him can counsel him. Unless the society evolves in which the marriage is done based on the understanding of each other, things will work properly.

As a point, the law is already there in which the marital rape is covered.


Instead of horoscope matching they should conduct a maturity level test of the prospeective couple before giving a permit to marry 😆 That should prevent a number of tragic marriages from taking place.

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